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Why your doctor said dont go any lower? is this a serious question or are you testing us ;)

Well obviously you have to have some body fat, after all, organs such as the heart rely soley on fats for energy.

I am goanna die!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh.....Just kidding.....:)

The question just intrigued me that's all, so I asked her about it.

Seriously, though why would you think she would say that?


And, she is a tough ole' doctor too. I love the crap out of her. She has this suck it up attitude, and I adore it. She is in your face with the truth as she sees it, medically (but in a passionate and professional sort of way). She is very popular in the little town she practices in, people come from many states to make appointments.

Any event.....ROCK ON! MATT!

I think this was the first time you posted to the COL! :beerchug:



ROCK ON!


Chillen
 
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With the upper/lower split posts, I need to also add that my family and I have two Family "airborne shuffle" Runs per week, and we are presently entering number 7 this coming Sunday.

Of all the training during the week, I enjoy this one the most.



Best wishes to all

Chillen
 
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Nah its not the first ;) haha.

So you asked her, what did she say?

I think it basically refers back to essential fat and storage fat.

storage fat - Which is stored and needed for basic metabolism and exercise. After all at rest your mostly burning fat, and a certain % of fat in exercise. Using fat in exercise prolongs someones endurance until fatigue sets in as it is sparing glycogen.

Essential fat - Are contained in orgains such as bone marrow, muscle, skin, nervous system, heart, liver etc.

So obvisouly you need a handy % of fat to provide all these things, so its probably best if you stayed around the 8% mark ;).
 
Nah its not the first ;) haha.

So you asked her, what did she say?

I think it basically refers back to essential fat and storage fat.

storage fat - Which is stored and needed for basic metabolism and exercise. After all at rest your mostly burning fat, and a certain % of fat in exercise. Using fat in exercise prolongs someones endurance until fatigue sets in as it is sparing glycogen.

Essential fat - Are contained in orgains such as bone marrow, muscle, skin, nervous system, heart, liver etc.

So obvisouly you need a handy % of fat to provide all these things, so its probably best if you stayed around the 8% mark ;).

Basically, in her opinion, I am about 4 percent from being borderline unhealthy in terms of BF levels (or around 4%, considering me, in her opinion). This is to the point of what she meant. She didnt want me working any--further in that direction.

She just cemented what I believed all along. While fat may be undesirable for some, it is tissue essential to health and well-being (at appropriate personal levels.).

Your post is exactly the post I wanted to see from a member and the reason I had asked the question in the first place.

I lost a pound in the last three weeks, and .05% BF. So I dipped below 161 (or my goal weight), and I am presently at 160. This is a rather interesting comparison. I deem this a minor set back, as I wanted to maintain 161lbs, but if I wanted I could get this pound back rather easily, just tweaking my calories and nutrition (and give a small amount of time), so its not that big of deal, really.

I expect the loss to be slow (why would I be in a hurry anyway?), with my BF being so low. My body is going to fight me fiercely for one of the major items it covets the most, but I am much tougher, I promise.

To this very day, with all the sweat, blood, and tears, I have given in the gym and in my diet, there is no greater feeling I get, when I slip on a pair of (29" to 30") blue jeans, and a large shirt. (I used to wear 38" to 40"). All the work was worthwhile.

Thanks for taking the time to post your response, Matt.




Chillen
 
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I will try to get the "Thoughts of the day" Posts more regular (as in the past) hopefully this coming week. I have been so busy with work, training, and other personal responsibities, it has taken alot of personal time.

If I had a forum partner to assist with "Thoughts of the day" posts when I couldnt this would be IDEAL! :)

I have asked before, but no one has responded through PM's or to COL posts.
So, I thought I would ask one more time.

Is there any forum member that would like to make "thoughts of the day" posts, in the event I can not? I will let you know in advance. The "thoughts of the day" are important to me and this would assist a great deal.

Let me know


Thanks!


Chillen
 
What have I been missing in here? The Chillout Log is a pretty happening place. Do you just post up your difficulties and Chillen replies w/some helpful words? I've been lacking motivation for a while. I'm just starting to get back on track. I've been a member of this site for a while, just haven't visited in a while. But, now i'm back....LOL!:D I could probably use some help with how to eat properly. Like how much protein/carbs/fats and all that good stuff.
 
