Not Getting Stronger

My roommate and I go to the gym 5 days-a-week. Monday-Friday. We do chest & arms one day, and abs, back, legs the next. We eat well, no fast food, no soda, but not perfect. We try to increase weight on some of our workouts, but it's just not working. We aren't getting any bigger or any stronger.
We take whey protein after we work out and take nothing else.
Can someone recommend anything to get over this plateau? What to do, or what to take?
Thanks for any help.
 
Read weight training 101. 5 days a week is too much, and body part splits are ineffective and leave too much time inbetween body parts.

You should do either and upper/lower split or a full body workout. upper lower would require 4 days a week and full body 3, personally I'd do full body if I were you. That is what works best for most people and certainly how I got the most gains.
 
My roommate and I go to the gym 5 days-a-week. Monday-Friday. We do chest & arms one day, and abs, back, legs the next. We eat well, no fast food, no soda, but not perfect. We try to increase weight on some of our workouts, but it's just not working. We aren't getting any bigger or any stronger.
We take whey protein after we work out and take nothing else.
Can someone recommend anything to get over this plateau? What to do, or what to take?
Thanks for any help.

1. Lay your routine out "specifically": What exercises you do, and what days of the week

2. You didnt mention your diet------in the caloric sense. You can consume all the nutrition you want (past new to weight training gains), and you will NOT gain one once of tissue, and your strength gains will be severely hampered, if your caloric deficit is severe.

3. Have you configured your calorie maintenance line?

If not I can show you how to do this.



Chillen
 
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Read weight training 101. 5 days a week is too much, and body part splits are ineffective and leave too much time inbetween body parts.

You should do either and upper/lower split or a full body workout. upper lower would require 4 days a week and full body 3, personally I'd do full body if I were you. That is what works best for most people and certainly how I got the most gains.

mind elaborating on this?
 
I never started making significant gains until I "saw the light" and started on the full body workouts. Squats and deadlifts will put hair on your chest, and you can really see gains when you base your workouts on these core excercises. If you are relatively new to the game, as I am, don't even bother with isolation excercises...concentrate on compound techniques.

also, give some answers to Chillens questions and you'll get some real, educated advice. He's offering, so take him up on it...you will be motivated by that guy!
 
mind elaborating on this?

Actually, this doesn't pertain so much to his particular workout. What i meant was body split days leave too much time inbetween muscles you'll use. Lets say you have mondays to work chest and only chest, well, you ahve 6 days until you work chest again. That's too much time inbetween, where as with full body or upper lower split there is one or 2 days inbetween working a muscle group.

In his case, if he does that he isn't leaving enough rest time and possibly not training efficiently. As an upper lower split (as it sounds like he's trying to say, though back would be worked both times, because of rows on upper day and deads on lower day) should have a pattern of something like U L break UL break break repeat.

More than likely since he has mentioned the groups of muscles he does in a day then he is isolating those groups, which I may also mention is not as effective as doing compound exercises, generally these exercises will help you get strong:
deadlift
squat
bench
bent over row
military press
pullups

curls, skull crushers, etc. are secondary, and not essential imo
 
Well i do a fbw mon/wed/saturday.
From Wed --> Sat wouldn't be considered too much time in between would it?
sorry for hijacking thread..just a side question
 
Read weight training 101.

1. Lay your routine out "specifically": What exercises you do, and what days of the week

2. You didnt mention your diet------in the caloric sense. You can consume all the nutrition you want (past new to weight training gains), and you will NOT gain one once of tissue, and your strength gains will be severely hampered, if your caloric deficit is severe.

3. Have you configured your calorie maintenance line?

Also, how long have you actually been working out for?

These answers please. You can eat whey by the tub but its not Miracle Grow. Also AZN, he never said he was doing a split routine...

