Schizophrenia and Weight Loss

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Supporting each other - rather than her always supporting you - sounds like a very healthy thing for you, for your relationship and for her. But I can see how it would be hard for her to suddenly change the dynamic so kudos to both of you for working on it openly.
 
Kudos to you for being so supportive & loving. Your relationship will grow from strength to strength if you continue to be so open with one another. When you ask if we have had similar problems, mine were different. My husband supported me really well when I lost 36kg back in 2017, but became quite insecure. It took me ages to work out what was going on in his head & it was horrible. He feared I would lose weight & then leave him apparently. I have taken great care since then to reassure him. Your gf's self-esteem has obviously taken a battering since she was young. It will take time & lots of love for her to regain that. How lovely that you have one another! You will work it out. Cheers, Cate.
 
I feel like when we say "diet", we think of all these 'do this' and 'don't do that' rules. Like the word diet seriously sucks, doesn't it?

All diet actually means though is the food we eat. What's in our diet (what did we put in our bodies over the course of some time)?

I love the words lifestyle change when I'm having a hard day staying positive. This isn't going to stop someday just because I got to a certain goal. I'm not going to go eat 15 candy bars because I just lost 20lbs. Of course not! It's not a diet in the typical sense of the word - it's a change to my habits that are making my life more healthy and thus, making me happier.

It's great that you two are talking about this stuff. When parents try to make their kids diet, yeesh, there are SO many psychological implications. Like Cate said, it will take time but once she sees the changes are positive for her too, it will get easier. Humans like habit and comfort - when we get thrown out of that, it's weird. Once we get used to it though, it's back to comfortable and 'normal'.

I hope you both had a great day though and this new year gets off on the right foot.
 
New Year

Thank you for your kind and encouraging messages.

Things have been going very well. My girlfriend has opened up to me as a result of our support of each other. We feel very close and have both been slowly losing weight. I am getting close to being 14 pounds lighter than I was a few weeks before Christmas which I am really pleased about. I am feeling quite happy with the aesthetics of how I look now, but would like to lose more for fitness and Martial Arts purposes. I must admit I do miss food combining slightly, but feel much happier we are both on the same wavelength with how we are approaching food.

I have also been working out 5 times a week, running and stretching. I do a 12 minute warm up and cool down including stretches, then a 20 minute run at 75% of my maximum heartrate. It is quite hard to keep the pace down so I don't over do it, and does involve some walking to bring the bpm down. When I first started it felt like I wasn't doing much, but now I feel healthier and fitter and I really enjoy looking forward to my next run. Each day I end up going further within this time.

Unfortunately I did partially dislocate my kneecap on Friday, which has put my enjoyment on hold. I was doing Gracie Jiu Jitsu and my kneecap caught on the edge of the mat I was training on and it wrenched it off the correct alignment. Extremely painful, but it doesn't seem to be as bad as most people's in terms of swelling or damage. I am going to see a doctor this week, and will get a better idea from then, and hopefully some rehab exercises I can do to strengthen it. I am wearing a support for the time being to make it more stable. Really missing my run today, but got to think about the long term safety and health.

I hope everyone else is having a good start to 2017!
 
I'm glad that your GF has opened up & that you are doing this together. Well done on almost 14 lbs lost in about a month :D
YOUCH re your kneecap. Going to see a doctor this week? Wow. I think most people I know would have been straight to a hospital.
Happy New Year MS!
 
Hi and a belated welcome! Nice work so far! Bummer about the knee. Ice and NSAIDS until you see the doc.

There was a very nice woman on here some time ago actively dealing with schizophrenia. If you search for bluedragon you'll find her diary. I don't know whether she was ultimately successful in her weightloss goals, but she definitely had successes while she was here.

You have already found out that you'll have a positive and supportive group here.

I look forward to seeing your success!
 
Hi Quercus,

I have seen a doctor and a physiotherapist and they are quite positive about my knee. I've been told to not use the knee support anymore and given some strengthening exercises to do. It feels much more stable and I have been using it much more.