February 24th, 2008: Thoughts for the Day (1)

Our ideas, like orange-plants, spread out in proportion to the size of the box which imprisons the roots.

(Edward Bulwer Lytton)

Sometimes its not how smart you are, nor how gifted you are that matters the most; its whether you imprisoned your personal roots from spreading and growing.
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Work With the Things You Have for Honorable Success!

The question for each man to settle is not what he would do if he had means, time, influence and educational advantages; the question is what he will do with the things he has.

The moment a young man ceases to dream or to bemoan his lack of opportunities and resolutely looks his conditions in the face, and resolves to change them, he lays the corner-stone of a solid and honorable success.



(Hamilton Wright Mabie)

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The Best Way Out is Always Through

(Robert Frost)

Problem Solving. In life we are always dealing with, creating, or solving problems that come up, and within diet and training it should be as persistant as we pursuit it in life.

A problem is simply the difference between what you have and what you want. It may be a matter of getting something, of getting rid of something, of avoiding something, or of getting to know what you want.

You must know five things to win:

Victory comes from knowing when to attack and when to avoid battle.

Victory comes from correctly using large and small forces. (within you and around you)

Victory comes from everyone sharing and discussing goals.

Victory comes from finding opportunities in problems.

Victory comes from having a capable commander (within you) and the government (realizing your true capabilities).

(Modified by Chillen)

Problem Solving Links:







If you open up your perception enough and modify certain things you read to see if the modified version of what you read can work within your situation, you would have learned one of the greatest and monumental achievements toward your diet and fitness success.

(Chillen)

One of the MAIN reasons I am successful, is due to knowing how to "manipulate perception" of things learned and how to apply this "manipulated perception" to "strengths and weaknesses". This can save a ton of sorrow and can create much happiness.


When you arm yourself in the circumference of knowledge applicable to your goal, and partake in goal driven "perception of this knowledge" beyond just the basics, one can implement and apply this different perception to resolve problems that develop and create some freedom of the self at the same time.

(Chillen)

Pain is a powerful force, and takes on many faces. It can bring you up and bring you down, but it’s not the pain that causes this teeter-totter, it’s the application of your mind and how one uses it to deal with it that is the ultimate decision maker.

(Chillen)

Have your mind WIDE OPEN, and allow progress in your training to be a BASE for your motivation to bread INTO other aspects of your life, and use your brain to bring in differing aspects of inspiration to keep you motivated when your lifestyle environment wants to sand blast your internal will and desire.

Really brotha and sista's its about consistancy and persistence. I have never done anything more than basic and slight advanced basics application within my diet and fitness, and in reality-----THIS IS ALL IT TAKES.



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Acquisition of Wisdom

The First Step in the Acquisition of Wisdom is: Silence

The Second: Listening

The Third: Memory

The Fourth: Practice

The Fifth: Teaching Others

(Solomon Ibn Gabriol)

There is much wisdom to be learned through the mistakes we make. It is the fool who does not.

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The only journey is the journey within

(Rainer Maria Rilke)

I have made many posts making this statement: True POWER is application of Wisdom and learning how to appropriately--MASTER YOURSELF.

(Chillen)

You dont have to be the master of all in life, but if you learn to Master Yourself in the things you are trying to master, I promise you will find more wisdom in the attempt.

(Chillen)

Have a plan of action. Most importantly, blend diet and fitness within your life as you would other important values, and you will win more than you lose.

(Chillen)

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Yes, know thyself: in great concerns or small,
Be this thy care, for this, my friend, is all.

(Juvenal)

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In learning to know other things, and other minds, we become more intimately acquainted with ourselves, and are to ourselves better worth knowing.

(Philip Gilbert Hamilton)

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What progress, you ask, have I made? I have begun to be a friend to myself.

(Hecato, Greek philosopher)

The mind can be a friend and/or foe, in either case you are in control of variances in the equation.

(Chillen)

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Change and growth take place when a person has risked himself and dares to become involved with experimenting with his own life.

(Herbert Otto)

Put this in proper perspective and ROCK ON! :)

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If we all did the things we are capable of, we would astound ourselves.

