Obesity Educator With Questions

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Educator said:
You asked how I am personally affected by obesity. Here is the short list.

I have a 29" waist and I weigh 150 pounds. It used to be that pants with a 29" waist we common place. Now even 32" waist are rare.

I spend a lot of time in hotels as my job requires much travel. Fat people wreck mattresses. You get an obese couple in a bed there can be well over 1/3 or a TON wrecking a mattress. Material science cannot work miracles.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, HAHAHA, HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA, ARE YOU SERIOUS? I just spit my orange juice all over the place. Holy shit, you are FUNNY.

Seriously though, you are absolutely ridiculous. You're bitching about mattresses being "ruined" by fat people. That is what annoys you about sleeping on a hotel room's mattress. Not the disgusting amount of bodily fluids, including semen, blood and spit...no, not that...but the fact that fat people sleep on them.

Ridiculous.

Educator said:
Being that 70% of Americans are fat or obese their food tastes dictate to restaurants and stores what foods are sold. Healthy food is becoming more scarce. Fat people eat at least 90% of the food that is consumed.
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Working in various restaurants throughout the past few years (and graduating near the top of my class in culinary school, where we actually did research on this exact subject), I am just going to say that you are dead wrong about that.

Consumers don't dictate what foods are being sold by different companies and restaurants; it's the other way around. McDonald's didn't start selling fat-laced hamburgers because that is what people wanted. McDonald's started selling fat-laced hamburgers because it was cheap, easy to prepare and quick to serve. It was the speed of the service, NOT THE FOOD, that made people start eating McDonald's.

Also, healthy food is NOT becoming scarce. There are more healthy food options than unhealthy ones. Look around your local grocery store and take inventory. If you actually pay attention and look at what is available, you will see that the amount of healthy food greatly outnumbers the amount of unhealthy food. The only reason that you don't see the healthy food is because of what I said before...

It is easier for you, as a consumer, to buy unhealthy food, so that is all you look for. Since that is all you look for, that is all you see.

Educator said:
And the cost to the economy in lost working days and extra healthcare costs is a staggering $45bn a year, it found.

Obesity, it reported, was responsible for a 36 per cent increase in spending on healthcare services, more than smoking or problem drinking.

Steve, you may be the only one here who will appreciate this article. It is enlightening
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Steve, don't read that article. It is completely uncredible garbage that says absolutely nothing.

How can you honestly think that link is a credible resource to support your argument?

Educator said:
There is a saying that goes, "If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem." I have helped to reform over 20 gluttons in the past year. They have gone on to reform other gluttons. I know... people cringe at the word glutton or gluttony but that is what I use to describe chronic over eating.
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So, according to that saying you just referred to, you are part of the problem. You're not helping anybody here, which means that you are part of the problem. Congratulations.

Educator said:
I challenge my clients. I challenge everyone here to prove they too are not gluttons. I am not talking some theoretical psycho babble and excuse making. I ask them to convince me with common sense that they are not indeed gluttons. It make them do something they don't do often enough and that is think. When that happens Steve, they drop the usually BS real quick and focus on reality and the task at hand. If they want to dance some shrink or nutritionist around then they would be fools to do it. I really want to help them so I don't let them dance me around. I lead them to what the need to know and I don't just tell them what they want to hear. I know how to get their heads right. When that happens I guide them into learning the the real mecahincs of weight loss. Very often when they stop using food for a crutch they deal with any "emotional or psychological" disorder. What usually happens is they find their real problem was they simply liked food to much and that they like most fat Americans are simply food centric and weak-willed. They end up stronger for it.
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How are people supposed to convince you that they're not gluttons? What exactly do you want them to do? Stop eating?

Once again, not all cases of obesity are due to over eating. People have actual medical and biological disorders which can cause them to be obese. Trying to convince those people that they are sloppy gluttons isn't going to solve anything. You may think that you know what you're talking about, but it's obvious to everybody who reads your BS that you don't.
 
Educator said:
No one is interested in my "uneducated drivel"? They sure seem to be responding. Usually people who are interested ignore stuff the are not interested in.
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You know how to lose weight. A child knows how to lose weight.

But, you are a social DISASTER. You know nothing about real people, with real feelings. You know nothing of society other than whatever statistics you can find on the internet.

The ONLY reason you have a wife is because you were a single step up from an abusive husband. She was desperate to get with anything better than him, that doesn't make you a good person, it makes you a little better than an abusive husband. You could be the biggest douche bag in the world, and as long as you don't hit her or say mean things to her she doesn't care.
 
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LowFatMilk said:
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Your posts have certainly been full of blah blah blah

We'll see how permanent that is.:sifone: Every fatty can "reform" with a douche bag breathing down their back. Fatties can reform while they're on the Biggest Loser, and in Brookhaven.

