spark people....

maleficent said:
It's really not a fair fight and makes for a lousy argument... you at least have to spar with someone who's got some bit of knowledge... bloodbaths get old very quickly...
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Noooo, they're still fun. I'm getting a kick out of these spark replies right now...after im done my IP exam im going to register.

Michael
 
maleficent said:
Patience grasshopper patience :D

Again, I'm really uncomfortable defending people here, but if people are only shown one way - and that way was effective for them, it's not really ignorance or stupidity - they just don't know any better... it's when they are shown other methods - and refuse to adopt them, and continue in their original path,, then it's ignorance and stupidity..
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Right, but they actually have self-proclaimed experts there that hold the actual title of guru-status, yet, little is done.

It's not so much the ignorance and stupidity.... it's the lack of guidance and filtration. There is ignorance and stupidity here, but it's controlled a lot more.

Maybe it's the size difference.

Or maybe the self-proclaimed gurus aren't gurus after all. Although I've read some of their posts and they seem "alright."

And more so, the issue I've taken is what you say right here in this very post.... the people don't like being questioned on anything that isn't SP approved.

Don't get me wrong, I'm making gross generalizations.... they aren't all bad eggs. I've already received quite a few emails from people interested in learning more. I just give them links to this community, lol.

But it seems like some have been brainwashed.


exactly the question I ask when we have 'experts' come into this forum :D
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again, the 'experts' are handled a lot differently around here.
 
And more so, the issue I've taken is what you say right here in this very post.... the people don't like being questioned on anything that isn't SP approved.
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I'm not sure it's brainwashed actually -but it's that people have finally found something that has worked for them - and my non-expert self says that it's worked for them becaue they were finally in a place to make anything work for them - spark just happened to be in the right place at the right time.. but some people need a crutch or a security blanket and by questioning that... it's killing security and adding doubt..
 
This is just sad... an email I just received from Coach Dean, one of the mods over there:

Hi, S

We appreciate that you're willing and able to spend time sharing your knowledge and experience on our message boards, but some of your posts aren't appropriate under our community guidelines (see link at the top of the main community page), and we also don't allow using our site to promote products, businesses, or other sites.

In one post today, for example, you used the word "stupid" to characterize another member's use of the idea of "shocking your muscles" instead of the more correct notion of "overload". Technically, you were correct, and I agree with the idea that obsessing about variety can be counterproductive--but the message gets lost when you tell someone they're being stupid, don't you think? That's just going to make them defensive and close them down, not open them to a different way of thinking.

We make a real point here of avoiding this kind of problem, and we expect our members to avoid using that kind of language/approach, and to keep the discussion friendly and supportive. So, I deleted that post. Feel free to replace the info without the slams, if you want. I've also deleted the comment you made on your own sparkpage inviting people to another weight loss site you're involved in. We don't have the staff resources to check out sites like this, and the internet is full of sites with bad info, so we have to go with a policy of asking members not to recommend or promote other programs. I happen to know that site a little and it seems pretty good, but we can't allow exceptions to the policy without ending up with a million complaints about why some and not others.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Coach Dean
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Here's my reply:

I figured it was a matter of time before a moderator contacted me. I go against the grain around here obviously and different is not always good in the eyes of the masses.

Plus, I moderate a large, relatively speaking, weight loss forum myself and I see a ton of "self-proclaimed" gurus come and go.... so I understand your concern.

Let me speak directly to what you wrote here:

*********we also don't allow using our site to promote products, businesses, or other sites.*********

Hmmm, I didn't promote a product, business, or site. What are you referring too?

*********In one post today, for example, you used the word "stupid" to characterize another member's use of the idea of "shocking your muscles" instead of the more correct notion of "overload". Technically, you were correct, and I agree with the idea that obsessing about variety can be counterproductive--but the message gets lost when you tell someone they're being stupid, don't you think? That's just going to make them defensive and close them down, not open them to a different way of thinking. ***********

Contrary to what you say here, I didn't say someone was being stupid. Just b/c I think a concept is stupid certainly doesn't mean I think a person is stupid.

I'm not here to play with semantics though.... I'll tone it down on that front. No more calling concepts stupid.... I'll simply refute with facts. Not opinions.

********We make a real point here of avoiding this kind of problem, and we expect our members to avoid using that kind of language/approach, and to keep the discussion friendly and supportive. So, I deleted that post. ***********

Wow!

That's ashamed.

Really not a fan of censorship.... but it's not my community.

Could you do me a favor and send me via email that post so I can do away with the "stupid" bit? This way the sound information still stands on the public forum.

*********Feel free to replace the info without the slams, if you want. I've also deleted the comment you made on your own sparkpage inviting people to another weight loss site you're involved in. ***********

Oh, that's what you were talking about above.

So you moderate even the conversations too. Ok, I'll stick with email on that front, understood.


********We don't have the staff resources to check out sites like this, and the internet is full of sites with bad info, so we have to go with a policy of asking members not to recommend or promote other programs. ***********

No exclamation needed.... there's a lot of BS out there.

********I happen to know that site a little and it seems pretty good, but we can't allow exceptions to the policy without ending up with a million complaints about why some and not others.**********

Again, understood.

That is a forum I moderate and it tends to be a little less opinionated and more factual than the forums here. That's why it was recommended.

But it certainly won't happen again in a public facility related to SP.
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They're on me like flies on shit, lol. I don't expect to last much longer.

And I'm extremely pissed they deleted a very informative post of mine simply b/c I called a concept stupid.
 
He seems like a stand up guy, truthfully.

He's acting guarded toward me just as I do to most 'gurus' who come prancing in here.

Totally understand.
 
Somewhere on there is his backstory -it's pretty interesting actually -he lost a ton of weight and fixed a plethora of health problems on his own - plus kind o f prides himself pn a no bullshit approach to people - and will tell people to suck it up ad get over themselves...
 
my kind of guy....

hopefully he'll see the light with me.

makes me with i wouldn't have been so standoffish with him in my response.
 
seriously, that's why i just said what i said -he is a person that you would seem to like...

Standoffishness is part of your charm :)

he doesnt seem the type to hold things against people...
 
thanks mal, and we shall see.

i seriously HATE censorship.... if that continues, I'll just leave.

but i'll certainly give him the benefit of the doubt
 
Haha.... now she is just annoying.

Only serves to make that community look bad.

Other than that, I'm liking the forum more and more. I'm running into quite a few people who are actually willing to listen.
 
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