My view on the word DIET

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thoughtsfropete

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Ok, here is a thread I fear could lose my status, however, let me put a disclaimer first that I am not making any personal attacks, this is just a general view from a snippet of my information. Enjoy : )

Talking about the power of words, I find it difficult to associate any happy or positive feelings with the word DIET. First of all, the word has been so overwhelmed with quick fixes and magic pills that it has completely lost its purpose and secondly, it has become a GREAT association for many people to make excuses about their weight.

“I am on a diet right now,” or “I am starting this new diet thing on Monday,” is basically a way of saying that “I am on a diet right now because overweight people are supposed to do diets, that’s who we are.”

Are you getting a little perturbed? Good, if you are it means that you do not want to associate yourself with the many people in this world that are just making excuses about their lack of success or should I say trying when it comes to idyllic health and wellbeing. YOU are the creator of your reality, you shape and form the person that you want to become with every breathe, thought and decision that you make. The word diet has resulted in a world of dieters in which over 90% fail in their quest to what is simply living a good life.

“We have passed responsibility of our weight and health over to a non-tangible thing that we call diet. In doing this we have lost stimulation to take responsibility ourselves as at the end of it all if it didn’t work.............................................. ........

We can always blame the diet.”
Put all the pieces of the puzzle together, read everything that you can about being healthy and make it a top priority to be happy as when you are happy it helps your body to function with less stress and a more alkaline environment, thus, supporting and helping you to your ideal weight.

Yours in massive success,

Peter Scott
 
I think you have to keep in mind that the word "diet" has more than one meaning. A diet (in the sense of Atkins, South Beach, etc) doesn't ever work in the long run and, in all reality, isn't healthy for you at all. But, your diet (in the sense of what you eat) is the only thing that will help you lose weight.

Plus, people who use a "failed diet" as an excuse as to why they are still fat are making plenty of other excuses as well.
 
Thanks for your reply,

Absolutely agree on the various meaning's of diet, and as originally said, this is only a snippit of information.

The subconscious mind is a poweful thing and does not associate between what is good and what is bad. The truth here is that the subconscious will run programme's based upon the external experiences of the individual and for every EXTERNAL solution e.g. DIET'S gives the individual a conscious opportunity to either embrace it and use it for success or unfortunately and on many occassions "really what the original message was about," take it on in the HOPE that thing will be the cure or the solution but without the person taking responsibility and just saying "this thing (diet,) is going to be the solution!" - Of course there being many pieces of the puzzle to successful weight loss, by just seeing a diet as the magic bullet, the gaping holes in the person's strategy for weight loss are soon revealed sucking down the person's hopes and goals.

Thus, all in all, creating a MASS belief of "it isn't me, it's my diet," or if we discuss further "it isn't me, it's my personal trainer, my job, my family, my other commitments, my bad back, my my my my etc....."

Individuals who want to lose weight MUST BE STRONG and honest with themselves. Diet's do not actually fail, people do, although the only failing is giving up when you could have succeeded.

1) Health and wellness must be a priority.

2) The individual must believe they can do it.

3) They must action their words.

Sorry to give a long winded feedback message to you, but I am very passionate about ensuring that my words are clear and precise.

Pete
 
I agree with ChefChiTown. You can't keep up a "diet" (Atkins,etc.). But your daily diet is a main factor in determining your weight.
 
thoughtsfropete said:
Diet's do not actually fail, people do...
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Nnnnnooooo...

Diets fail 100% of the time. Nobody on the face of the earth has ever gotten and stayed healthy just by going on a diet. Once you go "off" a diet, you start gaining back the weight right away, which does a lot of harm to your body.

Long story short: I worked with a guy who went on a diet which consisted of grapefruit juice, bacon and eggs in the morning, a salad for lunch and a salad with protein for dinner. In a matter of 3-4 weeks, he lost over 30 lbs. Then, when he went "off" of his diet, he gained it all back in a matter of a month or so. Even though he stuck with the diet for the recommended period of time and did exactly what the diet wanted him to do, it was the diet that failed in the end...not the person.
 
Question - So you are saying that people are not responsible for the success or accountable for their failing's???


"Diets fail 100% of the time." -these are your words.


I completely agree with you in saying that once an individual comes off a diet that they will re-gain the weight etc, however, I am confused as you stated in your original reply that diets are the ONLY way to lose weight but then in your next post you said that diets faily 100% of the time, 100% does mean, always, everytime and guaranteed.

