Society Gone Mad!!!

[bluemomma]

I was drinking my morning cup of joe and came across an article..... Crystal Renn.... *Plus Size* model. PLUS SIZE???? She's a size 10 for God sake! So..... that means what? You NEED to be a size 2 to be *slim*? It was just kind of a *wow* moment for me. She looks like a nice, normal, healthy young woman and they're calling her fat basically. Truly sad. And then people wonder why young women are starving themselves to death.

It was just kind of a wake up call for me to realize that if I get to size 10, that's still VERY acceptable (Crystal is 5'9" and I'm 5'4") given my height and build. I think the uber skinny models and actresses should be called *anorexic sized*.... let them wear the negative title for once! LOL

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[tubbytinkerbell]

i totally agree with you on this.

i'm a size 12-14 and if i had red this i wwould have felt positively huge.

the media should focus on how anorexia and severe obesity is unhealthy and what to lookk for and how to help rather than focusing on models

 

[jen_renee]

I just read about her last night. I literally sat there and just shook my head. I even had to show the article to someone, because I was just in shock and disbelief at what I was seeing...HAHAHA. It's ridiculous...absolutely ridiculous. To me she looks to be a nice healthy weight...in NO way plus size. Siiiiigh.

 

[Jericho]

There is a link an article about her and her photos being airbrushed.

 

[Kayshiz]

Wow, I am gonna get so flamed...

From a designer perspective (not magazines or editors but the actual artist, stressing the word artist here, who is making the clothes) most clothing looks better on a thinner girl. Competing with boobs and butts and curves (all of which are AWESOME in real life) can make your clothes take a backseat.

Granted there are some designers that strive to dress a more curvy figure, which is really good to, but when you are just trying to be an artist and get your voice out there you are going to pick a thin model.

So, now we have models that are usually between size 0-4 at the very most.

It is 100% exactly the same with designers that make plus size clothes. They are size 10-14 usually because that is the largest girl they can put their clothes on to have the clothes look as best as possible.

The girls are just walking coat hangers. You can't think of them in any other way.

You shouldn't be personally offended by it. It's not a jab at you or your size, just reality.

When I sold custom jewelry I always made my cute skinny friends model it because it looked better on them, but mostly, because you noticed the girl less and the item more.

They are just trying to sell their clothes and give themselves the best advantage possible.

I don't blame them in the slightest.

 

[ChefChiTown]

They are just trying to sell their clothes and give themselves the best advantage possible.

True. But, that doesn't mean that what they're doing is right.

What they're doing, whether it's intentional or not, is f*cking around with the self-images of women all around the world. THEY are the ones who are promoting the idea that a woman who wears a size 10 is "plus size" - AKA - a fat, fatty who can't even fit into normal sized clothes, HYUCK HYUCK HYUCK!!!

If companies, designers, advertisers (etc) would stop promoting the idea that realistically normal/average/every day women are fat pigs, then women would stop feeling so self-conscious about their bodies. The woman in that picture is NOT "plus size" and EEEEEVERYBODY knows it. Yet, you can't deny that millions of women, even though they know that woman isn't fat, look at that picture and start to feel disgusting - "I wear a size 14, which is bigger than what that 'plus size' model wears. SIGH, I must REALLY be a fat pig "

Now, like I said, whether they're doing it intentionally or not, they are making women feel fat and unattractive by pushing advertisements like that..and, they KNOW it. You can't blame them for trying to make money (because that's what businesses do), but you can blame them for knowingly and willingly contributing to the negativity that women feel towards themselves.

 

[ForRealThisTime]

Very interesting perspective, thanks for sharing.

Wow, I am gonna get so flamed...

From a designer perspective (not magazines or editors but the actual artist, stressing the word artist here, who is making the clothes) most clothing looks better on a thinner girl. Competing with boobs and butts and curves (all of which are AWESOME in real life) can make your clothes take a backseat.

Granted there are some designers that strive to dress a more curvy figure, which is really good to, but when you are just trying to be an artist and get your voice out there you are going to pick a thin model.

So, now we have models that are usually between size 0-4 at the very most.

It is 100% exactly the same with designers that make plus size clothes. They are size 10-14 usually because that is the largest girl they can put their clothes on to have the clothes look as best as possible.

The girls are just walking coat hangers. You can't think of them in any other way.

You shouldn't be personally offended by it. It's not a jab at you or your size, just reality.