(Thomas Edison)

YEP! This is true.

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Every ceiling, when reached, becomes a floor, upon which one walks as a matter of course and prescriptive right.

(Aldous Huxley)

OKay, see if you guys are actually reading the "Thoughts for the day". What is this person trying to get across in your view. I want well thought out posts on this........ROCK WITH IT.........

(Chillen)

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ROCK ON! Everyone!

Hope your day was just plain fantastic!

I sincerely hope that no pain or sorrow entered your life today :)


Best wishes to all,


Chillen
 
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Chillen's Family Run

Chillen's Family Run 7 (5 and 6, I didnt post)

Following my wifes lead this afternoon, my family and I drove out to a local mall which marks approximately 2 miles from where my son Dustin lives in a nearby duplex. We all got out of our car, while the friend of my son Dustin drove the car to the duplex.

We (myself, my wife, and two sons) then began jogging to toward the duplex on the shoulder of the highway. My wife made it the entire way! SHE ROCKS! :)

When we got there, we had one of my favorite home made soups. REAL low sodium Chicken Broth, with whole chunks of chicken with parmasen. This was just fantastic!

Then we played some games on the X-Box 360, and watched some movies.

Had a good time.

We are 9 miles into our 22 mile family run, in tribute to my wife's father.


EDIT: Off to bed, Have to get up around 5A (cardio), then off to work.......Have a great night! :)


Best wishes everyone,


Chillen
 
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Again, I think you have to get a grip on reality and cut yourself some slack a bit. I think you're being much too hard on yourself quite frankly.

You are normal.

I think you're ' spot on ' - I think there are a heck of a lot more guys out there who'd like to have a muscular mesomorph type physique ( close to what you have now ) than some of these lean skinny guys you see. In other words, you should count your blessings BSL....Maybe I'm not following correctly , but didn't you say " I think I'm taking-in about 2,200 to 2,800 calories per day " ?

I think you're right. Absolutely spot-on right. In reality I've traversed 80%-85% of my goal and yet I'm sitting here like a duffus looking at the last 20% and complaining. Maybe I expected results to happen faster, perhaps I've seen too many beautiful pictures in magazines, or more likely the change happened so gradually that I don't feel (and therefore won't grant myself) the achievement. I've lost weight, dumped body-fat, replaced my waredrobe twice and yet I don't feel a bit different then I was before I started this program. I still find myself regarding myself as fat. In my head, evidently, I'm a prisoner of a lifetime of being heavy. Exit Wrangell, enter Chillen.....

I'll just have to focus on what I have achieved, perhaps it just takes the mind a bit longer to catch-up to the body? ;)

Cause if that's the case - and you're burning about 2,000 calories on those ' spinning ' days ( as you noted above ), that almost puts you in sort of a starvation mode for the rest of those days doesn't it ?

My daily resting metabolism (RMR?) was measured at about 2,340 calories. Add to that the calories burned with spin/swim and I should be taking-in about 3,800 calories on those days (500 less then maintanance). On my more active days I do take in more like 3,200 calories...my calories do fluctuate based on daily activity. More active days get more calories, less active days, less calories.


Now, as for light cardio, remember, even though light cardio may burn a higher proportion of fat ( i.e simply doing no exercise at all yields the highest proportion btw :) ) more intense cardio will burn a greater volume of fat. Don't confuse the proportion of fat being burned with the volume of fat being burned. Doing cardio at lower intensities does burn a greater proportion of fat but it'll burn less fat ( i,e volume of fat ) than if you do cardio at higher intensities. As your cardo intensity goes up, the total number of calories burned for a given unit of time will also increase.

I totally & thoroughly understand this point...so few people do and it's a cornerstone of fitness misunderstanding. You explained it very well.

Sounds good ...I agree that ' some ' protein is helpful after a hard cardio session, but if it were me, I think I'd focus a bit more on the carbs vs. protein in my emphasis of post workout macro nutrient proportions...something like a 4:1 carb / protein gram ratio...but again, that's just me. Conversely, after a hard weight training session, the focus might be more on protein than carbs.