If you work with a client are you telling them they have to get off the sofa and do something? Or are you telling them to put their hopes and dreams into a diet and don't worry because the diet is all they need, but when it doesn't work, also don't worry, because diets are what fails, not the individual?

People MUST be accountable for their successes and also their failing's. How is anybody ever meant to become a stronger person if they do not learn from their challenges? How is anybody meant to enjoy their successes if it was not their own victory that they recieved?

We have trained and conditioned a society of professional dieters. I do not believe that people WANT to be overweight, but they MUST WANT with a passion in their heart to make a difference in their own life. Without that passion, they may as well give up at the first hurdle.

Pete
 
Medically your diet is what you eat, independently if you are following a fad, losing weight or gaining weight. Your diet is your diet. It may be a healthy diet, it may be an unhealthy diet, but when you say "diets fail 100%" you are stating something ridiculous.

It's like saying "hearts fail 100%"... yeah eventually they will stop and you will be dead, but they work for some people for a loooong time, for some for a short time. And for some they are the cause of death but for many they are not.

I understand you want to say "fad diets" or "imposed diets" but a diet as such, is anything you eat.
Camy
 
thoughtsfropete said:
Question - So you are saying that people are not responsible for the success or accountable for their failing's???
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Of course people are responsible for their success and failings, but only when they are responsible for their success and failings.

Paris Hilton; is she responsible for her success? No, absolutely not. She has done absolutely nothing to warrant responsibility for her success. She was just fortunate enough to be born into it. Even though she has done absolutely nothing, she is still successful. That is a perfect example of somebody NOT being responsible for their success.

thoughtsfropete said:
"Diets fail 100% of the time." -these are your words.
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Yes, diets fail 100% of the time. They are nothing more than a temporary delay to a person's weight problem.

thoughtsfropete said:
I completely agree with you in saying that once an individual comes off a diet that they will re-gain the weight etc, however, I am confused as you stated in your original reply that diets are the ONLY way to lose weight but then in your next post you said that diets faily 100% of the time, 100% does mean, always, everytime and guaranteed.
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In my first post, I stated that there are two different definitions of the word "diet". When I say that diets fail 100% of the time, I am referring to diets such as Atkins, South Beach, Jenny Craig, etc.

Your diet, in the sense of what you are eating, is the only way to control your weight loss. Obviously, exercise helps, but without a proper diet, you'll never lose weight.

thoughtsfropete said:
People MUST be accountable for their successes and also their failing's. How is anybody ever meant to become a stronger person if they do not learn from their challenges? How is anybody meant to enjoy their successes if it was not their own victory that they recieved?
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No, people don't always have to be held accountable for their success or even their failures (unless you want to get extremely philosophical and try to dissect the various different points of view on what is truly considered success and what is truly considered failure). There are things that are out of our control, as individuals, that can ultimately decide whether or not we are successful or steered towards failure.

If a midget tries to make it as an NBA player, he is going to fail. The midget will never make it onto an NBA team's roster. So, that midget failed to make it into the NBA. But, it's not his fault. It's not his fault that he is extremely short and is physically limited with his abilities. It's not his fault that his genes made him the way that he is, preventing him from ever being able to dunk a basketball or compete with "normal" sized people in the sport of basketball. That is completely out of his control and, even though it is completely out of his control, he still failed to make it to the NBA.

A woman born without a uterus tries to have a baby. She tries and tries and tries, but she never gets pregnant. She failed to have a baby. But, it's not her fault. It's not her fault that she was born without a uterus and is physically unable to have a baby. It's not her fault that her genes made her the way she is, preventing her from ever having a baby. That is completely out of her control and, even though it is completely out of her control, she still failed to make a baby.

Are those examples a little over-the-top? Yup. But, they illustrate my point.
 
I dont think it is fair to say that diets fail 100% of the time. Even though I would never recommend an Atkins type of diet, i personally know someone that has lost a lot of weight on Atkins and has kept it off. They just continue to follow the principles of the diet. They continue to work the program and have continued success.

I do agree that diets that say "lose 40 lbs in 3 weeks" becuase there is a end point and then what? That is when people go back to their old habits. That is what causes the weight gain.

