The 6 worst pieces of weight-loss advice

[richielancair]

I'm relaxed, so I'm quite perplexed by what could be WOWing you.

You do seem very relaxed. What was I thinking?

No doubt about it you definitely can use a search engine. GREAT!

At first I thought this was a waste of time.

I thought about it and tried to find the positive. Well you did try.

You've got to be kidding me. I'm sure in your world this seems like you're destroying me. You are mentally equipped beyond any to deal with in depth conversation about the subject at hand.

In my world, I'm NOT trying to destroy you sounds like you need a hug. Okay you have proved I'm an idiot and you are brilliant. You win. No problem. Thanks for pointing that out to me. You are the subject matter expert on metabolism.

Instead of the linked to, copy and pasted jibberish, distill this down for me, please. Couple of paragraphs writing in your words this time. Like normal people speak.

Include YOUR ideas, YOUR hopes, YOUR dreams, YOUR desires. Keep it simple for the idiots on this site like me. Include your experiences, your case studies, your knowledge and wisdom. Have it flow from one logical idea to the next this time.

The true sign of genius is someone that can take a difficult subject and explain it to a common person. That would impress the hell out me alot more than disjointed non descrip words copied from some doctors website.

I already gave you my thoughts. You remember them, they were so easy to understand you made fun of them and linked them. Now it's your turn to share. I'm sure you have some knowledge on the subject. I will bet you will surprise yourself.

I've seen some of your posts. Bright, articulate, insightful well thought out. I know you can do this. Dude you could get the Nobel for this. Seriously, Einstein was a patent clerk. You just never know where life will lead you. Where opportunity comes from.

It will take some effort from you though.

Take some time get your notes together, use your expert knowledge, distill this down to two paragraphs 80-100 words. Use normal language spend the weekend on the search engines pulling info to help you. Make it like an executive summary. Not like a term paper.

1) How do YOU think metabolism works?

It would be great if the people of this site had access to your knowledge on this subject. In a manner that is easily understood. Something we can put to use in our lives. If we have questions then you can start the search engine links. Let's hold off on them until we get your basic ideas in a form that someone can comprehend.

I highly doubt I'm going to start taking advice from you.

I hope this is a promise.

 

[Dave_C]

iv been member of this forum for less than 12 hours, i hope this isnt the general kind of stuff ill be hearing from the posts. considering this is supposed to be a place to help each other loose weight it seems be the cause of alot of stress, maybe you should both take a time out....and BREATH

 

[Steve]

I agree, this isn't working.

Nothing good can come from this from this point forward.

 

[edco76]

iv been member of this forum for less than 12 hours, i hope this isnt the general kind of stuff ill be hearing from the posts. considering this is supposed to be a place to help each other loose weight it seems be the cause of alot of stress, maybe you should both take a time out....and BREATH

Hi dave and welcome. I can assure you that it is not the usual banter around here. We usually get along quite well and try our best to help and support one another. However as you can see in this thread, anytime you are dealing with complex (and sometimes unproven) physiology and biology an argument will break out. The weight loss community has a lot of oposing ideas and philosophies and sometimes passionate people butt heads. No biggy. It is the interwebz after all. Stick around, I am sure it will grow on you.

 

[Dave_C]

Hi dave and welcome. I can assure you that it is not the usual banter around here. We usually get along quite well and try our best to help and support one another. However as you can see in this thread, anytime you are dealing with complex (and sometimes unproven) physiology and biology an argument will break out. The weight loss community has a lot of oposing ideas and philosophies and sometimes passionate people butt heads. No biggy. It is the interwebz after all. Stick around, I am sure it will grow on you.

not a problem for me, was just thinking stress causes weight gain

 

[edco76]

not a problem for me, was just thinking stress causes weight gain

Very true. We should all do 10 burpees now to counteract the stress we have been subjugated to.

 

[Dave_C]

Very true. We should all do 10 burpees now to counteract the stress we have been subjugated to.

lol true

 

[spartacus26]

*in a half lord of the fishes posture*

Finally, some calm. All right, big breath out whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Much better.

Another bad dieting tactic: don't keep trying to do a diet that's not working for you. Even if you're sure it's good diet (nutritious, well-balanced, doesn't leave you hungry, etc.). I'm having a lot of success since I finally gave up trying to prove Weight Watchers works and started counting calories (please don't throw traffic cones at me noncounters, I'm mathematically minded).

 

[edco76]

*in a half lord of the fishes posture*

Finally, some calm. All right, big breath out whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Much better.

