Muai Thai or Taekwando
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Hahahha, no I hadn't made that connection, because I love UFC, Pride, etc...because I understand them as sports. I guess it was stupid of me to ignore the fact that most other people don't and chalk it up to "street fighting"
I've been out of the MA discussion scene for a while, it isn't very refreshing to see that people are ignorant as ever
I've been out of the MA discussion scene for a while, it isn't very refreshing to see that people are ignorant as ever
Sara is too modest to wave her MA wang around. She's proficient in a striking art, I'm not sure which it is so she can clarify. The point is, she's been around this for a long time and has put in the work to know what's what. Casual observers don't.
Run, dont walk, to your local Muay Thai gym. Tae Kwon Do has become a joke, where anyone with enough money can buy a teacher cert (complete with 20th dan black belt) and start teaching.
I personally made the mistake of training TKD, about 5 years ago, and it was a year of waste.
Muay Thai is the most effective, quick to learn stand up art there is. There is no fluff, you learn a handful of techniques and practise them all day against resiting opponents. There is huge quality control because a gym is only worth as much as the titles its fighters win. If it doesn't win fights, people stop training there.
You pretty much made up your mind yourself. You want self defence, rather than a sporty, flashy art. TKD is pure sport, with as much flash as they could inject into it. WTF TKD doesn't even spar with punches, but rather with flashy, weak kicks, and a guard that looks like its protecting their junk.
These are the BEST TKD fighters in the world, competing in the Olympics. Granted, this is only WTF (World Tae Kwon Do Federation), but ITF isn't too much different.
Do you really think these guys could have any chance of fighting in a crowded bar, in an alley way, or after someone as already grabbed them from behind? Self defence is what the OP is after, and these guys dont even guard their face. Their kicks are flashy and impressive looking, but thats all. They dont cause real damage, and they dont even punch. Kicking isn't allowed below the belt (to the legs). Most of the strikes thrown at eachother are endless, low powered roundhouse kicks, done with the instep.TKD has become an embarassement. I remember when my old TKD master told me how pathetic he thought TKD had become. I left TKD not much long after the 2000 olympics, after only a year of doing it.
Now we have seen the best TKD fighters, lets take a look at 2 of my favourite Muay Thai fighters shall we.
Ramon "The Diamond" Dekker:
Buakaw Por. Pramuk
Who would you rather fight?
Do you really think these guys could have any chance of fighting in a crowded bar, in an alley way, or after someone as already grabbed them from behind? Self defence is what the OP is after, and these guys dont even guard their face. Their kicks are flashy and impressive looking, but thats all. They dont cause real damage, and they dont even punch. Kicking isn't allowed below the belt (to the legs). Most of the strikes thrown at eachother are endless, low powered roundhouse kicks, done with the instep.TKD has become an embarassement. I remember when my old TKD master told me how pathetic he thought TKD had become. I left TKD not much long after the 2000 olympics, after only a year of doing it.
Now we have seen the best TKD fighters, lets take a look at 2 of my favourite Muay Thai fighters shall we.
Ramon "The Diamond" Dekker:
Buakaw Por. Pramuk
Who would you rather fight?
If your motive is street-fighting or to show off, taekwondo or any martial art is not for you. Showing a demonstration video from youtube is a farce just like showing a karate (or any other martial art) dude breaking ice.
What I learned in the self-defence class of taekwondo would enable me to easily kill someone if the worst came to the worst but that is not why i learned it. When being taught martial arts they should tell you that your skills are not to be used for street-fighting or showing off. Discipline and self-control are also taught alongside self-defence.
Seeing some of you have a lot to learn, I would not wish to partake in any further indisciplined discussion if you want to pursue martial arts with the wrong motive.
What I learned in the self-defence class of taekwondo would enable me to easily kill someone if the worst came to the worst but that is not why i learned it. When being taught martial arts they should tell you that your skills are not to be used for street-fighting or showing off. Discipline and self-control are also taught alongside self-defence.
Seeing some of you have a lot to learn, I would not wish to partake in any further indisciplined discussion if you want to pursue martial arts with the wrong motive.
MMA/UFC does not = "street fight."
Seriously, there are like 30 things not allowed in a UFC fight, I am pretty sure that there aren't any rules in a "street fight."
And while street fighters seem to always be thought of as magical gods with the skill and training of world class athletes, I am not sure where this train of thought comes from.
Tae Kwon Do sports competition has very specific rules. Do you honestly think if one of these olympic fighters had to defend themselves they would keep their hands down?
Oh, and look at this. A video of a Tae Kwon Do practitioner doing well! This must make Tae Kwon Do the best!
The best advice is to just check out the schools you could attend, and watch out for McDojos. If you have to sign a contract be sure to read it.
Seriously, there are like 30 things not allowed in a UFC fight, I am pretty sure that there aren't any rules in a "street fight."