You probably need to eat more :D
 
Sorry I didn't make it too clear.
I am doing somewhat of a split routine. Every other day I switch off..
Day 1:
Dumbbell bench, increasing 10 lbs each rep. 60 lbs dumbbells, 65, 70.
- Curling dumbbells while standing in between each bench
Butterflies with the cable machine sitting down, increasing weight like before by one plate
- Using dumbbells between each set behind my neck to hit triceps
Incline bench like before but with lower weight, 45, 50, 55
- Doing bicep curls on cable machine sitting down between reps
Various cable exercises for checst, bicep, tricep to wrap it up

Day 2:
Holding dumbbells at side, doing shoulder (traps) lifts
Holding dumbbells at side, doing oblique "leans."
Sitting down hitting shoulders with dumbbells on an upright bench, increasing weigh 40. 45. 50
Holding dumbbells at side lifting straight up with elbows straight.
Squats
Sitting down on the leg press machine
Quad machine
Hitting back on the butterfly machine, sitting opposite

Sorry I don't know the technical terms for all these work outs
I am also using dumbbells a lot to try to isolate because my right side is significantly stronger than my left so I will try to do a bit more with my left.

I am taking whey, i know it wont get me any bigger but I hear a lot of good things about it. Is there anything else you guys recommend taking, as far as getting stronger/bigger. I know they whey isn't helping much, just taking it to be healthy I guess.
 
I appreciate you displaying your workout routine, and I will take a look at it; however, you have to understand the ultimate connection of strength and growth:



Correct diet/nutrition + weight training + rest/recuperation = proper environment for strength/muscle growth.


I want you to give us information on your caloric content for the time period you say you didnt get any strength gains.

Also answer my others questions, in addition to bipennate's questions
 
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I don't keep track of what I eat, although I make sure not to eat too many fatty foods. I know this is vary basic. What I can tell you is that I don't drink soda or eat fast food, although I am not just eating salads and chicken breasts. I have been working out for about 3 years off and on. I'd say about 8 months with this routine I have been on.

Do you guys recommend any creatine or supliments? I hear that creatine just puts water in your muscles to make you look bigger, is this true?
 
These answers please. You can eat whey by the tub but its not Miracle Grow. Also AZN, he never said he was doing a split routine...

You probably need to eat more :D

yeah he did... he didn't say he was doing a body part split, that was my bad, but he is doing a split

Well i do a fbw mon/wed/saturday.
From Wed --> Sat wouldn't be considered too much time in between would it?
sorry for hijacking thread..just a side question

not at all that's the same as M W F becasue it's just Saturday Monday Wednsday if you tihnk about it, still a day inbetween for 2 of them and then 2 days off. and since ur doing full body ur fine.

I am taking whey, i know it wont get me any bigger but I hear a lot of good things about it. Is there anything else you guys recommend taking, as far as getting stronger/bigger. I know they whey isn't helping much, just taking it to be healthy I guess. Do you guys recommend any creatine or supliments? I hear that creatine just puts water in your muscles to make you look bigger, is this true?
whey is just protein, you need it to grow (keeping in mind you need carbs and healthy fats too) I wouldn't take anytihng else if I were you. I haven't taken creatine, but you should probably wait a year or more (I'd wait until I plateaued) until you've actually gotten into lifting before you think about taking something other than whey.


As for your workout. Like I said, compounds are best. Drop curls and skull crushers and w/e unless you want to do a set or two at the end.

Deadlift and Squat are you BEST friends followed closely by
Bench, BO Row, Military Press, and Pullups.

I'd avoid all machines unless you wanted to use a cable machine to do cable rows (as a substitute for BO rows)
 
It is funny how people do say to eat more without any additional advice, but I believe it's so true for many people. I used to just eat and think I was getting enough, but until I crunched the numbers, and made out a diet plan, I didn't realize how much you truly have to eat. Knowing how much you are getting in can make the difference between no gains and huge gains.
 
I don't keep track of what I eat


You start tracking your calories, or I WILL HIDE IN YOUR CLOSET with a bull horn, and yell:


"YOU MUST TRACK YOUR CALORIES, YOU MUST TRACK YOUR CALORIES"

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Okay, let me be frank:

You have a strength/growth problem, young man. And, this problem can be monumentally improved by knowing whether you are in a deficit or surplus in calories; flying by the seat of your pants in the diet arena hasnt worked has it? What was that? I didnt quite hear ya........?

The answer: NO it hasnt.

Since you are new to training and not well adversed in the caloric content of foods you consume to be able to obtain a rough estimate of what you are consuming and apply this consumption to benefit your personal caloric Maintenance Line and mentally approximate whether you are in a surplus or deficit, I flat recommend you learn about the calories of foods, track your calories, and create a surplus, and this will create a bodily environment to make potential growth/strength increase happen. This is the PRIMARY KEY TO YOUR SUCCESS.