Even the most successful way to lose weight, which is counting calories can fail. People fail to restrict their calories and start eating too much. That is what causes the weight gain.

Also, i dont think you can use the example of the woman with no uterus. She couldnt have a baby there wasnt even a chance to succeed. A person can succeed on Atkins if they follow the diet. Problem is they start and have success but then slack off and dont follow it as closely then they give up and fail. Diets fault? Not exactly.

Here is a link to an article that i feel shows that dieters do fail diets:
 
usedtobefatmatt said:
Also, i dont think you can use the example of the woman with no uterus. She couldnt have a baby there wasnt even a chance to succeed. A person can succeed on Atkins if they follow the diet. Problem is they start and have success but then slack off and dont follow it as closely then they give up and fail. Diets fault? Not exactly.
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I used that example, as outlandish as it is, just to illustrate that it's not always the person's fault if they fail at something. There are outside influences and uncontrollable circumstances that can greatly effect somebody's rate of success and/or failure.
 
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People are responsible for their success and failing's.

And in context especially when it comes to losing weight.

Wasn't Mugsy Bogues like close to a midget??? lol... 5 foot 3 I think.

Wishing you the best,

Pete
 
ChefChiTown said:
I used that example, as outlandish as it is, just to illustrate that it's not always the person's fault if they fail at something. There are outside influences and uncontrollable circumstances that can greatly effect somebody's rate of success and/or failure.
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I agree with you that there are a lot of diets that set you up for failure. No matter how hard you try and how motivated you are you just are not going to succeed.

I still think that a lot of the more popular commercial diets (atkins, jenny craig, south beach) will work as long as you stay 100% committed to that diet.

That is why i will always tell someone the the best diet is the one the works for you that you can adapt into a lifestyle. My friend just happened to acept his low carb lifestyle. I personally could never do that.

Like Pete said, do you think Mugsy, Spud Webb (basketball player) or Jim Abbott(one handed pitcher) ever listened when people said they would never make it? Obviously, they are the exception to the rule but shows it is possible.
 
thoughtsfropete said:
ChefChiTown...

I am not sure that your examples hold any value or relevance in this discussion.
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Why? Because I made a point that disproved your theory?

People aren't responsible for their successes and failures in every single situation. Some people just can't do things, no matter how hard they try. Take me for example...

When I was a freshman in high school, I ran the 40 yard dash in 4.9 seconds. I wanted to improve my speed, hoping to get down to a time of 4.6 seconds. So, during the next 4 Summers, I attended Speed Camp (which was run by my trainer), with the hopes of improving my speed. I attended Speed Camp every single day that it was held (every Monday, Wednesday and Friday during Summer vacation) and worked extremely hard during the 4 hour workout sessions. Fast forward to my senior year...I ran the 40 yard dash in 4.8 seconds. After 4 years of intense work, I only shaved off .1 seconds from my 40 yard dash time. No matter how hard I worked at it, I just couldn't go any faster.

So, am I to blame for my slow speed? Am I to take responsibility for not being able to run like the wind? I mean, people are responsible for their successes and failures, no matter what, right?

The reality is that my body, my genetic and physical makeup, just doesn't allow me to run that fast. I don't see how I would be to blame for that or even be held responsible for that.

usedtobefatmatt said:
Like Pete said, do you think Mugsy, Spud Webb (basketball player) or Jim Abbott(one handed pitcher) ever listened when people said they would never make it? Obviously, they are the exception to the rule but shows it is possible.
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HA, I forgot about Mugsy Bogues.

Anyway, neither of those two basketball players are midgets. They are completely normal in size. In fact, Spud Webb is my height. Also, you only need one arm to pitch a baseball, but I understand the point you are trying to make, and I'm actually glad you said...

usedtobefatmatt said:
Obviously, they are the exception to the rule but shows it is possible.
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...because, that is very true. Even if that rule is "People are responsible for their successes and failures", there will always be exceptions to that rule, which is the exact point that I was making as well.
 
The word DIET

.... has DIE in it.. and I for one always felt like I was about to DIE on any diet I have tried!