I read some of bluedragon's diary, interesting read. You seem to be quite well informed about mental illness... I like the Eleanor Longden TED talk. It was one of the first things that got me understanding my illness better. Through her I learned about the Hearing Voices Network, and from there I learned a lot about alternative ideas about mental health. In particular I learned that there were a lot of experts and patients who had learned that medication can be harmful, and that the illness is nearly always a result of negative experiences or trauma. In other words, medication stops you from dealing with the root cause, when something like psychotherapy would be better.

When antipsychotic medications were first introduced in the 60's, they were described as tranquilizers, and were known to numb and control difficult patients. Some how over the years the same drugs are being described as a cure for mental health illnesses. We are told they 'fix' a 'chemical imbalance', and yet there is no proof of an 'imbalance' in the first place or a 'fix' of this. This is the effects of pharmaceutical company advertising to doctors, for some of the most profitable drugs in the world. These are also drugs that are now being prescribed for life, essentially a money machine.

Now I don't want to get too negative about this. The doctors are doing the best with what they are taught and the resources they have available. In the UK, there is very little funding for these services and often doctors only see their patients once every 6 - 12 months for about 20 minutes. So what else can they do. At least these drugs manage the patients and on the whole stop them from becoming too out of control. Also if you want to deal with issues through psychotherapy, then you need to be a very honest and open person, willing to go through pain and difficult growth and face your problems. However, the government spends a lot of money on prescriptions for life, when maybe a healthier and more cost effective option could be available. These changes take a long time, and hopefully they will happen over my lifetime.

Unfortunately, although medication can be harmful, and even dangerous... It is even more dangerous to come off! Most people who are diagnosed with a mental health problem will be put on medication, then at some point feel like they don't like the side effects or the way it makes them feel and just stop taking it. This leads to the constant readmissions to hospital. The withdrawal reactions make people mentally unwell, so they keep relapsing, and getting worse diagnoses. Patients are stuck between a rock and a hard place, but there is an option.

This is why I am taking 2-3 years slowly reducing by 10% at a time with each of my medication in a slow and safe manner, and so far it is going really well. I am happier, more alive, and more able to direct my life in the way I want to direct it.

But, that is my rant over. My main focus now is the weight loss and getting fitter! However if anyone on this forum has issues with mental health and would like advice or someone to listen then you can get in contact with me.
 
Weight loss goals

So I have slowed down my weight loss, due to eating out for a Christmas present and not being as good as usual last weekend. I have also stopped running due to my knee, which will have had an effect. However it is still good progress by most people's standards. I have lost 2 pounds in 10 days or so.

I find it hard to stay positive when I over eat or don't lose weight as fast. I beat myself up, and tell myself that I am useless etc. When I am hard on myself I feel like I am failing and I then feel like there is no point or I might as well binge. I know my girlfriend does this also. However I have found I have done better, when I am kind to myself and say "if you look at the bigger picture you are making really good progress", or "you won't get it perfect first time, and you will learn how to do this better". So this is my goal for the future.

As my knee is getting better I might go for a light jog to see how it feels. I really would like to get back into running each day!
 
1) You have value regardless of your weight and whether or not you lose weight. Please remember that!
2) Psychotherapy is awesome but not a cure-all.
3) It's awesome that you can function well without meds but that doesn't mean everybody can. There's too much stigma on psychopharmaca use already.
4) Good luck with the knee.
 
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Success and struggles...

Today I had a great surprise... I stepped on the scales and I was sub 12 stone! 11 stone 13 3/4 pounds! This felt great, as 11 stone would be a really healthy weight for me to be at, and it feels like it is in reach now. It also means I am now in the healthy BMI weight range! I have been sticking to my healthy eating, and making small improvements along the way. I have also started training and running again, as my knee seems pretty solid. So life is good!