I think it's on par. 2 scoops protien powder, 1 cup water, 1 cup mixed fruit juices, 1/2-cup lite soy milk. About 4:1. I sip a bit before spin, 1/2 after spin, the rest as I swim.

You seem to be sending mixed messages. Cause to me, after reading your many posts ...it really seems to me like your slow progress is actually driving you nuts. You seem very very frustrated and disheartened IMO. Am I right ?

You're right.....sorry.

When I'm feeling "fat & failing" I get into a dark mood and feel like a condemned person. I complain bitterly of this unfair genetic predisposition where I fight like heck and can't get anywhere.....it really feels that way.

But then I come out of it, realize I've made progress, am making progress and realize it's just a matter of time.

Would it suffice to explain it as my "getting in touch with my feminine side"? ;)



You have a real advantage in that you've got great assets ( i.e trainers, nutritionists etc. ) to draw upon. I would exploit that reality. I'd wipe the slate clean and turn my entire training - 100% - over to them on a short term trial basis ( i.e 3 - 6 months ).

What is that for a top shelf trainer 5X a week ? Maybe only about $500 - $1,000 a week ? That's not really that much..

My trainers & nutrionist keep telling me I'm doing great...but I can't seem to let myself believe it or accept it.

I think you hit it on the head with the grand perspective: I've got to stop looking and comparing myself to others. Most the people around me who have lost more overall weight (and make me comparatively feel like I'm not doing as well as I should) are also people with shrunken chest, small arms and non-athletic bodies. Even those people on "Biggest Loser" come out looking scrawny. What I'm doing is more then just losing fat; my swimming, spinning, riding, racquetball and weight-lifting routine has developed me into something above average. You're right; few people will do 2 spinning classes AND then swim a mile. I can out-lift most people in the gym and I can ride strong for 3 hours. This capability doesn't come with a svelt frame. I should count my blessings and grant myself the pride of knowing I've done well.

As for hiring into a top-level trainer...I don't have anything specific I train for, I just wanna lose weight and look great. I think I'll just keep at it; unless progress stops I don't think there's a problem.

With my situation I was fixed on getting below 200 pounds. Given the muscle I've stacked-on with my biking & swimming and weight-training, that's just not going to be practical. I was last weighed at 228 pounds and I'm confident my true body-fat% is around 12.5-14%. Given that I'm 5' 8" can you imagine how non-svelt I am? Most guys at 5' 8" are looking to weigh about 167-170...if I got to 200 with my current muscle-mass, I'd be at like 5% body-fat or less. Again, not practical.

I can't say this will fix things, but it'll certainly make me think twice before slipping into another dark "I'm not getting anywhere" mood. Thanks again for helping me think this through!!!
 
4:30 to 5:00 AM Cardio 30 minutes

Today is my Upper Split with my new routine. I began with Cardio this morning, will do my Upper Routine after work, and then a later session of cardio in the later half of the evening.

Today, is refeed day. I eat over maintenance (+500c). I tend to feel so much leaner the following day, after refeed day. This feeling still suprises me to this day, though I know whats happening. I love it when my body is much more tolerant to excess calories, he, he. ;)

I love waking up in the morning anticipating cardio; though I hate it while I am in the process of doing it. :) Its quite the contrast in internal feelings I have fought for many months, and win. I love how it sets the tone for the rest of the day and just revs for me up. I get a good response from cardio in many ways other than the obvious.

I tend to view my battles with fitness like one involved in a prize fight. Sometimes its not only physical fitness that makes one win. ITS HEART. And getting up with this heart, and though you may lost the round, you win the fight. I have won many fights, and will always have heart.

Though running with the family is more taxing (in terms of supporting my body weight) I get a more out of my bike in the personal sense. I wish I would have learned in my prime what I have learned about my body in the last two and half years. Man, it could have been something. But, I can teach my children, and there is no better satisfaction than this.

Always have heart, and get back up, after you have been knocked down.


You guys are the best. Be happy, and the best wishes to you.

Chillen
 
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Hey Chillen! Thanks so much for taking the time to put all of this together. You are very informative and I appreciate your patience in spreading knowledge. I have a lot to learn, that's for sure. I still have a lot to read on the links you posted, but I read a lot so far. So, I'll be popping in and out of your wonderful Chillout Log! Thanks again!!:D

Our ideas, like orange-plants, spread out in proportion to the size of the box which imprisons the roots.