Another bad dieting tactic: don't keep trying to do a diet that's not working for you. Even if you're sure it's good diet (nutritious, well-balanced, doesn't leave you hungry, etc.). I'm having a lot of success since I finally gave up trying to prove Weight Watchers works and started counting calories (please don't throw traffic cones at me noncounters, I'm mathematically minded).

I believe that is sound advice. I also believe you made the correct decision. Counting calories IMO is the most foolproof and effective way to ensure weight loss (and gain depending on goals).

 

[richielancair]

You: The starvation response kicks in every 2-3 hours so it would be ideal to eat in a pattern that minimizes this.

Me: No, you are oversimplifying the human body.

I didn't have time to fully respond the other night. On the road, work and all. Long last 3 days. Wed 14hrs, Thur 18 hrs and Fri 12 hrs.

My actual quote.

When you go more than 4 - 5 hours your physical brain (sub consious) says "dude were starving must be a famine start storing fat".

Below are some search engine results I have from the more trusted sites on the web. Sites like WebMD & MSNBC. If you are interested in a more through explaination of these theories Dr Robert Young is doing some cutting edge work on this. He was nominated by the United Nations as the person that has contributed most to nutrition and health.

I've included the links here with the supporting text cut and pasted.

Can you really change your metabolism? - Chew On This - MSNBC.com

Don't skip meals

Space meals 3-4 hours apart. That way you have enough energy throughout the day and you'll be free of the headaches, hunger pangs or mood swings you get when you're famished.

Eating erratically signals the body to burn slower and conserve fat. This is why the law student who has been skipping meals is not losing weight on 1,200 calories. She would be better off having smaller, balanced meals and snacks throughout the day.


Make the Most of Your Metabolism

"When you put too many hours between meals, your metabolism actually slows down to compensate," says Kimball.
But what really works is "Eat more often, and you'll lose more weight." Small, but frequent, meals help keep your metabolism in high gear, and that means you'll burn more calories overall
"When you put too many hours between meals, your metabolism actually slows down to compensate," says Kimball.


How to Speed Up Metabolism

8 Ways to Speed Up Your Metabolism

Eat little and often - there's evidence that eating small, regular meals throughout the day, rather than one or two large meals, may help to keep your metabolism ticking over. Surprisingly, around 10 percent of the calories we use each day go on digesting and absorbing food - so the more times you eat, the greater this effect is likely to be.

Increase metabolism, Speed up metabolism,metabolism boosters,Basal Metabolic Rate
Metabolism Boosters

To boost metabolism, do not skip any meals. Eat 5-6 small meals during the day. Starving will slow down your metabolism


Check out the work of Dr. Robert Young who has been doing tremendous work on microbiology. Amazing stuff. His book "The phMiracle for Weight Loss" goes into detail on the microbiology of metabolism.

Oh yeah on the subconcious brain. Below is a link that directs you to a description on Triun brain theory. This describes how the subconcious (2 brains) are running amuck without supervision. The physical (lizard) brain is the one I believe you were questioning.


The Three Brains

However what most people don't know is that the other 2 brains are actually more powerful and a lot of the time make our decisions for us rather than the logical brain,

 

[richielancair]

You: The starvation response kicks in every 2-3 hours so it would be ideal to eat in a pattern that minimizes this.

Me: No, you are oversimplifying the human body.

I didn't have time to fully respond the other night. On the road, work and all. Long last 3 days. Wed 14hrs, Thur 18 hrs and Fri 12 hrs.

My actual quote.

When you go more than 4 - 5 hours your physical brain (sub consious) says "dude were starving must be a famine start storing fat".

Below are some search engine results I have from the more trusted sites on the web. Sites like WebMD & MSNBC. If you are interested in a more through explaination of these theories Dr Robert Young is doing some cutting edge work on this. He was nominated by the United Nations as the person that has contributed most to nutrition and health.

I've included the links here with the supporting text cut and pasted.

Can you really change your metabolism? - Chew On This - MSNBC.com

Don't skip meals

Space meals 3-4 hours apart. That way you have enough energy throughout the day and you'll be free of the headaches, hunger pangs or mood swings you get when you're famished.

Eating erratically signals the body to burn slower and conserve fat. This is why the law student who has been skipping meals is not losing weight on 1,200 calories. She would be better off having smaller, balanced meals and snacks throughout the day.


Make the Most of Your Metabolism

"When you put too many hours between meals, your metabolism actually slows down to compensate," says Kimball.
But what really works is "Eat more often, and you'll lose more weight." Small, but frequent, meals help keep your metabolism in high gear, and that means you'll burn more calories overall
"When you put too many hours between meals, your metabolism actually slows down to compensate," says Kimball.