I used a "diet" (the Scarsdale Diet) to lose about 20 pounds once, it worked great, but was the hardest two weeks of my life... I kept that weight off for about 7 or more years, so they *can* work if you want them too, but they usually fail or people fail to adhere to them, as they are just too hard and it's unrealistic to *remove all carbs/only eat 1000 cals a day/only eat Eggs or Soup or Cabbage ... or insert whatever other insanity is being promoted*

The thing that is almost guaranteed to work is simple, and free, and we all know it..

eat less than you use consistently over time = weight loss sure and steady
 
I used to be really focused on *diets* was always on a *diet* and I did used to feel like i failed my *diet* on a fairly regular basis. I can honestly say that I dont use the word diet anymore. Im trying to make healthy choices.. I have been working hard at thinking with that frame of mind because it just seems less likely to fail at it. I sometimes eat things that were not the best choice but it doesnt mean I've ruined anything...just one thing that could have been tweaked. *make sense?*
 
ChefChiTown said:
Why? Because I made a point that disproved your theory?

People aren't responsible for their successes and failures in every single situation. Some people just can't do things, no matter how hard they try. Take me for example...

When I was a freshman in high school, I ran the 40 yard dash in 4.9 seconds. I wanted to improve my speed, hoping to get down to a time of 4.6 seconds. So, during the next 4 Summers, I attended Speed Camp (which was run by my trainer), with the hopes of improving my speed. I attended Speed Camp every single day that it was held (every Monday, Wednesday and Friday during Summer vacation) and worked extremely hard during the 4 hour workout sessions. Fast forward to my senior year...I ran the 40 yard dash in 4.8 seconds. After 4 years of intense work, I only shaved off .1 seconds from my 40 yard dash time. No matter how hard I worked at it, I just couldn't go any faster.

So, am I to blame for my slow speed? Am I to take responsibility for not being able to run like the wind? I mean, people are responsible for their successes and failures, no matter what, right?

The reality is that my body, my genetic and physical makeup, just doesn't allow me to run that fast. I don't see how I would be to blame for that or even be held responsible for that.
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Not to bicker over semantics, but other factors are on the table here. It's not a proposition where either you are to blame or your genetics are to blame. The programming, for example, could've been subpar given your particular set of circumstances.

...because, that is very true. Even if that rule is "People are responsible for their successes and failures", there will always be exceptions to that rule, which is the exact point that I was making as well.
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And given that this is your primary point, I don't want to spend a lot of time harping on the above b/c your point is solid and one I agree with.

In my experience the vast majority of the time it's not an either/or proposition. Most people fail b/c they didn't own their decisions and responsibilities in relation to their supposed goals AND the "program" they were following either sucked or wasn't suited for them. It's a continuum.

And yea, some failures stem from the fact that certain goals are outside the realm of what's possible given an individual set of circumstances. To the OP, speaking in terms of absolutes will almost always get you "in trouble" in terms of logic.

I'll add though that IME, more often than not, failure in the context of weight loss stems from a lack of belief, willpower, devotion, appropriate programming, etc, etc and not some factor that proves the pursuit to be impossible. But that's not what's being argued here... so it's just my rambling.

:p
 
ChefChiTown said:
...because, that is very true. Even if that rule is "People are responsible for their successes and failures", there will always be exceptions to that rule, which is the exact point that I was making as well.
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Chef,
I think for the most part we agree and have the same beliefs. We both agree alot of the premade diets are junk and set people up for failure. Can the work? Yes. Are they designed for long term success? No.

It's tough to say 100% of the time diets fail. There are too many other variables.
 
Steve said:
Not to bicker over semantics, but other factors are on the table here. It's not a proposition where either you are to blame or your genetics are to blame. The programming, for example, could've been subpar given your particular set of circumstances.



And given that this is your primary point, I don't want to spend a lot of time harping on the above b/c your point is solid and one I agree with.

In my experience the vast majority of the time it's not an either/or proposition. Most people fail b/c they didn't own their decisions and responsibilities in relation to their supposed goals AND the "program" they were following either sucked or wasn't suited for them. It's a continuum.

And yea, some failures stem from the fact that certain goals are outside the realm of what's possible given an individual set of circumstances. To the OP, speaking in terms of absolutes will almost always get you "in trouble" in terms of logic.

I'll add though that IME, more often than not, failure in the context of weight loss stems from a lack of belief, willpower, devotion, appropriate programming, etc, etc and not some factor that proves the pursuit to be impossible. But that's not what's being argued here... so it's just my rambling.

:p
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I hate to sound like an idiot, but what's "IME"...???
 
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