Mana's Diner

Today was kinda odd for food.
Wasn't hungry again in the morning, but I also didn't sleep well, so after my cups of coffee w/cream I didn't feel like eating anything. I brought some chicken with caesar dressing for lunch, but only ate about 2 oz worth, because it just didn't taste right. I think ketosis is kicking in, or something. Got home about 2pm or so and had 3 eggs over easy and 1 1/2 slices of bacon. I haven't had bacon in quite a while and it was really salty, blech. I'm just now at 10pm starting to get hungry again, but I don't feel like eating. I'm really tired so I think I'll just go to sleep. G-nite!
 
Day 9

Wow! I can't believe it's been over a week!

Didn't have any trouble going to sleep last night and slept like a log. Woke up not hungry again. Having my morning cuppa jo with cream. Down to 216.5. I'm going to change my ticker at the end of my challenge. So far I started on 5/15 at 223lbs and today on the 9th day I'm down to 216.5lbs, which is 6.5 lbs total to date. Yay!

And the best part is that I have so much energy and I feel awesome! I don't ache in my joints anymore. I'm so not hungry all the time. The food does not bore me, in fact I love what I'm eating. I just don't feel like eating. The few times I get hunger pangs, they're not bad at all and there's no urgency to it. And it's just hunger pangs, not a painful aching like before if I wouldn't eat "on time". I just can't get over how wonderful I feel.

I've got some eggs boiling on the stove for lunch. I might have an egg for breakfast since I haven't eaten since yesterday afternoon. I just hate to feel like I have to force myself to eat.
 
Thanks Cinderelly!
So I had 2 HB eggs in the morning with a bit of mustard. And then a couple more for lunch. I am now even more impressed with my diet and lack of cravings. We had another food day at work today, and I wasn't even close to being tempted to try anything. And they had all the usual stuff, coffee cake, turnovers, crackers, cookies, chips and dips. But yeah, wasn't interested at all. Yay!

Just finished mowing the front lawn and I'm about to deep clean my kitchen before making supper. Still not hungry, which I keep thinking I should be. My cals have been kinda low the last couple days, but I just don't feel hungry.
 
It's good to see you're still staying on plan :D
When I tried the "meat and eggs" approach a couple of years ago, I got sick. I was an uncontrolled diabetic and not even aware of what I was doing, and the first few days felt pretty good, but after awhile I just got sick and started feeling lousy all the time, my heart was racing sometimes, really slow other times (over 100/under 50 pulse), so I stopped (no willpower anyhow, at the time) and went back to feeling "normal".
I just had to give up normal starches and breads while I was like that. No wheat, potato, corn, rice, oatmeal, etc., it wasn't too bad tough, because it taught me that I could live on a relatively healthy diet for a long time. Not that I bothered to eat healthy, but I learned I could go without starches.

Essentially, no carb is bad for a lot of diabetics, and the ones that are able to eat that way are pretty lucky.
 
Wow Qjay! That must have been scary! I guess it kind of surprises me that it would have that effect. I would think the lack of carbs coming into the system and turning into glucose would stop the insulin surges. But, eh, what do I know. I'm not a dr. LOL :D I'm glad your WOE is working for you.
 
So my DH wanted to go out to dinner tonight, since it's the one night of the week that I don't work late. I ordered the grilled salmon over alfredo pasta and DH ordered fire-something grilled chicken and rice and we shared. I had about 2 oz of salmon and about 2 oz of chicken. Once again not even tempted by any of the other stuff. Although the salmon was overcooked a bit on the dry side, blech. And I'm satisfied. Weird. Not even remotely hungry. Honestly, I can't get over it. I used to always be hungry or not satisfied and always want something more. I just can't get over it.
 
Start of Day 10

Whoooosh! I am down 2 more lbs to 214.5!! :eek2:

Wow! Once again got a fantastics night sleep and full of energy today. I actually have an appetite this morning and am having 2 eggs over easy. And of course, my morning cuppa jo.
 
Nice! You're getting pretty close to onederland! :D
I've decided I need to give up bread for a few weeks, so we'll see how it goes. I'm replacing the starch carbs with other carbs, but so far it has all been "fruit and vegetable" carbs.
Hey, how are you with things like lettuce and veggies (such as peas or broccoli)? Do they cause you any problems? Induce cravings?
The reason I ask is *snicker* I made some broccoli Alfredo that was every bit as satisfying as pasta Alfredo and it didn't cause me any of the normal problems I expect from such "bad" foods.
 
I think I'm just really sensitive to any carbs and taste. I can't do any grains because I just don't have any self control and I never never never stay hungry on any kind of grain, although rice is better than the others.

