Stubborn Fat (ancient fat)

Hi guys its been 2 months since i started my diet and excersize and joined the forum here. Since then ive dropped from 81kg to 72kg and am getting close to my target weight. However ive reached a wall known as stubborn fat spots and i dont know what to do about these. It seems like ive lost fat from all over my body except these areas such as my thighs, stomach fat (Attached to the skin), and some under the breasts. My main concern is that i cant get rid of these areas for some reason every time i reach this weight i hit a brick wall and seems like i cannot go any further to get rid of this so called stubborn fat areas or in my own term ancient fat because it has been there forever!! please help cross this invisible weight line, what can i do ?

-I have been eating right for the past 2 months with a few cheat days but most of the time is just enough protein, carbs, fat, to get me through the day and my workout which started with weight lifting 4-5 times a week and jogging 2-3 times. But now that i dont have as much time i do weight lifting 3 times a week and walk the dog mostly.. however i have always been loyal to my diet. :11doh:
 
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about 1500-2000 depending on my level of activity. . . smoke a lot . . i want to be honest about it so yes i do smoke to suppress my appetite. I have been losing weight at a steady rate about 1kg per week so about 2 pounds but now its slowing down a bit since ive lost the weight..
The thing is ive always been stuck at this level it seems this is my normal body weight and i truly only have a bit of fat left in the areas i mentioned however i used to be really fat and so the fat is hanging on to loose skin that wont tighten until i get rid of ALL of the fat. this is my main concern and been stuck here for a while after losing so much weight. . . :confused:
i have been weight lifting and maintaining my muscle mass and maybe even gained or strengthened them. . but , , where do i go from here , , do i push my level of cardio to the max ? (atm i am barely doing any cardio, and relying mainly on diet and a high metabolism to burn the remaining fat )
 
been doing some research on stubborn fat and found these 2, Citrus Bioflavonoids and Soy Flavones.
reccomended ?

i also found this;
"It doesn't have a high enough ratio of beta-receptors to alpha-receptors, so doesn't respond to adrenal fat-burning stimulation.

It has more estrogen receptors, which accelerates fat gain.

On top of all this, stubborn fat doesn't have a healthy blood circulation. These slowly metabolized fat tissues have fewer blood vessels than a normal fat tissue, and consequently this fat is slower to metabolize, and therefore more stubborn or difficult to remove. "

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Hi guys its been 2 months since i started my diet and excersize and joined the forum here. Since then ive dropped from 81kg to 72kg and am getting close to my target weight.

Mayb......I havent seen you on the forums that much--->WHY NOT? :)

Have you thought about making your own journal in the appropriate section of the forum? HEY! This could be GOOD for the young man! You could include your diet and training, impart your feelings, and you could get a lot of help and assistance!............> THINK ABOUT IT!.........THIS PLACE ROCKS with good people willing to help!

And, I want to congratualate you on a FINE JOB on losing the weight, I KNOW it can be tough, and YOU DID IT!

Mayb ROCKS!
:)


However ive reached a wall known as stubborn fat spots and i dont know what to do about these. It seems like ive lost fat from all over my body except these areas such as my thighs, stomach fat (Attached to the skin), and some under the breasts. My main concern is that i cant get rid of these areas for some reason every time i reach this weight i hit a brick wall and seems like i cannot go any further to get rid of this so called stubborn fat areas or in my own term ancient fat because it has been there forever!! please help cross this invisible weight line, what can i do ?

I hit a simuliar wall in my personal goals too. A few questions, first.

1.*Did you happen to log your calorie intake during the fat loss up to the point of your post?*

2. *What has your calorie intake been like?*

3. Have you been keeping track of your training? (Exercises, reps, weight used, and time in program)

4. Have you been doing cardio? If so, what type? How long? During the entire time?

5. *What was your weight when started? What is your weight now?*

6. What has your eating habits been like up to this point? (how many meals per day, your nutrient ratios). Have you been faithful?

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Answer these questions. This will allow me to expand on some ideas I have for you, and we will KILL this last portion that is troubling the young man.