How to Speed Up Metabolism

8 Ways to Speed Up Your Metabolism

Eat little and often - there's evidence that eating small, regular meals throughout the day, rather than one or two large meals, may help to keep your metabolism ticking over. Surprisingly, around 10 percent of the calories we use each day go on digesting and absorbing food - so the more times you eat, the greater this effect is likely to be.

Increase metabolism, Speed up metabolism,metabolism boosters,Basal Metabolic Rate
Metabolism Boosters

To boost metabolism, do not skip any meals. Eat 5-6 small meals during the day. Starving will slow down your metabolism


Check out the work of Dr. Robert Young who has been doing tremendous work on microbiology. Amazing stuff. His book "The phMiracle for Weight Loss" goes into detail on the microbiology of metabolism.

Oh yeah on the subconcious brain. Below is a link that directs you to a description on Triun brain theory. This describes how the subconcious (2 brains) are running amuck without supervision. The physical (lizard) brain is the one I believe you were questioning.


The Three Brains

However what most people don't know is that the other 2 brains are actually more powerful and a lot of the time make our decisions for us rather than the logical brain,

 

[richielancair]

The amount of a given fuel used by the body is directly related to the quantity of that substrate at the time.

The body prefers to use glucose.

Carbs breakdown into glucose.

I'm not sure where you're getting the Green Clean vs. Dirty Fossil analogy?

I'm getting the Green Clean vs. Dirty Fossil analogy from Stu Mittleman. At one of his "The New Nutrition" seminars, I believe it was Nov 2007. Dr Depak Chopra and Dr Robert Young, both considered revolutionary, discovering breakthrough technologies in their areas of health, fitness and nutrition.

Stu Mittleman, as you might remember a few years ago ran from New York to California in 35 days averaging something like 75 - 80 miles per day. His original expectations were to run it in 60 days. This was considered impossible, that was like running 2 full marathons a day.

In actuallity what happened was that Stu became stronger and faster each day. He averaged over 75 miles a day (3 marathons) and on the last day he ran for over 120 miles. At the end of this final leg his heart rate was under 90 bpm, within 5 mins his resting heart rate was mid 50 bpm. Within 30 minutes he was considered fully rested.

Stu fully contributes this success from training his body to burn fat, not glucose for fuel. At the seminar Dr. Robert Young showed Stu's blood under a dark field microscope and compared samples of the audience and himself. There was much less cell waste in the blood of Stu than even Dr Young and much less than the blood of audience members.

Dr Depak Chopra and Dr Young using dark field and light field microscopes have calculated the amount waste from fat energy production to be 15% of the glucose based waste. Dr Young said that he thought it was much lower but can not give a definite number. Most of the waste product from glucose stays in the cell then eliminated by the lympatic system. All of the waste produced from burning fat is eliminated through the blood.

I am not recommending this book as I have not read it but Stu Mittletons book "Slow Burn" is supposed to be revolutionizing the Professional training arena. My marathon running friends can not believe how good they feel after a marathon from the information in this book. I have included a link below to a review of the book. I have no personal gain from the sale of Stu's book.



Stu Mittleman explains that in order to feel fit and healthy all day through we should change our metabolism from a sugar-burning metabolism to a fat-burning metabolism.

 

[richielancair]

You're running into the problem of overgeneralizing a very complex and individual topic.

That could be quite true. I tend to like simple, easy to understand technologies. I want results.

From my history with my career in an unrelated field, when you start to have many avenues, and no one can say specifically what is the best path, there has not been enough research done. So far it has held true in this area also.

I think people are frustrated with the health and fitness aspects of their lives. They are told drink coffee, don't drink coffee, drink coffee. As an example I have been inhaling steam every morning over a pot of hot water on the stove before I do my cardio. Wow, the difference is incredable. Not 10% but like a factor of 100. Why didn't someone say something?

I know people who do well with fasting strategies. I know people who do well with nibbling. I know others who do well with a structured, rigid meal plan.

I've tried it all on myself, and have had the great privilege of 'experimenting' with a lot of people.

The bottom line is there is no One Strategy that is universally harmful. It all comes down to the individual response to a given strategy.

I'm not going to agree with you on that last statement. At least not yet. I believe that, as in the Stu Mittleman example, that to continure down the same path that others took without considering alternatives we are hurting ourselves more than we can possibly imagine.