Veggies I find them either bitter and don't want to eat them or sweet so then tend to overdo eating them. I do ok with a little bit of green pepper more as a condiment, but too many onions (especially when they're caramelized when cooking) can trigger me to binge. I think it's the sweet taste. Yeah, broccoli. mmmmm, no thanks, I hate them raw, have to choke them down with a lot of dressing. Even during vegetation eating days, I had to force myself to eat those. The only way I really liked it was steamed with baby carrots and drenched in lemon juice. I think the steaming help let some of the bitterness drip away and the lemon juice killed bitter taste of the broccoli with it's own sourness. I liked the baby carrots because they taste sweet, but I can eat a whole bag of them in one sitting. Peas, I can take them or leave 'em, I'm not crazy about the taste and texture but if they were on my plate before I would eat them, now I doubt it. Lettuce I like especially in Caesar salads where it's smothered and only if there's lots of other stuff to eat with it, except croutons, I hate croutons. But it doesn't do much for me, it's more like a vehicle for the other stuff I like. I like asparagus, once again broiled with some olive oil and a sprinkle of garlic powder in the oven to bring out the carmelization, otherwise it tends to bitterness.

Good luck giving up the bread! It was really rough when I did it. I can honestly say I was more of a B!@#^%$ch giving up the flour products than I was giving up smoking. The next hardest was giving up corn products. Rice didn't bother me as much, which I really think is odd, since I grew up eating rice, you would think it would be rough to give up.

Well, today is .... drum roll please ....
Day 12 Yay!!

I'm still holding steady at 214.5, which is 8.5 lbs in 12 days.

Not sure what's going to happen with food in the next couple of days. I'm going out with my friend Melissa and we're going to spend the day shopping and probably catch lunch somewhere. I know I'm staying on plan, I just don't know where. And tomorrow my parents want to take us to the casino buffet again .
 
Article

Ketogenic diets and physical performance
Stephen D Phinneycorresponding author1

"Both observational and prospectively designed studies support the conclusion that submaximal endurance performance can be sustained despite the virtual exclusion of carbohydrate from the human diet. Clearly this result does not automatically follow the casual implementation of dietary carbohydrate restriction, however, as careful attention to time for keto-adaptation, mineral nutriture, and constraint of the daily protein dose is required. Contradictory results in the scientific literature can be explained by the lack of attention to these lessons learned (and for the most part now forgotten) by the cultures that traditionally lived by hunting. Therapeutic use of ketogenic diets should not require constraint of most forms of physical labor or recreational activity, with the one caveat that anaerobic (ie, weight lifting or sprint) performance is limited by the low muscle glycogen levels induced by a ketogenic diet, and this would strongly discourage its use under most conditions of competitive athletics."
 
Hey Mana, congrats on the weight. Good luck at the casino buffet. Just remember how bad you felt when you gave in last time. I would think that with the way you eat, a buffet might be easier as you can stick with the meat dishes.
 
You are right Cannon! I've just have to keep reminding myself that as far as I'm concerned there is no dessert buffet! LOL
 
Day 14

Yay!! Today is the last day!! I'm back up to 215.0, which I'm blaming on the obscene amounts of sodium in the food for the last couple days, between HuHot and the casino buffet.

So as far as weight loss from:
5/15/07 - 5/28/07
Starting weight: 223lbs
Ending weight: 215lbs
A total loss of 8lbs in 14 days. Yay!

I have to admit I was missing one or two little things, like salsa which I'm now going to add back in. I might even do a cup of salad so that I can have a taco salad which sounds awesome! It's still going to be predominantly meat based and the vegetation is going to be treated more as condiments/accessories. I have to say though, it feels really good to get past that 220 mark. For a while it was like my body was defective and I wasn't able to lose no matter how much work I was putting in.
 
Oh yeah, and I IF'd yesterday and part of Saturday.

Saturday actually wasn't so bad. I went without breakfast and when I went out to lunch with my friend, I wasn't even hungry for lunch, but once I started eating, then I became hungry.

Yesterday we stayed at home all day until supper, and in the morning I had really strong hunger sensations that came and went. By mid-afternoon, I just got a strong empty feeling that came and went. And then we went out for supper, and at that point I felt like I could take it or leave it, but once I started eating, I realized I was actually hungry.

What was nice was the fact that I didn't get that shaky dizzy feeling that I used to get when my diet consisted mainly of vegetation. I was kind of expecting it which was why I did this at home, but it didn't come. If anything I seemed to have an excess of energy and deep cleaned my house again.

BTW, IF stands for intermittent fasting.


"Intermittent fasting.

In regular fasting one goes entirely without food, which is caloric restriction carried to the extreme. Going entirely without food in the short term leads to improvement in health, but also leads to an extremely short life unless the fast is aborted.

Intermittent fasting (IF) is just as its name implies: a period of fasting alternated with a period of eating.

But isn’t that what we do anyway? We eat breakfast, then fast until lunch. Then, after lunch, we fast until supper. Then we fast all night. Uh, not exactly.

In research settings animals that are intermittently fasted are fed every other day, so they eat whatever they want for a day, then they are denied food for a day. Interestingly, on feeding days most of the animals eat a almost double the amount that their ad lib fed mates do. Thus the IF animals eat about the same number of calories overall that the ad lib fed animals eat, but, and this is a huge ‘but,’ the IF animals enjoy all the health advantages that the CR animals do, and, in fact, are even healthier than the CR animals.