I dont know what your diet and training has been like UP TO this point; however, I think it safe to assume you have to change your caloric intake that is more taylored to your current weight as your weight has "decreased" which means your caloric needs likewise change to a degree.

I think you know we cant choose where the fat comes off our body; however, we can do things to "step up" the fat burning capability of our body through calorie manipulations that correspond to and compliment the training we do.

To lose your trouble spots, is really just a function of lowering your body fat more than you already have----I know that statement sounds more simple than it is in reality, but its the truth nonetheless.

Mayb, our body "wants" to hold on to its fat (in reality it LIKES it hanging around, lol, but this is true), and the lower it gets, the harder the body seems to fight back; however, if you do the correct things, it doesnt have a choice but to lose it.

Answer my questions, and I think its a simple matter of adjusting your calories, upping cardio to a degree, and making some potential adjustments in your training routine.

I have been where you are at and you will have to STEP UP certain intensities in your training (like cardio-like work: with proper intensity one can use fat storage for fuel, which would be ideal for you WITH a proper adjustment in calories).

Reply to my post, and I WILL get back to you, and get you off RIGHT and you WILL ROCK AND ROLL!


-I have been eating right for the past 2 months with a few cheat days but most of the time is just enough protein, carbs, fat, to get me through the day and my workout which started with weight lifting 4-5 times a week and jogging 2-3 times. But now that i dont have as much time i do weight lifting 3 times a week and walk the dog mostly.. however i have always been loyal to my diet. :11doh:

3 times per week is fine, Mayb (was this a FBW?). Congratualations on being loyal to your diet, but I think since you have this quality already, I think we need to look at your calorie content and the specifics of your training, and kick in additional fat loss capabilities, and this can be simple tweaks....

Lets ROCK Mayb!


Best wishes in all that you set out to do!



EDIT: This post was made AFTER you made your other posts in your thread. I think we were posting at the same time. I wanted to make sure you knew that.


Chillen
 
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Haha yeah I have not been around the forum for a bit, been focusing on getting things done rather than dwelling over them. But I am back for another dose :SaiyanSmilie_anim:

1.*Did you happen to log your calorie intake during the fat loss up to the point of your post?*

I did for about 3 weeks and then stopped

2. *What has your calorie intake been like?*

I think i have been around 1500-2000/day hopefully i may have gone under 1500 some days tho:11doh:

3. Have you been keeping track of your training? (Exercises, reps, weight used, and time in program)

I have been keeping track in my mind.. i do it week per week in which i check to make sure i have done atleast 3 weight training sessions/ week hitting up all the muscle groups and i dont enjoy running (smoker) , but i do walk my dog for atleast 20-40 min total per day and i may sprint and jog somedays but not much.

5. *What was your weight when started? What is your weight now?*

81KG Current weight: 72KG

6. What has your eating habits been like up to this point? (how many meals per day, your nutrient ratios). Have you been faithful?

oatmeal or pita bread in the morning along with a protein shake / frozen veggies & chicken & brown rice& Protein shakes & 1mega man sports vitmn pill; is my main source throughout the day about 3-5 meals/day, not too many fruits as to maintain low levels of insulin (fat storage), may also have a cheat meal once a week like a sandwhich from a restaurant or something.
 
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Haha yeah I have not been around the forum for a bit, been focusing on getting things done rather than dwelling over them. But I am back for another dose :SaiyanSmilie_anim:

1.*Did you happen to log your calorie intake during the fat loss up to the point of your post?*

I did for about 3 weeks and then stopped

If you want me to help you, you will start tracking your calorie intake from this day forward.......do we understand one another? :) Hard love is good.


2. *What has your calorie intake been like?*

I think i have been around 1500-2000/day hopefully i may have gone under 1500 some days tho:11doh:

What is your MT line with activities (I dont recall assisting you in the past or if another member provided you with the information on how to do it)

How far below (in deficit is this?)