However I feel for my girlfriend. She says that she is only losing about 1/2 pound per week if that. This is confusing us both as she is eating a lot less calories than I am. She is finding it quite challenging as she feels like the beginning should be when you lose most weight, as you have more to lose. She feels like if it is this slow now, as she drops weight it is going to get even slower. The reward doesn't seem to fit the effort she is making.

I tried to frame it in a positive way. I said, not only are you losing weight, but are making sure you are not putting any more on, which is what was happening before, so the change is bigger than she realises. I also said, we all have challenges, and sometimes things are harder for one person than others. She has been on many diets and starved herself in the past, which is like trauma for the body, and this will affect her weight loss now. She has been on many diet pills, stopped eating a number of times, liquid only diets, and many other unhealthy diets. Last year she had her tonsils out, and stopped eating for about 3 weeks. Her body remembers this and thinks it needs to hold on the weight to survive, making it much harder to shift the fat. So for her, weight loss is going to be harder than most.

I tried to get her to see, how my challenges with mental health, mean I have to try harder to look after myself, and keep my mind healthy than other people, and her battle is different, but in a similar way it is her challenge. The other thing is that, all of this stuff can be improved on each week. We might not get things right first time, and we can make small changes as we go on to improve what we are doing. So perhaps the weight loss can speed up for her over time, as she builds up increasingly better habits when it comes to food.

I don't know if any of this helped, and I can see why she was upset. It doesn't help that I am losing weight much quicker, and I wish I could help her more. She is eating probably 500 calories less each day, and should therefore lose half a pound to a pound more each week. The only thing she is not doing is regular intense exercise. She does walk a lot, but I think she needs something that will get her heart rate up a bit more than this. I think she would like to cycle, so I will encourage this, but as I say to her, there is no rush, we will just make small adjustments each week until we get to where we want to go!
 
Men lose weight a LOT more easily than women on average. At the same height, age and built they tend to have somewhere around ten kilos of muscle mass more than their female counterparts, which doesn´t just make them burn more calories while exercising but also means they burn more calories while resting. And having done excessive dieting in the past makes weightloss slower. Half a pound a week under those circumstances is bloody awesome! If your partner is having trouble with the thought of "dieting" it may be easier for her to not weigh in at all (and not have you tell her about your scale changes) and measure progress in something like "what did I do today that was good for my body/mind that I might not have done a year ago?" The number on the scale is not nearly as important as treating your body with care and respect.
 
LaMa said just what I would like to say, but probably worded it better.
Well done MS on your weight-loss & positive changes!
 
Thank you LaMaria and cate,

I hadn't thought of it like that, and it makes a lot more sense! I knew guys burned more calories per day, but hadn't thought of why. I haven't told my girlfriend about my changes on the scale recently so that she isn't comparing us. I will just to encourage her to not use the scales in future, and focus on a healthier mindset!
 
Milestone...

Today I stepped on the scales and I was 11 stone 10 pounds. That means I have officially lost 1 1/2 stone since I began. I look and feel great, I can even start to see some shape to my abs coming through slightly. It is strange, it hasn't even felt that hard to do. During the week I am good though, especially as I am busy at home or out. I will eat only fruit for breakfast, then soup and bread for lunch and a salad for dinner in the car. It doesn't sound very substantial, but I don't mind it, in fact I really enjoy it.

In terms of my mental health, things are going really well also. I had a meeting with a psychiatrist today (20 minutes every 6 months!). He is happy for me to reduce my antidepressant next. Although he wanted me to reduce by a third every 2 weeks, which is a really bad idea, and really makes clear to me how little these doctors know about what they are doing. They are not trained on how to get people off medication as 90% of their role is to get people on medication. Then they wonder why people can't cope without their meds, and decide they need to be on them for life. I am going to reduce by 10% every 6 weeks, depending on how I feel. This is much safer, and will hopefully there are no reactions that effect my work etc.

I am interested to hear from people who have made lots of progress with their weight, and then put it back on... Why do you think that was the case? Was it a slow change, and you just got into bad habits, or was it a sudden exhaustion of your will power after 'trying' for so long?

