The neverending war: Cardio before or after?
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Dunno if this was intended for me.
There isn't anything wrong with just starting to lift (as long as you start lighter and work yourself up to your work sets, which you should do pretty much regardless of previous alternative warm up)
Dynamic stretching would count as a warm up, you will get the blood flowing, and ready yourself for moving, that is what dynamic stretching does. You will be kicking in the air, doing BW lunges, etc, these will get you warm and ready to train. But don't just do that and then hit your 1RM squat right afterwards.
Philsaigon:
most of those exercises you listed as a warm up could be called dynamic stretches.
You know what? I just flat do it. That is it, and its that simple.
Sometimes I do it after, sometimes before, and just switch it up.
I have read various material on the pros and cons of doing cardio before a workout and the various reasons why one would want to do it after a workout, blah, blah......IMO
Just do it.
Best wishes
Chillen
Sometimes I do it after, sometimes before, and just switch it up.
I have read various material on the pros and cons of doing cardio before a workout and the various reasons why one would want to do it after a workout, blah, blah......IMO
Just do it.
Best wishes
Chillen
No, Chillen, first you have to put up a committee on the subject of cardio before or after weight training, preferably with a sub committee dealing with the type of cardio within which is a sub committee dealing with what type to do before and what type to do after lifting, however, this committee needs only be established should the previously mentioned committee arrive at the conclusion that mixing multiple forms of cardio will give the best benefit. There will have to be discussion, studies conducted and reviewed before voting can take place. The entire process should take no more than about 2 years.
Does one workout when this is going on? LOL......
:yelrotflmao: Classic, Karks.....LOL.
Best wishes
Chillen
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sorry ill clarify better, stretching is the best thing you can do before and after excercising, before prevents injury and after promotes healing and building properly. What I meant was certain kinds of stretching can actually be detrimental depending on the activity. For lifting, you still want to relax the muscle but dont want to go beyond ones passive reflexive point because lifting takes more conc on certain muscle groups at their specific motion at a specific time, lifting is not as repetitive as lets say cardio where your tonically contracting your calves with every step for 30 min, see the difference. When your doing cardio, passive static stretching isnt as much of a problem because going past ones reflexive point would facilitate a proper stretch this is one of the top reasons why new runners get shin splints, have you ever heard of a person doin squats get these? i hope not at least haha. if u need any more clarification just ask i tried fitting this into the best example I could think of. I still recommend the importance of dynamic stretching though especially for lifitng
please explain passive reflex point.
I'd also like to see references to this statement: "before prevents injury and after promotes healing and building properly." If you have any.
I believe the question on whether stretching prevents injury or promotes healing is still up in the air. Research is still being done and we don't know everything about this subject.
I'd also like to see references to this statement: "before prevents injury and after promotes healing and building properly." If you have any.
I believe the question on whether stretching prevents injury or promotes healing is still up in the air. Research is still being done and we don't know everything about this subject.
Weights before cardio.
I'm not going to pretend that this info came from me. Here's what BSL taught me, and I quote:
"Your body has 3 basic forms of stored energy:
1) Creatine-Phosphate/ATP - VERY explosive energy, like dynamite. This happens w/o oxygen, it's anaerobic....the byproduct is lactic acid, that's why you get the burn at intense levels. Stored in muscle tissue. When you are being chased by a Mountain Lion, you're burning this stuff big-time!!!
2) Glycogen - Moderately explosive, like gasoline. This requires oxygen....so it's aerobic. Stored in muscle tissue, liver, etc. When you are running, swimming or pushing hard on the cardio, this is burning.
3) Fat - slow burning energy, like wood burning. Also requires oxygen...so it's aerobic. Stored in fat cells. This is what your body will fall back on as an energy supply....but only when your blood-sugar is low, and this starts to happen after approx. 20 minutes of exercise (or so theory has it).
Weight-lifting is intense exercise, it demands "explosive" fuel...that generally means a blend of Glycogen & Creatine-Phosphate/ATP...not so much fat. Fat burns (can be oxidized/utilized) at a very slow rate...so the saying goes: you can't burn fat fast enough to fuel a muscle contraction when weight-training.
So you wanna do your weight-training when your blood is all full of sugars and use-up all the strong energy. Your muscles need all that energy to perform their work. That's why your not supposed to weight-train for over an hour, cause you only have so much stored up & ready to go..after an hour you may start into catabolism, where your muscles start using surrounding muscle-tissue as energy. As the theory goes.
AFTER weight-training your blood-sugar is low and your body is depleted: now is the time to strike! Your body will be turning to it's reserves...the precious precious FAT. Fat can only burn at a slow rate, so you just need to get into a moderate/slow aerobic exercise and get it on....that's when you can really start melting fat off your body. "
Sounded good to me, so that's what I do. I recently had my trainer advise the same protocal--2 votes!