3. Have you been keeping track of your training? (Exercises, reps, weight used, and time in program)

I have been keeping track in my mind.. i do it week per week in which i check to make sure i have done atleast 3 weight training sessions/ week hitting up all the muscle groups and i dont enjoy running (smoker) , but i do walk my dog for atleast 20-40 min total per day and i may sprint and jog somedays but not much.

For a second time: If you want me to help you, you WILL start tracking your training progression: The mind sometimes fails us and we can make mistakes without knowing it, and the paper and pencil can reduce these types of things from happenen: Hard love is good.

So, you a smoker, so what? You can start a program to quit or stay smoking in EITHER event, this ISNT gonna impact your weight loss as much as the mighty calorie V exercise. Therefore, you are going to have to UP cardio in my opinion at this time (do you happen to have some pics, Im just a bit interested in our "current" bodily composition).

Your want-o-meter has to RISE higher than the body being stubborn in wanting to let go of the last bit of body fat, and this is the BOTTOM LINE.
I think increasing cardio at a good number of times per week along with tweaks in your training, and with proper time, this can do it for you.

5. *What was your weight when started? What is your weight now?*

81KG Current weight: 72KG

Im a dumb American, what is this in pounds? (LOL, I know)

6. What has your eating habits been like up to this point? (how many meals per day, your nutrient ratios). Have you been faithful?

oatmeal or pita bread in the morning along with a protein shake / frozen veggies & chicken & brown rice is my main source throughout the day about 3-5 meals/day, not too many fruits as to maintain low levels of insulin (fat storage), may also have a cheat meal once a week like a sandwhich from a restaurant or something.

Your MAIN focus should be calorie in versus calorie out......

Fruit SHOULD be consumed, and ISNT going to hurt you, youngman.

For example: What is your pre and post workout meals like? Do you think your body needs some quick carbs after working out for an hour? YES IT DOES. And fruit is IDEAL to eat at this time? WHY.....? Because you just got done depleting your carb stores (actually converted carb stores), and eating fruit with a high GI can provide a rather quick fix and the body is primed to accept it HAPPILY. And, you just flat need to replace it anyway.

Regardless of these meals, fresh Fruit is just fine to consume.

Eating like this, what does the percentage of ratios (Carbs, Protein, and good fats) look like?

I want what you did "specifically" in your weight training......no generalizations. What you DID exactly in those training sessions 3x per week.
What exercises, sets, reps, etc


Lets GO!




Chillen
 
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Hard Love Is What I Need.

Yes, i accept :yelrotflmao: tracking diet and workouts that is.

Not sure what you mean by MT line if its anything like BMR here is what it was when i started at 178lbs :BMR: 1941.69 bmr+moderate active: 3010 bmr+light active:2670

But now i'd have to recalculate it to match my current weight at 158.5lbs at 2562 calories with my activity level.
also age: 19 height: 6ft1 or 2inches

every workout session i focus on 2 muscle groups per day:
1. chest / legs
2. shoulders/ triceps
3. biceps/ back
heavy weights/10reps or untill failure/ 3 sets and 3 different excersizes for each muscle group.

very minimal cardio consists of going back and forth to classes ( in car ) and short walks as well as walking the dog daily for about 20-40mins per day.

diet :
i tried sticking to a diet program given to me by a trainer while back:
6meals: 40g protein/50grams carbs/30g fruit (fruit only twice a day as well as veggies all u can eat twice /day)

but i dont think i go anywhere near that .. i may do 40g carbs per and skip carbs at night replaced with veggies and protein source.. i prolly consume much less then what i stated above but i try to use it as a maximum instead of a minimum because that was a bulking plan while maintaing current weight level at the time.

abt my body comp atm i wish i can post a new pic but my sibe husky ate the webcam so ill do my best to describe; dropped to maybe a 32-31 waist size from 34 and extremely thin in most areas except the stubborn parts holding onto fat such as lower abs, thighs, and lower chest. . it is as if ive slimmed my whole body and yet it did not tap into these sources of fat and deplete them. :mad:
 
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Yes, i accept :yelrotflmao: tracking diet and workouts that is.