Thanks for reading...
 
Great job both getting leaner and healthier and taking care of your meds reduction. I lost around 40 pounds twice and kept it off for several years each time. Reason for regaining: never solved the reasons why I´d gained weight in the first place so I started to self-medicate with sugar/fat again when I hit a larger snag.
 
Can we keep the weight off?

This last two weeks have been a slight change in my good work so far. I went away on a break with my girlfriend, and had some time off from work. We booked a meal out at a couple of really nice restaurants and didn't want our healthy eating to stop us trying what we wanted on the menu. To be honest we didn't eat right for a while as we were getting into the holiday spirit.

I was a little worried about the effect this would have on my weight, but was very surprised that my weight stayed completely the same after this period. The same was not the same for my girlfriend who confessed she had put 5 pounds back on. She was very upset as this was all the weight she had lost over the period of healthy eating over the last 2 months. Now I think she will find it will go down again when she measures as there is no way she ate 17,500 calories more than she burned. Maybe it is water weight, maybe it was after a big meal, I'm not sure.

After we got back from this time off we watched a very interesting program called 'Super Slimmers: Did They Keep the Weight Off?'. It basically explained how diets don't work which is what my girlfriend has been saying for a while. It followed the stories of some poster boys and girls in the weight loss world and how they put the weight back on afterwards. The main reason for this was that your body ends up burning less calories at rest, and the hormones that control hunger change so you want to eat more. There were only two people in the program that managed to keep the weight off. The first was a guy who became a personal trainer to make fitness and maintaining weight loss the most important thing in his life. He worked out 2 hours everyday to stay fit. The other was an organiser for Slimming World. The link I made here is that for both of them it was a case of 'needs must'. Both of their jobs relied on staying healthy and thin, and they made it the primary focus in their life. I wonder if for most people the fact that there aren't immediate consequences for gaining weight, there is not enough to stop us eating too much and not exercising. At the end of the day these mainly rely on will power, and the reserves for this are hard to maintain forever.

The program did end on a positive note though, they said the amount of calories you burn at rest won't change too much if you are losing a more modest amount of weight. For instance 10% reduction in weight may only change your daily calories burned by about 100 calories. It suggested making healthy lifestyle choices and exercising on a regular basis, but to not over do the weight loss, or making this you main focus, focus on a healthier life in general.

I am hoping that my training in the martial arts will help me have a reason to lose weight and keep it off.

What are your thoughts on the idea of dieting and the idea that it is very hard to keep it off? I think many people blame themselves when they put the weight back on, when in fact they have the history of evolution against them, and it is not really their fault. Have any of you managed to keep the weight off and not put it back on?
 
2 stone lost

Today was another big moment, I stepped on the scales and it read 11 stone 4 pounds (158 pounds) which means I have officially lost 2 stone (28 pounds) since just before Christmas!

That means despite diverting from healthy eating a month ago I have still managed to drop 6 pounds over this time. I also tried on a load of my old clothes that I haven't worn for years because they didn't fit me. I have a couple of suits that used to be tight years ago, and now they are loose! I worn one of them to a talk I did to 100 people. I felt great and really confident. It's amazing, when I first decided I was going to make a change with my weight I wrote down all the possible reasons that it would improve my life. I thought I was being over zealous with these ideas, but the truth is the reality is even more enjoyable, and transforming!

My girlfriend has also been very complimentary, she loves looking and touching my body! It's interesting as she always said I didn't need to loose weight, and that she would find it unattractive if I was too slim, but the reality she finds it attractive.

I am really happy with where I am a the moment, but I will aim to loose 10 more pounds for the benefit of training in martial arts. It will increase my endurance, speed and movement.
 
That's wonderful MS. I love hearing that you are really happy with where you are right now. I think it's important for people to see that it is possible& I am grateful to you for coming & sharing your story with the forum.
 
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