I don't breath down their necks. I think the Biggest Loser is shameful exploitation and unrealistic. I teach people how to do it on their own.

Brookhaven is a whole other thing. They pamper those ungrateful beasts. If I were the director of Brookhaven and one of them started whining they way they always do I would show them the door.

But as soon as that environment changes, :sifone: I bet a good chunk of your fatties will go back to their old ways. You are not motivational, you're a broken record who people have listened to because they want you to stop talking.

Actually I don't tell them much of anything. I allow them to discover the truth people like you would like to deny. They reform because once they admit what they have become they are so uncomfortable with their attitudes and behaviors they change permanently. When they see the error of their ways and they learn to be humble and altruistic and stop being greedy and egoistic they change. Once reformed they quickly recognize the behaviors and attitude in unreformed gluttons.



And yet, there's room for improvement there.



You know who else is costing a lot of money and not benefiting you? Iraq! And you know who else? All of the people claiming disability benefits a year. You know what those nasty people with Cystic Fibrosis are doing? They're takin' up all the antibiotics!!! You know what those people with PKU are doing? They're eatin' up all them vegetables! And here they are getting benefits on your dime.

You have the audacity to compare people with real diseases with people who have willfully made themselves unhealthy. It is morbidly obese people who hog medical resources from the needy and frail elderly. I have compassion for smokers and drunks and druggies. I have a lot of compassion for the sick. I have even more compassion for the damaged babies born to fat mothers who cared more about eating their usual slop than the human being growing in their uterus.

Let's just kill them all. Every fatty, every retard, everyone with a disability, or health issue who is costing money. If you lost your arm in an unfortunate accident and can't work? Dead. If you live in the Middle East? Dead. Old people not working? Dead dead dead. Cremate them all, it's cheaper than paying for caskets. Yessir, then they'll be out of your way. They won't be costing you money, they won't be eating your food, they won't be dirtying your water, hell, less crowds at your favorite amusement parks.
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If you want to put a NAZI label on someone look in the mirror. No decent person has a problem with charity for the less fortunate. Only a real nasty loser who willfully harms himself would have the gall to compare their self induced plight with that of people who truly are tragic victims. Fat people like you often portray themselves and tragic victims. I am surprised that you did not compare yourselves with the plight of Blacks during the civil right movement. Maybe you should declare yourself the Martin Luther King of all the poor downtrodden fatling minority.. Oops I forgot we normal people are now the minority and the obese are the new normal. Silly me.
 
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Educator said:

If you want to put a NAZI label on someone look in the mirror. No decent has a problem with charity for the less fortunate. Only a real nasty loser who willfully harms himself would have the gall to compare their self induced plight with that of people who truly are tragic victims. Fat people like you often portray themselves and tragic victims. I am surprised that you did not compare yourselves with the plight of Blacks during the civil right movement. Maybe you should declare yourself the Martin Luther King of all the poor downtrodden fatling minority.. Oops I forgot we normal people are now the minority and the obese are the new normal. Silly me.
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And stupid too.

You couldn't even see that what I said was the impression I got of you. That's the message that you're giving off- that if it doesn't benefit you, you don't want it.
 
lil debi said:
First of all, people are obese for many reasons. Medical and psychological reasons. Most do not have the break with reality required to deem them insane. You cannot lock a person up for being a danger to themselves for more than the time required to evauluate thier mental health, unless they are found to be insane. This is usually limitted to 72 hours. How much weight can one lose in 72 hours?

In my experience, obese people have problems with self esteem that influence their eating. Berating obese people on this forum does nothing to help that problem.

I have no idea how you think my being obese is any more of a threat to society at large than are your enraging comments. Negativity kills.

I am here to find inspiration to lose weight. It is a constant battle, and there have been times where I ate 1500 calories or less and worked out with a trainer 3 times a week, and on my own 3 times a week, and GAINED fat! After that I gave up. I felt that no one believed me about my efforts. I was called names, as an adult by adults. I reverted to my comfort - food. When I eat, I am not trying to kill myself. I am not committing suicide, as there is no intent.

So here I am trying not to give up again when I run into your ugly, ugly posts.

I have personal experience with having to involuntarily commit someone that I love to an institution for his mental health. That was an horrific event, and the long term consequences are awful. The only reason for it was to save his life and keep him from trying to kill my father.

When you talk about involuntary commitment, think about your closest loved ones. Under what circumstances would you have them physically restrained against their will? You will likely never have a good relationship with them again. They will never trust you. They will have post traumatic stress from having been taken hostage. Their life and yours will be irrevocably changed.

