Overweight weight loss experts

I'm confused about what you are trying to argue there. Are you saying that even though those people were bad at what they did, they could still teach it? Or are you saying you need experience to teach?

Either way, there is a difference between teaching a skill and teaching knowledge. I don't think of losing weight as a skill.
 
That's where we disagree. A skilfull dieter/exerciser is one who can recognise the signs of early plateaus and adjust a plan to suit. It IS a skill and one that is gained from experience AND knowledge. First you have knowledge AND then comes the skill of being able to utilise the knowledge. In my previous message my analogy was that these coach had the knowledge and skill to teach it but, being as we are ALL individuals, couldn't ACTUALLY do it themselves....... That brings a 3rd factor into play...... natural ability. Or if you prefer in dieting/training parlance......GENETICS.
 
mizzie said:
I'm confused about what you are trying to argue there. Are you saying that even though those people were bad at what they did, they could still teach it? Or are you saying you need experience to teach?

Either way, there is a difference between teaching a skill and teaching knowledge. I don't think of losing weight as a skill.
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Some of it's knowledge. Most of it is something else, though, willpower, skill, or whatever you want to call it. We all know we are not supposed to eat that doughnut.

I try not to judge other people on their ability to resist eating the doughnut. We all have different chemicals coursing through our veins, so it's harder for some than others, I'm sure.
 
Whoe, settle down fitness dave. I might be reading this wrong, but the extensive use of caps lock is usually a sign of anger. I can accept that there is some skill involved in weight loss, but my opinion is that the skill is so individualistic that even true weight loss experts would have a hard time teaching it.

You use recognising the signs of a early plateau as an example. Well, ok, the signs of a plateau for me are probably going to differ from you. Advice on the skill side would be so general that it is often common sense. A huge part of it is learning what works for you and that everyone needs to do on their own, for the most part.

I'm just saying that I wouldn't discredit what someone has to say about weight loss simply because they haven't reached their goal weight and kept it off for a certain amount of time. Even overweight people might know a thing or two about it.
 
Hi Mizzie,
No my overuse of caps is purely for emphasism. I'm way too chilled to get angry. I'm missing something somewhere though. What I'm trying to say in my not so eloquent way is that there are no hard and fasts here. Experience, be it personal or gained through observation, skill at determining whats right and wrong, genetics, classroom type learning......whatever, it ALL goes into making a good dieter/trainer/advisor. It really is about balance. I'm hardly an adonis. I was at one stage in my bodybuilding days 196lbs with a 31" waist, huge shoulders, 6 pack and 19" biceps/triceps. I achieved that without steroids but employed a good healthy diet and training regime. I haven't trained seriously for over 3 years now but people who know me always ask my advice. I may no longer "look" like a successful bodybuilder but I've probably forgotten more than some guys are struggling to learn. Point is, I took the time and effort in the early days to get to know my body. How it responds to certain stimuli and foods, what works and, more importantly, what doesn't. And, yeah, I read a lot of books and magazines along the way. None of them were better than the hours spent in the gym busting my ass and then going home to weigh food.....all great experience which I now use to help my clients achieve their personal goals.
 
mizzie said:
Whoe, settle down fitness dave. I might be reading this wrong, but the extensive use of caps lock is usually a sign of anger.
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HAHAHAHA "extensive use of caps lock"...???

In 4 the posts he made before you said that, he used 9 words that were all caps. That's barely 2 all caps words a post. I uh...I don't think that's excessive at all. It's not like he was the dude on the new Old Spice commercials, like...

"It has POWER ODOR BLOCKERS and can block odors for SIXTEEN HOURS!!! It's so STRONG that it can KILL ODOR MOLECULES!!! POW, BAM!!! SUPER KICK!!! EXPLOOOOSIOOOOON!!! PA-PA-pa-PA-pa-pa-POWER!!!"
 
fitness dave said:
David Leadbetter was an average golfer....taught Faldo well though! Carl Lewis had a pretty good coach too. I was taught to drive a race car by a guy who, argueably, was one of the poorest competitors I've seen......it hasn't stopped me winning numerous races! One thing they all have......EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry but that is different. Apples and Oranges my friend.

Talent > Experience
 
KaraCooks said:
That may very well be the stupidest question I've ever read on this site - and I've seen a lot of stupid questions here.

Do you seriously not get that knowing how to do something doesn't mean that what you know is EASY to put into practice. It is fully possible to know how to do something and still struggle with doing it.

Wow. I'm just so boggled by your whole attitude and mindset. That lack of critical thinking is exactly what's wrong with people in the world - and in America - today.
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So these people would be more experts in the barriers to weight-loss rather than weight-loss?

Remember, there are no stupid questions.
 
Well, I think this is a really good example of why Bro science is so popular! People would rather trust a guy who looks like Arnold even if he's juicing than someone who doesn't have the hulking muscles but who actually does the research and knows how its done.

There's more to weight loss than just understanding - and if you're lucky you can lose weight without any understanding.

Again, while an overweight 'expert' wouldn't inspire confidence in me, I'd be more interested in how successful s/he was with clients than personally. 90%+ success rate and I don't care if you look like Jabba the Hutt :p
 
I have a waaay easier way of measuring how much trust you should put in all these experts, it is a series of discontinuation-of-trust questions.

1: Do they recommend any sort of woo? (oprah for instance would fail miserably in this question, giving speaking time to anti vaccine retards etc.)

2: Do they sell anything? (this is where all the alt.med people usually fail since they just HAPPEN to have this bleh bleh crap for sale that is just COINCIDENTALLY what you need)

3: Do they promise abnormally fast/easy weight loss? (the single exception to this is the usually doctor administered VLC diet that consists of powdered nutrients (nupo etc.))

4: are they giving you advice through the television screen or unsolicited internet advice?

5: Does any of the following words or bunch-of-words take part in their advice: "Big pharma", "toxins", "big science" and/or "grass fed"?

and finally

6: Have said adviser ever been on oprah or any talk shows like it?

If you can answer yes to ANY of those questions, chances are you're dealing with someone you really shouldn't be listening to. Notice where weight didn't figure in there? I know I'd say around half of what is considered the most prominent, experienced, talented and sought after doctors in the country I live in, we're a small country, and I'd say that around 80% of them live really... really... really... unhealthy lifestyles. Knowledge about a subject has nothing to do with adhering to that knowledge, unfortunately.
 
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