They say you can't lose more than 2lbs a week, but is it true?

Hello,

Well I am an angry fat bloke just like the name says. I was an angry fat child too and I've decided to stop being fat.

Now the common guideline is you can't lose more than 2lbs of fat a week. I want to know if this is really true and why. If you want to answer this thread, please cite references. Don't get angry if you don't like the way I put my post, just don't reply. This should hopefully turn into an informative thread, backed up with sound science not a bunch of half baked ideas from people who just "feel" they are right, or "know because it worked for me and my mate Dave" (too small a sample size).

See, I just had this plan and I want to know how feasible it is. I read on mayoclinic (fairly reliable source) that walking 3.5 miles an hour for 1 hour when you are 200lbs burns 346 calories. I'm about 230 lbs right now and would like to be somewhere between 170 and 180 which should be about right for my body composition. It turns out that there are about 68.5 difference in calories per 40 lbs of body-weight according to that same chart. So 364 calories per hour ain't going to be exactly right, but even if it's half right it will do for the following calculation.

If I decided to hike for 1000 miles at a rate of 12 hours per day I would, a) be able to say, "I went on a 1000 mile hike to stop being a fatty, buy my book and lose weight too" and fill 200 pages with advice saying, "walk about a bit, stop being fat", padded out for the gaps. More importantly, I would b) burn off the following calories:

1000 / 3.5 * 346 = 98857.14 calories.

Seeing as a lb of fat is supposed to be 3500 calories (google it, there are thousands of places saying so), that gives us the following:

98857.14 / 3500 = 28.25 lbs of fat

1000 / 3.5 / 12 = just under 24 days of walking at 12 hours per day

So if I hiked a thousand miles (I walk faster than most people naturally) at 12 hours a day (I'd imagine it hurts real bad for the first week but don't suppose it cripples you) that would mean I'd lose the following lbs of fat a week:

( 346 * 12 * 7 ) / 3500.0 = 8.3 lbs

But apparently losing more than 2lbs of fat a week is supposed to be bad and I've heard it said (word of mouth, I have no idea how true this is) that if you lose more you will be losing muscle. But I don't see how you could lose muscle if you are doing that much extra exercise. What do YOU think would happen, based on your scientific knowledge about the body, and what sources do you base that on?

Oh, I'd stop drinking my 4000 calories a week in alcohol while on my mad hike too; so I'd probably lose more than that. Even if I didn't I'd be around the 200lb mark and miles fitter so who's complaining.

Anyway, what do you think would happen and can you cite something to back it up? I'm tempted to do it as an experiment regardless of what everyone says, but it would be nice to know what current knowledge says before I got started. If you want to put a smart-ass answer like, "you won't make it", you're wrong.

Thx.

-- Angry Fat Bloke
 
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Truth is, diet is key in reducing weight. That being said, exercise is vital, as it predicts whether you will succeed or not.

Basically the rule of thumb is correct, fast weight loss not only doesn't work but makes it harder in the long term which i vey important.

You want sources? well there is plenty out there, i could scan up some neat graphs but i dont have the time, at least for now. The fat cells are complex endocrine cells, disrupt them and they won't be happy..
 
Truth is, diet is key in reducing weight. That being said, exercise is vital, as it predicts whether you will succeed or not.

Basically the rule of thumb is correct, fast weight loss not only doesn't work but makes it harder in the long term which i vey important.

You want sources? well there is plenty out there, i could scan up some neat graphs but i dont have the time, at least for now. The fat cells are complex endocrine cells, disrupt them and they won't be happy..

They can get pissed off! Pffffffft!


I must INSIST to put a Calorie Deficit on your LIST and while the fat cells may RESIST and then get PISSED, they will not be MISSED when they no longer EXIST and your goal will be KISSED!

I like that kind of PISSED!

And there is only room for one being PISSED: ME!

SO! Put up your FIST........and let them get PISSED!

HURRY the Hell UP!