(Edward Bulwer Lytton)

Sometimes its not how smart you are, nor how gifted you are that matters the most; its whether you imprisoned your personal roots from spreading and growing.
==========================================================
Work With the Things You Have for Honorable Success!

The question for each man to settle is not what he would do if he had means, time, influence and educational advantages; the question is what he will do with the things he has.

The moment a young man ceases to dream or to bemoan his lack of opportunities and resolutely looks his conditions in the face, and resolves to change them, he lays the corner-stone of a solid and honorable success.



(Hamilton Wright Mabie)

==========================================================

The Best Way Out is Always Through

(Robert Frost)

Problem Solving. In life we are always dealing with, creating, or solving problems that come up, and within diet and training it should be as persistant as we pursuit it in life.

A problem is simply the difference between what you have and what you want. It may be a matter of getting something, of getting rid of something, of avoiding something, or of getting to know what you want.

You must know five things to win:

Victory comes from knowing when to attack and when to avoid battle.

Victory comes from correctly using large and small forces. (within you and around you)

Victory comes from everyone sharing and discussing goals.

Victory comes from finding opportunities in problems.

Victory comes from having a capable commander (within you) and the government (realizing your true capabilities).

(Modified by Chillen)

Problem Solving Links:







If you open up your perception enough and modify certain things you read to see if the modified version of what you read can work within your situation, you would have learned one of the greatest and monumental achievements toward your diet and fitness success.

(Chillen)

One of the MAIN reasons I am successful, is due to knowing how to "manipulate perception" of things learned and how to apply this "manipulated perception" to "strengths and weaknesses". This can save a ton of sorrow and can create much happiness.


When you arm yourself in the circumference of knowledge applicable to your goal, and partake in goal driven "perception of this knowledge" beyond just the basics, one can implement and apply this different perception to resolve problems that develop and create some freedom of the self at the same time.

(Chillen)

Pain is a powerful force, and takes on many faces. It can bring you up and bring you down, but it’s not the pain that causes this teeter-totter, it’s the application of your mind and how one uses it to deal with it that is the ultimate decision maker.

(Chillen)

Have your mind WIDE OPEN, and allow progress in your training to be a BASE for your motivation to bread INTO other aspects of your life, and use your brain to bring in differing aspects of inspiration to keep you motivated when your lifestyle environment wants to sand blast your internal will and desire.

Really brotha and sista's its about consistancy and persistence. I have never done anything more than basic and slight advanced basics application within my diet and fitness, and in reality-----THIS IS ALL IT TAKES.



==========================================================
Acquisition of Wisdom

The First Step in the Acquisition of Wisdom is: Silence

The Second: Listening

The Third: Memory

The Fourth: Practice

The Fifth: Teaching Others

(Solomon Ibn Gabriol)

There is much wisdom to be learned through the mistakes we make. It is the fool who does not.

==========================================================

The only journey is the journey within

(Rainer Maria Rilke)

I have made many posts making this statement: True POWER is application of Wisdom and learning how to appropriately--MASTER YOURSELF.

(Chillen)

You dont have to be the master of all in life, but if you learn to Master Yourself in the things you are trying to master, I promise you will find more wisdom in the attempt.

(Chillen)

Have a plan of action. Most importantly, blend diet and fitness within your life as you would other important values, and you will win more than you lose.

(Chillen)

==========================================================

Yes, know thyself: in great concerns or small,
Be this thy care, for this, my friend, is all.

(Juvenal)

==========================================================

In learning to know other things, and other minds, we become more intimately acquainted with ourselves, and are to ourselves better worth knowing.

(Philip Gilbert Hamilton)

==========================================================
What progress, you ask, have I made? I have begun to be a friend to myself.

(Hecato, Greek philosopher)

The mind can be a friend and/or foe, in either case you are in control of variances in the equation.

(Chillen)

==========================================================
Change and growth take place when a person has risked himself and dares to become involved with experimenting with his own life.