This is GOOD! Im Chillen in happy.....:) :rolleyes:

You could purchase the book NROL, and participate in the program the author outlines, but I DO NOT agree with its calorie recommendations....if you do this, stick with your NEW calorie guidelines in accordance with your NEW weight.

You can use fitday.com (which may be easier, then the manual method). I think you need to educate yourself on the calories in foods that tend to be a bit troublesome to figure out (like lean chicken breasts, etc), just by doing a goodgle search, anyway. THIS WILL HELP MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW.

Not sure what you mean by MT line if its anything like BMR here is what it was when i started at 178lbs :BMR: 1941.69 bmr+moderate active: 3010 bmr+light active:2670

Former weight: 178 (when started)
Current weight: 158 (after tissue loss)
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At weight of 178: You did: 1500 to 2000c variances for several weeks which has lead to fat loss, and your MT Line is: 3010 (mod active), 2670, light active.

Got it, and understood. 1500 was far too low during this period. Do not go this low again, or I bring out the "Chill Strap" :rolleyes:

But now i'd have to recalculate it to match my current weight at 158.5 at 2562 calories with my activity level.

This is absolutely correct, this is what I wanted you to understand: GREAT JOB! :)-----now remember my previous comment, about not hitting 1500c again......"remember I have the "chill strap" always in the ready position.........>:)

every workout session i focus on 2 muscle groups per day:
1. chest / legs
2. shoulders/ triceps
3. biceps/ back
heavy weights/10reps or untill failure/ 3 sets and 3 different excersizes for each muscle group.


Is it possible to do a Full Body Routine? Instead of a split?


LIST these exercises: for the Chest, triceps, shoulders, biceps, back.

I have a problem with your routine arrangement, I understand its a split-routine and on the "surface" this will work, but its HOW you are doing it.

1. You do chest and legs (upper) (Tricep gets hit through the chest, and so do the shoulders of course.)------then you hit the triceps and shoulders the NEXT DAY. Which means you are hitting the same type of muscle groups in two subsequent days, without proper rest, and I believe you shouldnt be doing this.

2. Biceps with Back are fine. I dont think I have to explain why.(upper)


3. For legs what do you do? (lower)

4. I think you ought to include the dead lift; however in a split-routine its sort of difficult to place, because of the "sheer number of muscle groups" this great exercise involves (Hams, glutes, legs, torso, upper and lower back, shoulders, etc). So with rest in mind, I just say, place it in the best place, and fricken train.......bottom line, and get it! Therefore, I recommend doing it on Leg day. (we shall see what the others say, but its rather difficult to place). Admittingly I have some reservations on this part, but this WILL work.

Upper/Lower Split: One example (only)
1. Upper
2. Rest, cardio (20 min, progressive in time, intensity)
3. Lower
4. rest, cardio (20 min, progressive in time, intensity)
5. Upper
6. Rest, cardio (20 min, progressive in time, intensity)
7. Lower
8. Rest

You can decide to do cardio on the same day as your weight training, but do it after your complete your weight training in my opinion, and rest the next day. After a time, depending on results, you could increase cardio to 4 days, and so on and so forth. While maintaining an adequate deficit, your cardio is IMPORTANT ELEMENT in your fat loss equation, then. It can be quite powerful under these conditions IF time in intensity is correct, AND you will burn additional calories.

Split-routines also have a common fault of limiting the number of times one hits a muscle group per week (a FBW hits them 3 times per week). So you may want to revert to a FBW, unless you like the split and you get good results from it.



very minimal cardio consists of going back and forth to classes ( in car ) and short walks as well as walking the dog daily for about 20-40mins per day.

Do you have access to a treadmill, upright bike, etc? If not, get out and do a "air borne" shuffle run (its just a tad slower than a jog), and work your way up, and do it for ATLEAST 20 minutes, and be progressive in intensity.



diet :
i tried sticking to a diet program given to me by a trainer while back:
6meals: 40g protein/50grams carbs/30g fruit (fruit only twice a day as well as veggies all u can eat twice /day)

but i dont think i go anywhere near that .. i may do 40g carbs per and skip carbs at night replaced with veggies and protein source.. i prolly consume much less then what i stated above but i try to use it as a maximum instead of a minimum because that was a bulking plan while maintaing current weight level at the time.