And if you have this done to them, and they are not found to be insane, how will that affect their life and yours? Abduction doesn't strengthen realtionships. Kidnapping doesn't lead to self worth. Holding someone hostage doesn't change their longterm eating habits.
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You said some very interesting things that are worth of my commentary and consideration but with all due respect I think most of what you say is a crock.

People become obese and stay obese for one reason and one reason only. They take in far too many calories every day. There is NO evidence that the fat or obese have any particular psychological problems that make them eat. Many Viet Nam vets had PSTD and they did not become obese. Look at John McCain and John Kerry and all the other POWs. Then we have the Holocaust survivors and they never got obese. I have had the honor of knowing several of them and they were normal, humble and generous with food.

If someone is deemed a danger themselves or others by a judge and a doctor they can be committed for 72 hours. If in the judgment of a doctor they are still a danger they will stay. It they are released and continue the dangerous behavior they can be recommitted. I was trying to have an academic discussion about the legalities of committing morbidly and super morbidly obese people to treatment facilities. All the dieters here became quite histrionic.

There is a popular notion that obese people have low self esteem. They data actually suggests that they have higher self esteem than normal people. When a person ties his or her self esteem to something conditional and vain like their appearance is shows they are very egoistic. The people who really suffer from low self esteem are people who diet and workout obsessively. They are afraid to be seen in public unless they are "perfect". Fat people don't care all that much how they look because if they did they would not allow themselves to become fat.

I am very successful in helping fat people reform. I am not a cheerleader, I am not a support system, I am not a motivator and I am not a teacher. I am an educator and a problem solver. I give people the tools they need to get the job done. If you had a trainer and he did not help you then you got ripped off. I will PM you and I will try to help you.

Let's discuss sanity and insanity. Is repeating the same behavior and expecting different results sane? Is eating oneself into poor health sane? Is sitting around and debating whether to do intervention for someone who is clearly self destructive sane?

Ugly? You think my posts are ugly? Have you ever seen anyone get their leg amputated because of type 2 diabetes? That is ugly. Have you ever seen that same obese person rolling around wal-mart in a power scooter and filling their cart with horrible food? That is ugly? Have you ever thought about the undertaker preparing their corpse and the family that has to order a super sized coffin? That's ugly?

We really walk on eggshells when dealing with the morbidly obese. We will intervene with a druggie or alcoholic. We will say nasty things to nicotine addicts about their "nasty habit" but we look at chronic over eaters and provide excuses and absolution that IMO are not deserved or helpful. The cure rate for other substance abusers is 35% but the cure rate for gluttony is only 2%.
 
maleficent said:
Why should she prove anything to you...
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So that I have proof she is being honest. That's why. Can you prove that YOU are not a glutton? Can you? Because if you can you will really make me look dumb. I bet you would like that huh? You would be a big hero here.

I suspect that you may be or may have been a glutton. Tell me why my suspicions are unfounded.
 
Educator said:
So that I have proof she is being honest. That's why. Can you prove that YOU are not a glutton? Can you? Because if you can you will really make me look dumb. I bet you would like that huh? You would be a big hero here.

I suspect that you may be or may have been a glutton. Tell me why my suspicions are unfounded.
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I don't have a whole lot to say...except for this. Mal is a big hero here. I admire her more than I can adequately express with words.

I can't say the same for you as I only see you trying to instigate crap.
 
So asshole. [and I call you one with the most endearing smile on my face knowing that I'm 100% correct and no one would say other wise.]


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I want you to get off your high horse, move those fingers of yours, type in the word "fat gene" into google and look at ALL the listings of how there has been a fat gene proven. Not everyone can claim it, not everyone has it but it's there.

Point 1 for me.
Point 1 for medical science.

You, need to jump off a bridge, there's a common stupidity gene, unfortunally, it only arises in those who hate fat people because we crush mattresses.
 
Educator said:
So that I have proof she is being honest. That's why. Can you prove that YOU are not a glutton? Can you? Because if you can you will really make me look dumb. I bet you would like that huh? You would be a big hero here.

I suspect that you may be or may have been a glutton. Tell me why my suspicions are unfounded.
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Can YOU prove that YOU'RE not a glutton?

I'll just sit here in the corner, awaiting your proof...

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ChefChiTown said:
Can YOU prove that YOU'RE not a glutton?

I'll just sit here in the corner, awaiting your proof...

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You'll have to make space in that corner for him because that's where his crazy talk is getting him. He sounds like someone who has a problem with overweight people.

What wtf is up with calling everyone "fat people"? It can't be "overweight" or "obese"...it has to be "fat"? It sounds rude. How do we know you're not overweight and just hiding behind a computer preaching to us so you can feel some sort of accomplishment? :ack2:
 
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