Let me make myself clear:

Protein supplements and other supplements like Creatine ARE NOT MIRACLE WORKERS you have too much focus on supplements.

In addition, Protein ISNT A MIRACLE WORKER: It simply cannot create muscle OUT OF NOTHING.

What I mean is, if you are in a catabolic state (body feeding on itself for food, and which deficit diets create), you can consume tub afer tub of protien in this example, and your flat wasting your time.

Our bodies need protein everyday with or without weight training, but.......you would not be creating an "optimal" enviroment to use the the protein to "assist" in building "additional" muscle tissue (if in deficit, and not enough surplus); instead its more akin to trying to "maintain" and "repair" what it has because you are weight training----BUT...you are .."possibly" not eating enough and "possibly" eating in a deficit, and thus this is counterproductive to the goal you seek........>UNDERSTAND?

A calorie is a unit of energy.....

THUS......


More energy then needed to maintain the body, will allow the body to produce more tissue........through the USE of this extra energy and nutrients.

Think of it like a light bulb: Flip the switch and the bulb turns off (deficit diet=no tissue growth, past new to training gains) there is no energy supplied and it doesnt work. Flip the switch again, and the bulb turns on because energy is supplied (surplus calorie environment leads to muscle growth)


You have to get your diet in SHAPE to make your SWEAT IN THE GYM pay off GREAT!


Do you want the same results in the next 4 weeks? What was that I didnt quite here ya.............?


The answer: No, I dont........

Okay, your body will remain the same unless you give it a reason to change.


Before I go into what you have been doing in the weight room (and ask more questions), I first want the issue of the almighty calorie understood; therefore, I want you to configure your MT LINE........BY YOURSELF, and post this information------ON YOUR NEXT POST!.......UNDERSTOOD?=========================================================
Here is the information you need, young man:



The road to potentially bulking:


The road to your goal, is gaining knowledge of calories and nutrition within a diet proportioned to your age, wgt, hgt, and gender, which includes associated activities.

Then developing a scheduled training plan per week (which allows recuperation time) that compliments---a clean diet. When both are developed, then the key is consistency and then watching, looking, and being very mindful, of your bodily responses to your diet and training stimulus.



Surplus dieting is the MAIN thing that does the job.

Some Basic information that can lead you to weight tissue gain

Calorie calculation is an approximation science, remember this. Through your journey WATCH, LOOK, and LISTEN, to your body..........it will TELL YOU if your doing the correct things or combination of things!


○ Change your eating habits (below are some suggestion examples)

○ Substitute an artificial sweetener of your choice in the replace of refined white sugar (Refrain from Refined Sugar like you would a disease)

○ Try eating 5 to 6 smaller meals during the day

○ Balance your meals out during the day so in one day you have a mix of protein, carbohydrate and good fats

○ Drink lots of water during the day and before, during and after exercise

○ Simple Carb Examples: Grapefruit, Watermelon, Cantaloupe, Strawberries, Oranges, Apples, Pineapple, etc

○ Complex Carb Examples: Whole Wheat Pita Bread, Oatmeal, Long Grain Brown Rice, Brown Pasta, Malto-Meal (Plain, whole wheat),etc

○ Good Protein Examples: White or Dark Tuna, Chicken Breast, Lean Turkey, Lean Ham, Very lean Beef, Quality Whey Protein Powder,, etc

○ Good Fats Examples: Natural Peanut Butter, Various Nuts, Flax Seed, Fish Oils.

This is what you need to do:

This an approximation science, but you can narrow it down very close, if your meticulous in your vision when looking at the data.

Tweak your desire and passion by educating yourself on the basic requirements of losing fat tissue. With your age, sex, height, and weight, in mind, find your approximated base calorie needs (this is organ function, breathing, or bodily function needs). One can use the Benedict Formula.

Calculate your BMR:

The Harris Benedict equation determines calorie needs for men or woman as follows:

• It calculates your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) calorie requirements, based on your height, weight, age and gender.

• It increases your BMR calorie needs by taking into account the number of calories you burn through activities such as exercise.

This gives you your total calorie requirement or approximated Maintenance Line (I call it the MT Line).