You should focus on .8 per lb of body weight for protein, Mayb. I dont have a problem with you skipping carbs at night (though its not really necessary, if your deficit is correct and spot on), but dont be afraid of consuming carbs at night within your calorie limitations.

Determining Proper Ratios of Protein, Fat and Carbohydrates

There are many different ratios, and methods of determining those ratios, in use today. Following is just one of the many ways to figure the caloric ratio, but seems to work pretty well, with a good success rate.



Here is something to just put in your mind: Calories per gram of the three major nutrients:

Protein 4 calories per gram

Carbohydrates 4 calories per gram

Fat 9 calories per gram

Good fats, 30%, Carbs, 40%, and Protien, 30% (ball park percentages)

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Think on changing your current split to a FBW, if this cant happen, your current workout needs changed.

Adjust your MT line to your new weight, create a defict of ONLY 500c.

What are your current rest in-between sets rest times? Considering lowering it (increase in intensity), and ADD cardio........Thus far we are working rather good.

OKay to recap:

1. You adjusted your MT Line to your new weight
2. Your INCREASING exercise through cardio 3 to 4 times per week (progressive scale, and we may have to talk abit more about this, as Im not satisfied yet with it)
3. Your DECREASING rest between sets. (Intensity increase)
4. Workout is still being worked on---which may ADD intensity
5. You are going to begin to track calories
6. You are going to begin tracking your progression in your training



Best regards to you!



Chillen
 
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Mayb........GATHER UP YOU MIND, BABY!

Give yourself the EXTRA OOMPH.......RISE ABOVE YOURSELF......and KNOCK this last bit off...........!....Yes, ROCK IT OFF! :)

BE ALL YOU KNOW YOU CAN BE!


YES........YOU ROCK AND YOU KNOW IT!



Best wishes to ALL YOU TRY TO DO!




Chillen
 
Yes: for men, this is around 3% bodyfat, and for women this is higher at around 12% (roughly)

For women it's actually more like 9%.

From Tom Venoto's book "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle"

"Body fat rating scale men women
Competition Shape (“ripped”) 3-6% 9-12%
Very Lean (excellent) < 9% <15%
Lean (good) 10-14% 16-20%
Average (fair) 15-19% 21-25%
Below average (poor) 20-25% 26-30%
Major improvement needed (Very poor) 26-30%+ 31-40%+"
 
For women it's actually more like 9%.

From Tom Venoto's book "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle"

"Body fat rating scale men women
Competition Shape (“ripped”) 3-6% 9-12%
Very Lean (excellent) < 9% <15%
Lean (good) 10-14% 16-20%
Average (fair) 15-19% 21-25%
Below average (poor) 20-25% 26-30%
Major improvement needed (Very poor) 26-30%+ 31-40%+"

It's different from individual to individual (slightly); however, with all due respect to Mr. Venuto, I prefer to get my scientific information from actual scientists that conduct the research, in which case:

Sports and Exercise Nutrition
By William D. Macardle, Frank I. Katch, Victor L. Katch

Women
In contrast to the lower limit of body mass for the reference man, which includes about 3% essential fat, the lower limit for the reference woman includes about 12% essential fat...Behnke's theoretical concept of minimal body mass in women, which incorporates about 12% essential fat, corresponds to the lean body mass in men that includes 3% essential fat.

Don't misunderstand what you're reading: a person can physiologically drop lower than these "minimal" amounts, but they won't be able to sustain this for long, and not without significant health risks.

The category of "Competition Shape/ripped" might sound very impressive, but you do realize that it's not a technical term and has very little to do with what is actually "essential body fat," right? :confused:
 
Mayb........I see you........Looking at this thread.......

Respond to the questions.........and lets get you ROCKEN!
 
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