(Herbert Otto)

Put this in proper perspective and ROCK ON! :)

==========================================================

If we all did the things we are capable of, we would astound ourselves.

(Thomas Edison)

YEP! This is true.

==========================================================
Every ceiling, when reached, becomes a floor, upon which one walks as a matter of course and prescriptive right.

(Aldous Huxley)

OKay, see if you guys are actually reading the "Thoughts for the day". What is this person trying to get across in your view. I want well thought out posts on this........ROCK WITH IT.........

(Chillen)

==========================================================

Trouble Shooting and Chillen in various Information:














==========================================================

ROCK ON! Everyone!

Hope your day was just plain fantastic!

I sincerely hope that no pain or sorrow entered your life today :)


Best wishes to all,


Chillen
 
Hey Chillen! Thanks so much for taking the time to put all of this together. You are very informative and I appreciate your patience in spreading knowledge. I have a lot to learn, that's for sure. I still have a lot to read on the links you posted, but I read a lot so far. So, I'll be popping in and out of your wonderful Chillout Log! Thanks again!!:D

Thank you, Lillian :)

How was your day today?

If it SUCKED I hope you DUCKED and motivation STRUCK like a TRUCK!

I wish you much fitness LUCK!

HE, he.

ROCK IT!


Chillen
 
Hey chillen, one of the best things about being back on the forum is getting to read the inspirational messages in your log once again.

Thank you for welcoming me back yesterday.

The spicy health hen says, "Rock On!"
 
I think you're right. Absolutely spot-on right. In reality I've traversed 80%-85% of my goal and yet I'm sitting here like a duffus looking at the last 20% and complaining. Maybe I expected results to happen faster, perhaps I've seen too many beautiful pictures in magazines, or more likely the change happened so gradually that I don't feel (and therefore won't grant myself) the achievement.

Quite possibly.

The trap a lot of guys can fall into is, the more you embrace, yearn, idolize, validate, internalize - whatever you want to call it - those " beautiful pictures " you see of ' buffed bods ' in papers, magazine ads / covers etc., the more likely you'll be dissatisfied with your own body IMO. If you continually buy into to all this media hype of what you ' ought ' to look like as a man, then you run the increased risk of developing a totally distorted and negative view of your own looks that, in turn, will only serve as jet fuel for feelings of anxiety and or depression. And then, your self-esteem is going to take as hit as a result. In my books, if someone's self-esteem depends almost entirely on something as shallow as their appearance, then they've got some real ' issues ' to sort out IMO.

You've really got to try and avoid measuring yourself against these alleged ' ideal ' body types you see in the media, in this forum etc. IMO. And instead ( at least for now ) , rather than focusing on some ' ideal ' body type you want, try to focus on what you don't want or don't like seeing in the mirror

I've lost weight, dumped body-fat, replaced my waredrobe twice and yet I don't feel a bit different then I was before I started this program.

Regardless of whether you ' feel ' different or not, the proof is in the pudding - i.e look at the objective evidence you noted above - you in fact are " different ".

Facts don't lie.

Nonetheless, despite these facts, your perception of yourself ( i.e body image ) is still distorted for some reason, as I noted earlier there still seems to be some " distorted and negative view of your own looks "

I still find myself regarding myself as fat.

Objective evidence indicates you are somewhere between 11% and 15% body fat ( a healthy normal level - if not better than ' normal ' ), so in reality, you're not fat at all.

In my head, evidently, I'm a prisoner of a lifetime of being heavy.

Changing a lifetime of self perceptions about yourself and your body image likely can't be changed for the better just overnight.

Give yourself some time to adjust to and accept the ' new you '.

Exit Wrangell, enter Chillen....

Actually, all you need is you, you don't need Wrangell OR Chillen IMO.

I'll just have to focus on what I have achieved, perhaps it just takes the mind a bit longer to catch-up to the body? ;)

Couldn't agree more

My daily resting metabolism (RMR?) was measured at about 2,340 calories. Add to that the calories burned with spin/swim and I should be taking-in about 3,800 calories on those days (500 less then maintanance).