And while street fighters seem to always be thought of as magical gods with the skill and training of world class athletes, I am not sure where this train of thought comes from.
Tae Kwon Do sports competition has very specific rules. Do you honestly think if one of these olympic fighters had to defend themselves they would keep their hands down?
Oh, and look at this. A video of a Tae Kwon Do practitioner doing well! This must make Tae Kwon Do the best!
The best advice is to just check out the schools you could attend, and watch out for McDojos. If you have to sign a contract be sure to read it.
You seriously think a TKD fighter can take on a UFC figher in a cage match?
He can't kill me. I live in the Matrix, poppin my red pills.
Talking out of our butts? We aren't the ones throwing around scentences like "They could kill you in a bar" as its some sort of incredibly thought out rebuttle.
The OP asked which style he should choose for SELF DEFENCE. Instead of giving reasons why you think TKD is effective in a SELF DEFENCE situation, you stay on the same thread that Olympic level TKD fighters or masters could kill us. Do you need to train TKD for 15+ yrs to be Olympic or Master level before you can defend yourself effectivly? What about your run of the mill TKD fighter, who has 6 months under his belt. Would he be able to defend himself? Especially considering a large percentage of his time would be practising his forms and 1 step sparing for his next grading. He spends hrs and hrs practising how to do a jumping spinning hook kick into a brick after jumping off a wall.
Another guy does Muay Thai for 6 months. He doesn't have any gradings to practise forms for, but rather he has a full contact fight coming up. He spends his time practising his jab, cross and hooks, aswell as his teep and shin kicks, thats all he focuses on. He spends hrs sparing with everyone in his gym, most of them fighters who are also training for up coming fights.
The TKD guy spars with very little contact, most of the time pulling his kicks. You cant kick to the legs and alot of the kicks are designed for the head, so you cant follow through. Instead of resembling fighting like it is supposed to, it looks like some flashy ballet. After his 10 hit roundhouse combo to his opponents torso, using his instep and very little power, they get too close and move back to the starting position.
The Muay Thai fighter trains with 60%+ power behind his punches and kicks. He wears gloves and so he can punch to his opponents head without worrying about breaking his hands or his training partners nose. They kick hard and never pull them. When they get close, they clinch and throw knees to eachothers body. They keep clinching until they throw the other to the floor.
After the 6 months is up, who can defend himself better? This thread is about SELF DEFENCE, nothing else. Learning how to defend yourself in the least possible time is SELF DEFENCE.
I have trained both TKD and Muay Thai. Have you? Have you ever spared with a Muay Thai fighter, or have you ever attended one Muay Thai gym?
I'm still waiting for your sources to back up your claim that "Most Militaries teach their men TKD". Again, you have not added any substance to the debate, which is "Which is more effective for the OP's need of SELF DEFENCE". It isn't a "TKD IS CRAP THREAD". TKD is great fun as a sport. I had good fun getting so flexible I could side kick perpendicular to my body, or jumping hook kick a pad out of my partners hand. However, TKD isn't an effective SELF DEFENCE art compared with Muay Thai.
Feel free to rebute my points using intellingent arguments. I have no problem in debating this with you if you aren't going to jump on your moral high horse and claim anyone attacking another art is just undiciplined and knows nothing of ma. I have been training ma for most of my life.
Thank God for you mate. How far into Muy thai training did you go?
I took Hapkido for a while, but eventually had to stop due the cost. But recently have been doing alot of full contact sparring with friends who train in MMA/UFC.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Spartan300 again.
I've had 4 Muay Thai fights, 2 in Thailand. I wish I could fight more, but unfortunatly, my bosses don't appreciate me coming in with broken noses, bruises and black eyes . When I get my ass back to Thailand, I hope to fight 2 times a month if I can.
Hapkido, TKD, Karate and BJJ are all really expensive. Find yourself a good Boxing, Muay Thai, or Judo gym. They are very reasonably priced and the standard is always high.
. When I get my ass back to Thailand, I hope to fight 2 times a month if I can.Hapkido, TKD, Karate and BJJ are all really expensive. Find yourself a good Boxing, Muay Thai, or Judo gym. They are very reasonably priced and the standard is always high.
I've had 4 Muay Thai fights, 2 in Thailand. I wish I could fight more, but unfortunatly, my bosses don't appreciate me coming in with broken noses, bruises and black eyes
Hapkido, TKD, Karate and BJJ are all really expensive. Find yourself a good Boxing, Muay Thai, or Judo gym. They are very reasonably priced and the standard is always high.
Yep, Muy thai in Thailand is insane, lots of serious fighters. Did you win your 2 fights ?
.There aren't any serious Muy thau/boxing/judo nearby where I live ( i've checked ), but I do plan on resuming my training one day again, i love that extreme stuff.
Where any of your 4 fights recorded?