:)

Shake, rattle, and roll.......pull your goal into your soul and make yourself whole!


Stand and deliver! Be PROUD!...........You are the ALMIGHTY!.......The Powerful hungry heart!

Get over it!


;)


Chillen
 
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So what do you think would happen if I did a 1000 mile hike?

There is some evidence according to thread, which cites Dr Kevin Hall from the National Institute for Health as their source, that fat people can lose more fat than lean people per week.

Also, I had planned on taking in 2000-2500 calories a day in a 45/30/25 (carb/protein/fat) ratio on the hike. But the big difference is most people when they go on an aggressive weight loss plan don't suddenly increase their daily calorie expenditure by about 3500 calories a day (or more if you use the backpacking numbers, then it's like 6000 a day extra expenditure). So I would imagine that by keeping calories the same (apart from alcohol, my diets pretty healthy so cut out the beer and nutrition is sorted) and ramping up a huge extra daily calorie demand; my body would have to get most of that from fat.

Any information on what happens if someone suddenly ramps up their calorie outlay by 6000 a day? How could I possibly lose most of that from muscle when I would need the muscle to walk on?

I think I'm just gunna do it and see. Like they did that and some people just burnt off the extra junk calories as heat, while others got fat so people don't all work the same. Which you've no doubt seen yourself too with two people who eat the same having their bodies react differently. Why is there both scientific evidence (i.e. there) and anecdotal evidence (everybody knows someone who eats like a pig and drinks like a fish but stays rake thin, and someone who eats normally and looks like a Zeppelin), yet science continues to act like all bodies work the same way.

Well, I suppose the best way to find out would be to have a proper university measurement of body fat % taken before and after. Least that would answer the question, anecdotally. If I can convince 49 other fatties to do it for "charity", we'd have a statistically significant sample and there'd be more food to send off to the Asian disaster zones. :)
 
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First off most hikers who do 1000+ mile hikes try to average 8 miles/day. You're shooting for 12 in the shape you're in is brutal and I would guess would cause you to quit rather abruptly.

Have you looked into the Appalachian trail? The problem with these kinds of hikes is that you have to take 4-6 months off of work and have at least 3k saved up for spending.

But if you completed it you would be in amazing shape because you'd be active the entire time, even at 8 miles / day, in your free time you would still walk around gathering things or enjoying nature. Also you are forced to eat in moderation while doing these hikes. The two combined will create a great caloric defecit, and starting at 240lbs, I would say over 5lbs / week is very feasible.

But this is not based upon science.
 
I was in the 240 (almost 250) range, and now I'm in the 180 (178~183 in the morning, and about 185~188 at nights depending on how much water and food I ate) range. I was at 160, but I've found that at that weight, I just didn't felt right and I started to gain back weight to a comfortable 180 pounds.

What I can tell you is that if you're serious about losing weight, you don't have to do extreme things such as spend a large amount of money to go on hiking trips. You can spend like 40~50 dollars on races about 3-4 times a year. I am planning to do three races this year, one involves a 13.1 mile run and another involving a 5K run-swim-run and the final one just running a 5k.

Simply look over your diet, determine what you want to do for exercise, and go with it. You don't have to do a freaky 1000 mile hike. If you don't like nature, doing a 1000 mile hike will cause you great stress. If you don't understand compass reading and map reading or how to navigate with stars or how to start a fire only using the magnifying glass on your compass, then you will probably find it extremely hard to do a hike. I'm not saying don't do it, but I am saying don't do it with the sole purpose of losing weight. You might get what you want, but in the end it will probably not be worth the time and money.

All I can say is that I agree with fit4life. Take your angry self outside, and start doing something - anything. Don't sit here and write about it.

To be honest though, sometimes people just need someone to talk to about their weight loss. That is why I highly recommend getting a friend or partner who shares a similar interest. You can report to each other on a daily/weekly basis on your progress. It will help you in sticking with a program. I recommend starting a journal on this site, or perhaps ask a trainer at your gym/school.
 
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