When I sold custom jewelry I always made my cute skinny friends model it because it looked better on them, but mostly, because you noticed the girl less and the item more.

They are just trying to sell their clothes and give themselves the best advantage possible.

I don't blame them in the slightest.

 

[Harold14370]

THEY are the ones who are promoting the idea that a woman who wears a size 10 is "plus size" - AKA - a fat, fatty who can't even fit into normal sized clothes, HYUCK HYUCK HYUCK!!!

How are the advertisers promoting this? If the model had not gone on TV to complain about the photo retouching nobody would have known what she looked like in real life, nor would they have known or cared that a size 12 is considered plus size in the modeling business. So blame it on the model who is out there promoting herself and congratulating herself for admitting the photo was retouched.

You can't blame them for trying to make money (because that's what businesses do), but you can blame them for knowingly and willingly contributing to the negativity that women feel towards themselves.

Nonsense. By that logic, skinny women are at fault for making the fat women feel bad about themselves.

 

[summer123]

I come from a Designer point of view too but see it in two ways.

As a designer you can either dress the body, or dress the figure. It depends what sort of designer you are.

Check out the new LV season which is full of enhanced curves and bosums, it would have looked even better with proper curves IMO but it just goes to show that some designers do aim to dress the figure rather then just design fabrics to travel around.

Just a shame that more design clothes not to be worn then those that do. Yay the high street!

 

[ChefChiTown]

How are the advertisers promoting this? If the model had not gone on TV to complain about the photo retouching nobody would have known what she looked like in real life, nor would they have known or cared that a size 12 is considered plus size in the modeling business. So blame it on the model who is out there promoting herself and congratulating herself for admitting the photo was retouched.

I'm not talking about that article promoting the idea that a woman who wears a size 10 to be plus size - I'm talking about how designers, stores, companies, magazines (whoever) push the idea that a size 10 (which is NOT a size that a heavy woman would wear) is PLUS SIZE. All that does is f*ck around with how women look at themselves. Instead of feeling normal, they feel "plus sized", AKA - FAT. And, it's for no reason other than clothing companies and the media TELLING them that they're fat.

Are they fat? No. Are they told they are fat? Yup. To me, that's just ridiculous. I know it makes them money, but it's very immoral marketing.

Nonsense. By that logic, skinny women are at fault for making the fat women feel bad about themselves.

Yes, because every day women are capable of photoshopping themselves when they walk around in real life. :rolls eyes:

 

[Maja1]

seriously, if u're not fat, or has no self confidence issue, you will not be offended by this. people realized that they have different body shapes. plus being a size 12/14 (US size) at 5'4 i can tell you, it's not healthy. dont you notice your fat rolls on those size? and if you want to be healthy, it means u need to be in smaller size more muscle mass, less fat.

as for designer, i'm a designer myself, yes, the clothes looks better on models who are THAT tall, with THAT kind of body. but you know what? that's not the size that we sell on the stores, NEVER. what you get in stores, are normal human size. not elongated, super skinny model size. so if you can't fit those, then maybe you need to check on your diet.

andd i agree with this

Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
Nonsense. By that logic, skinny women are at fault for making the fat women feel bad about themselves.

ChefChiTown: no, some people doesnt need photoshop to look skinny, they just born that way. not everyone is fat.

 

[ChefChiTown]

ChefChiTown: no, some people doesnt need photoshop to look skinny, they just born that way. not everyone is fat.

GASP!!! Not everyone is fat? GET OUTTA HERE!!!

Jesus Christ, people...smarten up a little bit and stop nitpicking at everything I say. Instead of trying to dig extremely deep into every little comment I make, try taking a second to read what I write first so you can understand the point I'm making before you decide to comment on my thoughts and opinions.

People often claim that I'm quick to judge on this forum, but, it's funny...most people who quote one of my posts and decide to vocalize their disagreement with my point of view certainly seem to be quick with the judgments themselves - because they don't even bother to read my posts and they don't even bother to TRY to see the point I'm making. Instead, they take things out of context and twist my words around, so they can try to use my words as some sort of fuel for their argument.

"Oh, Chef made a post? I don't like that guy. Let me skim through his post real quick and find something that I can take out of context so I can try to prove him wrong my disagreeing with him. That'll show him!!!" No, it doesn't work that way.

Nowhere am I saying anything that people are claiming. And, it's sad that people can't take 10 seconds to read what I write before they come to their conclusion on what I'm saying.

