Muscle hyperplasia

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Karky

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If you're kind of a science geek, you will enjoy reading this :D


If you're big, strong, and not a geek, but still enjoyed reading this. I apologize for calling you a geek :p

I think that stuff is darn interresting. Not because I can put it to any practical use, but because I just love reading stuff like that :D
 
You know what else causes hyperplasia? GH & IGF :D
 
Already read that a long time ago. Good read, along with his other stuff. In fact, I posted a link to his site a while back. I suppose few paid attention ;).
 
yeah I just got it linked on another forum when I was asking for some stuff on hyperplasia. I really love reading stuff like that. It's interresting..
 
Karky said:
yeah I just got it linked on another forum when I was asking for some stuff on hyperplasia. I really love reading stuff like that. It's interresting..
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You should do a human movement degree, they do four years of this stuff. In my course we get into some of this sciencey stuff as well but probably just enough that i can handle. I have a huge anatomy and physiology book at home which can get confusing at times but yes, as you said it can be very interesting but that's only if and when you understand what it's saying. Usually takes me a few reads of the text and backtracking through pages to find out more before i go - oh ok, so that's how that works.
 
Streamline said:
You should do a human movement degree, they do four years of this stuff. In my course we get into some of this sciencey stuff as well but probably just enough that i can handle. I have a huge anatomy and physiology book at home which can get confusing at times but yes, as you said it can be very interesting but that's only if and when you understand what it's saying. Usually takes me a few reads of the text and backtracking through pages to find out more before i go - oh ok, so that's how that works.
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I'm thinking about doing that actually. I'm gonna get a session with a counselor at my university, and I'm gonna ask what I need to study to get into this sort of thing..
 
dont they teach you at uni to critically anaylse information presented. If anyone actually beleives hyperplasia results from weight lifting then perhaps you shoudl go back to primary school :p
 
Where did I say I believed any of it? Don't they teach you in university to actually read what people say about a topic? Maybe you should go back to primary school :p

I simply said it was interresting.

and according to that thing, it has already been proved in animals. However, I haven't bothered to find any of the studies and read them.
But you seem pretty sure hyplerplasia can't happen, why? I'd love a discussion on the topic.
 
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i wasnt directed at anyone.

Just to point out to, its not even a proper journal article let alone peer reviewed...i wonder why :p

Certain tissue has the capacity to hyperplase all the time such as surface epithelium, others have the capacity to replicate when needed eg the liver and some smoothe muscle, but muscle....nope

If anyone argues otherwise then ummmm haha
 
but you're just saying it can't. WHY? look at this:
Muscle can't hypertrophy, anyone who argues otherwise then ummm haha
:p
 
No because we know that for a fact. Anyone can conduct a biased experiment where they already know the answer they want and therfore manipulate the experiment to achieve it and hence why that article is rubbish. Try telling a professor in pathology or anatomy otherwise and see their reaction ;p
 
so I take it you don't know why muscle hyperplasia can't occur? Then haven't you just taken information for granted without being critical towards it first?

And I know anyone can conduct a biased experiment, but that doesn't change that no one seems to be able to answer that question.
 
I believe muscle hyperplasia can and does occur. If you look up research done on muscle fiber size. you will find that bodybuilders, and weightlifters have roughly the same muscle fiber size as the average person.

This means, because of their greater physical stature, BB and WL have more muscle fibers.

Since, when they start training, people do not know or care how many muscle fibers they currently have, I find it hard to believe that BB and WL just happen to have 2 or 3 X as many muscle fibers as the average person. Especially since, without training, most BB and WL would be the regular person.

It also hard to explain why their muscle fibers are not significantly larger than the average persons. Given that all of that training is supposed to increase fiber size.

There is a lot of evidence pointing to the probability that muscle hyperplasia occurs.
 
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On another note. That would also mean that BB and WL would have been born with significantly smaller than average muscle fibers.
 
goergen1 said:
I believe muscle hyperplasia can and does occur. If you look up research done on muscle fiber size. you will find that bodybuilders, and weightlifters have roughly the same muscle fiber size as the average person.

This means, because of their greater physical stature, BB and WL have more muscle fibers.

Since, when they start training, people do not know or care how many muscle fibers they currently have, I find it hard to believe that BB and WL just happen to have 2 or 3 X as many muscle fibers as the average person. Especially since, without training, most BB and WL would be the regular person.

It also hard to explain why their muscle fibers are not significantly larger than the average persons. Given that all of that training is supposed to increase fiber size.

There is a lot of evidence pointing to the probability that muscle hyperplasia occurs.
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I find it hard to count that as evidence.

everyones entitled to their own opinion though i guess, even if its based on nothing hehe.
 
I find it hard to count that as evidence.
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It is more evidence than is out there saying that hyperplasia can't happen. It is also 100% more evidence that you are offering to form your opinion.
 
Karky said:
you're still not explaining, you're just saying thing. Please explain.
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theres no need too, thats like asking me to explain why santa doesnt exist, he just doesnt.

The key processed in proliferation are DNA replication and mitosis, one has to realise cells are strictly regulated - control points, otherwise cancer would be abundance. Skeletal Muscle cells are in whats called cell cycle arrest.

Look up the cell cycle on the net and maybe youll understand more
 
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