Step One : Calculate your BMR with the following formula:

•Women: BMR = 655 + (4.35 x weight in pounds) + (4.7 x height in inches) - (4.7 x age in years)
•Men: BMR = 66 + (6.23 x weight in pounds) + (12.7 x height in inches) - (6.8 x age in years)

Step Two : In order to incorporate activity into your daily caloric needs, do the following calculation:

•If you are sedentary : BMR x 1.2
•If you are lightly active: BMR x 1.375
•If you are moderately active (You exercise most days a week.): BMR x 1.55
•If you are very active (You exercise daily.): BMR x 1.725
•If you are extra active (You do hard labor or are in athletic training.): BMR x 1.9



The calorie surplus margin is just an example:

Apply this knowledge by going over the approximated MT Line (approximated Maintenance line), say for example, a +500c per day, for about 1 week.

Before the week begins, weigh yourself in the AM when you FIRST get up (do not eat yet) (remember your clothing, preferably with just underwear and t-shirt or like clothes).

Note the time, and the approximated wgt.

Each day spread your caloric content out throughout the day (keep the body fed, with calories in the 300 to 500c approximated calories each meal), or a like division which mirrors your end caloric deficit limit (meaning MT +500c).

This way you have your entire day and body encircled with nutrition (I assume you already know to eat clean), which if your eating right, will give an approximated good energy.

At the end of the week, on the same day, the same time, with the same like clothes, weigh yourself again. Note whether you lost or gained tissue (or weight I mean).


If this didn't happen, this means you need to make finer adjustments, and the MT line is not accurate, and you need to adjust this on your own.

Based upon the FEEDBACK your body is giving you, ask yourself how faithful you were on the diet, AND how faithful in training (whether you kept the training schedule (if you didn't, this would effect the caloric equation, no?!), AND how accurate you figured in your activities caloric wise.........but, you have the base information to begin making adjustments.
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The Nutrients are an essential factor in the diet; however, the law of energy balance within the DIET, is the ultimate KING while the Nutrients can play in some decisions made within the body.

Do yourself a favor, figure out your MT line, adjust off of this, eat well balanced spaced out meals (DONT EVER starve YOURSELF), AND listen to your body for the results.

While you are trying to figure out your body, IT WILL PAY YOU BACK, I promise. You have to learn to MASTER yourself to become the master of weight loss for YOURSELF.
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"Let your inner vision cultivate your ultimate exterior expression" —Chillen

"The strongest inner feeling that prevails will result in the exterior expression" –Chillen

"Your cultivation and manifestation of thought accumulated within your reasoning will determine your outcome"----Chillen
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The most effective beginning is to look at your diet, and make a diet journal in my opinion, THEN work in a training program around this diet.

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You must have "some obsession".

Have controlled obsession (and obsession to a---Point, is necessary), but some lose this obsession once they learn the amount of work it requires. There eyes then widen and then the obsession then pops right out. Dont let this happen to you: Raise your Want-o-Meter to a new higher level.







Best Regards,


Chillen
 
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I have been working out for about 3 years off and on. I'd say about 8 months with this routine I have been on.

Do you guys recommend any creatine or supliments? I hear that creatine just puts water in your muscles to make you look bigger, is this true?

Give me your approximated MT LINE (see my other post). One step toward the positive in overcming this problem is developing a sound diet------PLAN.


1. Knowing your MT LINE with Activities included

2. Develop a small caloric surplus to create the environment for tissue growth

3. Implement a sound pre and post workout meals

4. Eat multiple meals throughout the day, but dont get stressed out if you miss a meal, this ISNT the killer, what is the killer, is not eating enough calories in a 24 hour period. Just make it up. Develop a sound eating pattern arounf what you do........I dont want to here you cant either. You want your goal? Do what IT TAKES...............>:)


Throw the Creatine in the trash, you dont need it.

This is what you need:

A sound diet plan + a good FBW or upper/lower Split routine + proper rest + your mind/spirit = results.


One more thing: DONT EVER WAIT 8 months before seeking and/or taking action-----AGAIN. This is FAR TO LONG. ALWAYS have a time frame to gauge your progress to look at yourself presently and look back and reflect........and correct......if its necessary.........


Best wishes to you, my friend


Chillen
 
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