I'm quick to judge? People in glass houses...

/MINI RANT TO THE FORUM

as for designer, i'm a designer myself, yes, the clothes looks better on models who are THAT tall, with THAT kind of body.

Says who?

You said that not everybody is fat - well, not everybody looks at people and sees the same thing you do either. So, to say that certain clothes look better on certain models with certain body types is nothing more than your individual opinion.

Why do people come onto to a WEIGHT LOSS FORUM and throw around comments that revolve around the idea that fat people are gross and that skinny people are the best? It's almost as if a lot of people come here to tell us (people who are overweight) that we're not as good as skinny people. Yeah, THAT'S supportive and motivational!!!

Seriously...why does it seem like I'm the only one who speaks up about this? I can't be the only one who reads things like this and gets offended. SIGH...I don't get it. I really don't.

 

[Kayshiz]

Saying someone is a "plus size model" doesn't mean she is a "plus size person". It's only that industry that she is bigger then average. If you read in a book (or other trustworthy and accurate reference) that the average women in America is 14 and Ralph Lauren shows you a picture of a size 0 photoshopped skinny mess, and you look at the model as your point of reference for what is considered fat that is a bad inference and your own problem.

My biggest problem with this is the fact that at the end of the day, this it is a serious art to some people. As an artist, I would never expect anyone to tell me how to paint or sculpt my work, and I'm not going to tell someone else how to make theirs. That makes this a very grey area for me, and much less around the fact that it upsets someones self esteem, or that someone believes the companies that the artists work for are trying to make women feel bad. I don't believe it is their intent to make Jenny X. form Kansas feel bad for being a size 16.

I'd understand if it was Weight Watchers using size 0 photoshopped models and it was upsetting people, I really would.

Since it is upsetting others and not upsetting me it is obviously an opinionated thing. There isn't any right answer here. I have been fat my entire life, so this isn't the opinion coming from a skinny girl. I like myself, and my self esteem, and the latest Dior ad isn't going to change that.

I like that I live in a place where if your not physically (ergo, touching) hurting someone else, you can pretty much do what you want. If you start telling someone they can't do something it gives them the ability to do the same to you.

 

[NedoCTB]

If a girl that weighs 250 wants to be in modeling, it is a fair assumption that they're going to have to lose a massive amount of weight. The heavier the girl the more it detracts from the appearance of the clothes. It's a very simple concept to understand about why they use tall, skinny girls for that. I've heard of situations where an EXTREMELY skinny girl that was short was actually not accepted for a modeling position. Am I suppose to get offended about a short, skinny girl not getting the job? It's basically the same thing.

This thread is making something out of nothing.

For general daily life, a woman around 120-150 lbs is perfectly healthy and it will most likely not cause any health problems later in life. I think based on many studies if your stomach is less then 35 inches around the belly button area you're a good weight.

 

[janadam]

There is real anger at how the media portray people as they should be, and I understand that. But I also wonder why on earth so may of us choose to digest so much of the crap that show this kind of stuff on E! or whatever other lifestyle celebrity program or channel.

In an effort to be less influenced by groups solely motivated to make money out of you, I've begun muting the TV in advertising breaks. I'll also look away. Just not interested, and if I am in the market for a new slim shake or wonder hair product, I'll go finding it online, where I'm much more in control of what I'm forced to consume.

Allow people to sell things the way they feel 'works' for them. Don't begrudge them that right, but make a choice to ignore it if it affects you.

Be proactive, not reactive (and angry).

 

[ChefChiTown]

Saying someone is a "plus size model" doesn't mean she is a "plus size person". It's only that industry that she is bigger then average. If you read in a book (or other trustworthy and accurate reference) that the average women in America is 14 and Ralph Lauren shows you a picture of a size 0 photoshopped skinny mess, and you look at the model as your point of reference for what is considered fat that is a bad inference and your own problem.

I'm not really sure what you're saying there. Are you saying that it's our (the public) fault if we consider a size 14 to be plus size? Are you saying that it's our (the public) problem if we think a size 14 is fat? I'm not sure.

I didn't want to assume anything, so I thought I'd ask.

I don't believe it is their intent to make Jenny X. form Kansas feel bad for being a size 16.

If a person drinks a case of beer, gets behind the wheel of a car and kills 3 people in a drunk driving accident, would you exclude them of any and all responsibility for their actions if they never had the intent to harm anybody? No, you wouldn't. Nobody would.