You said you're you're burning about 2,000 calories on those ' spinning ' days, and your RMR is 2300 ......for a total of 4,300. To this 4,300, you should also add a ' lifestyle ' component to get your proper maintenance level - let's say ' lifestyle ' is 500 calories or the same as your 500 deficit....so between the two, that's a wash.

So your maintenance level total is a net of 4,300 calories a day but you said earlier you only take in about 2,800 calories ( max ) a day and that is where I got hung up.

On my more active days I do take in more like 3,200 calories...my calories do fluctuate based on daily activity. More active days get more calories, less active days, less calories.

Taking in 3,200 still seems a bit light, even on your more ' active days ' where you burn 4,300+ calories

I totally & thoroughly understand this point...so few people do and it's a cornerstone of fitness misunderstanding. You explained it very well.

Then I think the mistake is mine. Maybe I misunderstood your comments when you said ......

" I imagine my blood-sugars are low and I can wease some nice fat-burn if I engage in some low-intensity cardio " .

" hit the elliptical, - I start off pretty mellow and just do a light/medium intensity 35 minute routine - it's just to take advantage of some prime fat-burning opportunity "​

....which made me think you thought that light cardio was the optimal way to burn fat...which of course it isn't.

I think it's on par. 2 scoops protien powder, 1 cup water, 1 cup mixed fruit juices, 1/2-cup lite soy milk. About 4:1. I sip a bit before spin, 1/2 after spin, the rest as I swim

Well, I think most protein shakes are about 30 +/- grams ( ? ) of protein per serving . And a cup of fruit juice ( like OJ ) is about 25 grams of carbs or so.

So, I wouldn't put your carbs to protein ratio at 4:1 ...but probably closer to
1.5 : 1 .......or 2: 1 at best.


You're right.....sorry.

No need to apologize.:)


When I'm feeling "fat & failing" I get into a dark mood and feel like a condemned person. I complain bitterly of this unfair genetic predisposition where I fight like heck and can't get anywhere.....it really feels that way.

But then I come out of it, realize I've made progress, am making progress and realize it's just a matter of time.

We all go through those sorts of roller coaster rides of emotions from time to time.

My trainers & nutrionist keep telling me I'm doing great...but I can't seem to let myself believe it or accept it.

Then you should take a serious look at yourself and try and find out ' why ' you can't readily accept objective evidence and professionals' opinions ( about yourself ) at face value.

If you've got a ' locked in ' distorted and negative view of your own appearance that you can't seem to shake, then - who knows - perhaps you may have a very mild body image disorder.

I think you hit it on the head with the grand perspective: I've got to stop looking and comparing myself to others.

Exactly right.

Stop using other people as benchmarks by which to judge or criticize yourself - i.e STOP idolizing other people and putting them up on pedestals .


Most the people around me who have lost more overall weight (and make me comparatively feel like I'm not doing as well as I should) are also people with shrunken chest, small arms and non-athletic bodies. Even those people on "Biggest Loser" come out looking scrawny.

There you go ! Good insight !


What I'm doing is more then just losing fat; my swimming, spinning, riding, racquetball and weight-lifting routine has developed me into something above average.

' Way above ' average IMO.

You're right; few people will do 2 spinning classes AND then swim a mile. I can out-lift most people in the gym and I can ride strong for 3 hours.

I keep telling you...you're better than you think you are....don't sell yourself short ....your workouts are very demanding and not something everyone on this forum would even think of trying.

This capability doesn't come with a svelt frame.

Again, who says you need a svelt frame ?

I should count my blessings and grant myself the pride of knowing I've done well.

Wrong.

You've done EXTREMELY WELL.


With my situation I was fixed on getting below 200 pounds. Given the muscle I've stacked-on with my biking & swimming and weight-training, that's just not going to be practical. I was last weighed at 228 pounds and I'm confident my true body-fat% is around 12.5-14%. Given that I'm 5' 8" can you imagine how non-svelt I am? Most guys at 5' 8" are looking to weigh about 167-170...if I got to 200 with my current muscle-mass, I'd be at like 5% body-fat or less. Again, not practical.

I can't say this will fix things, but it'll certainly make me think twice before slipping into another dark "I'm not getting anywhere" mood. Thanks again for helping me think this through!!!

I will try and address this last point in some detail tomorrow.
 
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