 

[richielancair]

1. How do you plan going about the installation of said habits?

It is through directed routine/habit building. Basically we have routines/habits that developed themselves or with very minimal input from us. Like we grocery shop on Saturday mornings and pay bills on Friday night.

Tony Schwartz has done some ground breaking work on this. Any of his books are just mind bending. His approach is you take a routine that you want, definite it, deliberately and purposely repeat and develop it until it is installed.

I have done this twice.

My routine/ritual was my eating habits. Took about 60 days to develop and install. I am constantly amazed at this simple step. I have been looking for a new car. I stopped at a coffee house today without thinking, was totally into these new car brochures already figured out my order when wham, I stopped cold, told myself I have good food at home and left. This would never have happened before, trust me. I travel alot and eat out. This scenaro has always killed my diets. I usually don't notice until the end of the day. Something that I am not concious of is controlling this behavior, it is obvious to me.

I am now installing a daily success ritual. About 4 weeks in I am noticing huge positive changes. I still need to refine it and I probably will tweak it for years.

Some background on Tony Schwartz is that he has trained many Olympic gold medalist, Greg Louganis, Mark Spitz, Eric Heidel and I think 15 others. Alot of professional sport athletes. He is the first person I have heard of that mentioned human cycles and just more than I can mention.

2. How do you account for individual variation in hunger patterns and response to feeding?

I use a feeding schedule of every couple of hours using one of the human cycles that Tony speaks of.

3. A response in scale weight doesn't always = a diet is 'working.'

The scale like a business dashboard. A business owner monitors his busines by a few factors, a dashboard. Sales, returns on sales, conversion rates, expenses and expenses as a ratio of sales. Probably some payroll stuff like hours worked to date. This lets him know quickly the health of his business. Not perfectly but well enough that he can off load it to an employee.

The scale is my diet dashboard. It gives me a pulse on my diet so I can monitor my subconscious (employee) with my diet. I have off loaded my diet and I can now concentrate on something else.

Like the business dashboard, if sales drop radically, you know you need to get in there and figure out what is going on. If the scale goes up more than I expect it to, like 5 pounds, I need to find out what is going on.

 

[richielancair]

I'm a firm believer in the power of the mind. But the subconscious doesn't control all the biological mechanisms associated with human metabolism.

I don't think we have a clue on what it controls. I will give you two examples.

1) I did a firewalk experience. Real coals that an infrared temp gun showed at 1,600 degrees F. I had to turn my head away to breathe it was so hot. I walked 40 feet through this without burning my feet, no blisters a little soot but no burns. What was that about? Dude that is impossible. We had 50 minutes of hypnosis, but still I should have been walking on stubs by the time I got to the other end. Something big is going on subconsiously.

2) My best friends wife had a hystorectomy and is unable to take pain medication because all of it makes her nauseas. Not a good situation with this type procedure. I have another friend that is a certified clinical hypnotist. My friend's wife was on a morphine pump and just couldn't stand the pain. The Hypnotist came in and hypnotised her, over a 30 minute period. He told her she would feel the pain and welcome it but notice any and all changes in the pain. The pain would exist but feel more like a gentle breeze on her arm. She came out of it and walked to the bathroom, quit sweating and told me that she liked the pain she was feeling, she found it comforting, like a cool breeze. Man, that is almost scary.

Subconsciously, it is something we haven't even begun to figure out.

I think there is alot of leverage in this area. I intend to find out.

 

[Steve]

Sorry Richie, it looks like you spent a lot of time typing all that. I don't have the time nor patience to read it or discuss this matter further with you. It's not a matter of a lack of respect for your opinion or a lack of care with regards to furthering my 'horizon.' I simply don't have an interest in heading in the direction our discussion was heading.

If people were interested in what you had to say I'm sure they'll appreciate the information you provided.

Best to you.

 

[LowFatMilk]

Sorry Richie, it looks like you spent a lot of time typing all that. I don't have the time nor patience to read it or discuss this matter further with you. It's not a matter of a lack of respect for your opinion or a lack of care with regards to furthering my 'horizon.' I simply don't have an interest in heading in the direction our discussion was heading.

If people were interested in what you had to say I'm sure they'll appreciate the information you provided.

Best to you.

Thank you for all your great information again Steve, your dedication is wonderful.

 

[Steve]

Uhg, this thread was a train wreck, lol.

 

[LowFatMilk]

Uhg, this thread was a train wreck, lol.

Well, a fiery thread at the end of the day means someone was thinking somewhere.

 

[Steve]

I suppose, thanks.