Whether they intend to or not, marketing executives and industry advertisers are clearly influencing women around the world and helping to change their perception about themselves...for the worse. And, they know it. They're not stupid.

I know it's their job, but it doesn't mean that it's right.

FYI - I'm well aware that comparing a drunk driver to a marketing executive is a stretch. It's just an example I used to make a point. So, if anybody feels like taking that out of context or nitpicking about it...go ahead. But, you'll just look stupid by doing so.

Since it is upsetting others and not upsetting me it is obviously an opinionated thing. There isn't any right answer here. I have been fat my entire life, so this isn't the opinion coming from a skinny girl. I like myself, and my self esteem, and the latest Dior ad isn't going to change that.

There's no right answer because it's all wrong.

 

[rachel07]

This a really touchy subject, so lemme put my kid gloves on, and throw out the disclaimer that this is all IMO:

I don't think the fashion industry is any more at fault when a woman (or man) develops a negative body image than McDonald's is at fault when a person becomes obese. It's about mindset and willpower. I agree that some (most) outfits look best on a leaner person. The fashion industry is a business just like any other business, and they're main concern in selling their product. They don't need to worry about anyone's self-esteem, because building up self-esteem is the task of the individual. The fashion industry is not responsible for that. No one has to adopt the mindset that a size 2 is beautiful, just like no one has to believe McDonald's when they say that a Big Mac is part of a healthy diet.

I'm a size 10, and I don't get offended when the industry calls me plus-sized, because I was raised to have confidence.

 

[NedoCTB]

Word. If you don't have self-confidence at your current weight you will not have it at a lower weight. Also, if your weight is the thing that brings you self-confidence that is a joke.

This a really touchy subject, so lemme put my kid gloves on, and throw out the disclaimer that this is all IMO:

I don't think the fashion industry is any more at fault when a woman (or man) develops a negative body image than McDonald's is at fault when a person becomes obese. It's about mindset and willpower. I agree that some (most) outfits look best on a leaner person. The fashion industry is a business just like any other business, and they're main concern in selling their product. They don't need to worry about anyone's self-esteem, because building up self-esteem is the task of the individual. The fashion industry is not responsible for that. No one has to adopt the mindset that a size 2 is beautiful, just like no one has to believe McDonald's when they say that a Big Mac is part of a healthy diet.

I'm a size 10, and I don't get offended when the industry calls me plus-sized, because I was raised to have confidence.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Word. If you don't have self-confidence at your current weight you will not have it at a lower weight. Also, if your weight is the thing that brings you self-confidence that is a joke.

I just read a post of yours in another thread (People Treating You Different?) in which you say that you actually enjoy going out now - now that you've lost weight. And, in that very same post, you said that girls talk to you a lot more and are more into you now that you have lost weight. From what you said in that post, it seems as if you are more comfortable with going out, now that you have lost weight and receive a lot of compliments.

If one were to take a realistic and honest look at what you were saying in that post, they would come to the logical conclusion that you enjoy going out now because you have more confidence in yourself. Yet, now you say that if someone gets confidence from their weight, that it's a joke?

I'm confused.

 

[JanaNanner]

This a really touchy subject, so lemme put my kid gloves on, and throw out the disclaimer that this is all IMO:

I don't think the fashion industry is any more at fault when a woman (or man) develops a negative body image than McDonald's is at fault when a person becomes obese. It's about mindset and willpower. I agree that some (most) outfits look best on a leaner person. The fashion industry is a business just like any other business, and they're main concern in selling their product. They don't need to worry about anyone's self-esteem, because building up self-esteem is the task of the individual. The fashion industry is not responsible for that. No one has to adopt the mindset that a size 2 is beautiful, just like no one has to believe McDonald's when they say that a Big Mac is part of a healthy diet.

I'm a size 10, and I don't get offended when the industry calls me plus-sized, because I was raised to have confidence.

I think the trouble is that not everyone is raised to have confidence... some people aren't even raised by their parents, but raised instead by the television and the magazine and the movie that teach them the wrong message. It's really great that you're that fortunate, but not everyone is.

While I don't believe that it is the fashion industry's responsibility to raise children, I do find it disturbing that they do not as a whole appear to care about the negative influence they do have on them. Even if it is not their intention to have that affect on them, it's common knowledge that they do. In my opinion, it's really selfish to blatantly overlook the greater good for the sake of profit.