I'm not going to pretend that this info came from me. Here's what BSL taught me, and I quote:
"Your body has 3 basic forms of stored energy:
1) Creatine-Phosphate/ATP - VERY explosive energy, like dynamite. This happens w/o oxygen, it's anaerobic....the byproduct is lactic acid, that's why you get the burn at intense levels. Stored in muscle tissue. When you are being chased by a Mountain Lion, you're burning this stuff big-time!!!
2) Glycogen - Moderately explosive, like gasoline. This requires oxygen....so it's aerobic. Stored in muscle tissue, liver, etc. When you are running, swimming or pushing hard on the cardio, this is burning.
3) Fat - slow burning energy, like wood burning. Also requires oxygen...so it's aerobic. Stored in fat cells. This is what your body will fall back on as an energy supply....but only when your blood-sugar is low, and this starts to happen after approx. 20 minutes of exercise (or so theory has it).
Weight-lifting is intense exercise, it demands "explosive" fuel...that generally means a blend of Glycogen & Creatine-Phosphate/ATP...not so much fat. Fat burns (can be oxidized/utilized) at a very slow rate...so the saying goes: you can't burn fat fast enough to fuel a muscle contraction when weight-training.
So you wanna do your weight-training when your blood is all full of sugars and use-up all the strong energy. Your muscles need all that energy to perform their work. That's why your not supposed to weight-train for over an hour, cause you only have so much stored up & ready to go..after an hour you may start into catabolism, where your muscles start using surrounding muscle-tissue as energy. As the theory goes.
AFTER weight-training your blood-sugar is low and your body is depleted: now is the time to strike! Your body will be turning to it's reserves...the precious precious FAT. Fat can only burn at a slow rate, so you just need to get into a moderate/slow aerobic exercise and get it on....that's when you can really start melting fat off your body. "
Sounded good to me, so that's what I do. I recently had my trainer advise the same protocal--2 votes!
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Weights before cardio.
I'm not going to pretend that this info came from me. Here's what BSL taught me, and I quote:
"Your body has 3 basic forms of stored energy:
1) Creatine-Phosphate/ATP - VERY explosive energy, like dynamite. This happens w/o oxygen, it's anaerobic....the byproduct is lactic acid, that's why you get the burn at intense levels. Stored in muscle tissue. When you are being chased by a Mountain Lion, you're burning this stuff big-time!!!
2) Glycogen - Moderately explosive, like gasoline. This requires oxygen....so it's aerobic. Stored in muscle tissue, liver, etc. When you are running, swimming or pushing hard on the cardio, this is burning.
3) Fat - slow burning energy, like wood burning. Also requires oxygen...so it's aerobic. Stored in fat cells. This is what your body will fall back on as an energy supply....but only when your blood-sugar is low, and this starts to happen after approx. 20 minutes of exercise (or so theory has it).
Weight-lifting is intense exercise, it demands "explosive" fuel...that generally means a blend of Glycogen & Creatine-Phosphate/ATP...not so much fat. Fat burns (can be oxidized/utilized) at a very slow rate...so the saying goes: you can't burn fat fast enough to fuel a muscle contraction when weight-training.
So you wanna do your weight-training when your blood is all full of sugars and use-up all the strong energy. Your muscles need all that energy to perform their work. That's why your not supposed to weight-train for over an hour, cause you only have so much stored up & ready to go..after an hour you may start into catabolism, where your muscles start using surrounding muscle-tissue as energy. As the theory goes.
AFTER weight-training your blood-sugar is low and your body is depleted: now is the time to strike! Your body will be turning to it's reserves...the precious precious FAT. Fat can only burn at a slow rate, so you just need to get into a moderate/slow aerobic exercise and get it on....that's when you can really start melting fat off your body. "
Sounded good to me, so that's what I do. I recently had my trainer advise the same protocal--2 votes!
Just some thoughts..
*Glycolysis can also be anaerobic.
*Not weight training for over an hour has to do with hormone levels, not energy.
*Remember that if you do enough cardio with low blood sugar and depleted glycogen stores you can compromise muscle tissue.
I am usually in the gym for an hour and a half, I have a decent amount of rest between sets because I like to have a bit of a social at the gym aswell.
I do a split routine, is it bad for me to be in the gym for over an hour then? Will my gains come to a halt?
not if your well fuelled,after a certain time (depends on your conditioning) the body will release cortisol,that is when it uses protein as fuel,as long as your diet is bang on dont worry,and you could also sip on a carb drink while training,but as you say most of your hour is talking
.i like to do cardio after my workouts and on my off days.
1) being that i hit the weights hard and feel i need most of my juice for them.
2) squatting would be detremental with cardio before imo
3) next days runs suck after squats lmao
btw no reference to roids haha
1) being that i hit the weights hard and feel i need most of my juice for them.
2) squatting would be detremental with cardio before imo
3) next days runs suck after squats lmao
btw no reference to roids haha
of course stretching is not bad before running, anyone who says that needs their head looking at. It is not recommended to stretch before lifting however that is not to say if your looking to gain muscle stretching will get in your way, i know some failry big MMA guys who spend hours stretching and it hasn't done them any harm