Like caloric restriction, intermittent fasting reduces oxidative stress, makes the animals more resistant to acute stress in general, reduces blood pressure, reduces blood sugar, improves insulin sensitivity, reduces the incidence of cancer, diabetes, and heart disease, and improves cognitive ability. But IF does even more. Animals that are intermittently fasted greatly increase the amount of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) relative to CR animals. CR animals don’t produce much more BDNF than do ad libitum fed animals.

What’s BDNF? (The Wikipedia definition is actually pretty good)

BDNF, as its name implies, is a substance that increases the growth of new nerve cells in the brain, but it does much more than that. BDNF is neuroprotective against stress and toxic insults to the brain and is somehow–no one yet knows how, exactly–involved in the insulin sensitivity/glucose regulating mechanism. Infusing BDNF into animals increases their insulin sensitivity and makes them lose weight. Humans with greater levels of BDNF have lower levels of depression. BDNF given to depressed humans reduces their depression. And Increased levels of BDNF improves cognitive ability. In short, you want as much BDNF as you can get., and with IF you can get a lot.

But, who wants to go all day every other day without food?

Well, you don’t have to. MD and I, using ourselves (selflessly, I might add) as subjects have worked it out.

Most rodents feed throughout the day and night, so restricting them for 24 hours does just that: it restricts them for 24 hours. In humans, however, the situation is different. We humans, for the most part, eat only during our waking hours. So if we fast for a day, we end up fasting for about 34 hours and eating for 14, which isn’t the same as 24 on, 24 off.

Let me show you what I mean.

Let’s say you pick a day to start. You eat all day, then go to bed, wake up in the morning and fast all day, then go to bed. You wake up the next morning and eat all day, then go to bed and start again. So, assuming you eat until 10 PM on your eat day, once you quit eating you don’t eat again until 8 AM 34 hours later. If you eat from 8 AM that day until 10 PM, you’ve eaten for 14 hours. so, you’re on (eating) for 14 hours and off (fasting) for 34. MD and I spent a couple of weeks doing it that way, and I’m here to tell you, it’s no fun. At least not on the fast days. The eating days were a different story; they were great, but we would spend the entire day dreading the fast day coming up.

We fooled around with a number of different eat-fast-eat regimens and came up with something that works pretty well. We set up our cutoff time as 6 PM. On the day we started, we ate until 6 PM, then fasted until 6 PM the next day. On the next day we ate supper right after 6 PM and ate breakfast and lunch (and a few snacks) the next day until 6 PM when we started fasting again.

The advantage of this regimen is that we were able to eat every day. One day we would get supper–the next day we would get breakfast and lunch. On no days would we go entirely without food. This schedule worked the best for us.

On the times during the day that we ate, we didn’t stick with our normal low-carb fare; we ate pretty much whatever we wanted, including a fare amount of higher carb stuff. We stuck with the regimen for a few weeks just to see if we could tolerated it, which we did just fine. We ultimately drifted back to our normal low-carb diet, however, just because it seemed to work better with our schedules. We could have been happy on the intermittent fasting regimen for the long term.

I would think that the optimal way to go would be to follow an intermittent fast using low-carb foods during the eating periods. One would get the best of all worlds healthwise this way.

Over the period that we followed the various IF regimens we lost a little weight because, unlike the rodents, we couldn’t eat twice as much during the eating days as we would have eaten were we not fasting. We didn’t check any lab work to see if any values had changed. We weren’t doing a hard core study; we were simply evaluating IF as a practical means for humans to use to improve their health.

In thinking about the process I came to the conclusion that IF was probably the way Paleolithic man ate. We modern humans have become acculturated to the three square meals per day regimen. Animals in the wild, particularly carnivorous animals, don’t eat thrice per day; they eat when they make a kill. I would imagine that Paleolithic man did the same. If I had to make an intelligent guess, I would say that Paleolithic man probably ate once per day or maybe even twice every three days. In data gathered from humans still living in non-Westernized cultures in the last century, it appears that they would gorge after a kill and sleep and lay around doing not much of anything for the next day or so. When these folks got hungry, they went out and hunted and started the cycle again.

If you buy into the idea that the Paleolithic diet is the optimal diet for us today because it is the diet we were molded by the forces of natural selection to perform best on, then you should probably also buy into the idea that a meal timing schedule more like that of Paleolithic mean would provide benefit as well.

One of the things MD and I took away from our IF experience is the idea that we don’t have to eat three meals per day. We now often skip lunch and don’t seem any the worse for it. Sometimes we get up and get going with all our projects and don’t eat breakfast. We try to skip a meal here and there because figure it’s probably good for us. When you get used to it, you don’t really even think about it. And it’s good for you. Don’t take my word for it–look at the medical literature.

There have been a few human studies on IF, and all have shown a marked improvement in virtually every parameter tested. None of the subjects in any of these studies has done the full 24 on-24 off that MD and I did. Most fasted until 5 or 6 PM on the fast days, then ate, then ate regularly on the eat days. Even with this wimpy IF schedule the subjects did better.

One of the recent papers published on the less rigid IF schedules caught my eye because one of the authors was Don Laub, who used to be the chairman of the plastic surgery department at Stanford. When I was in medical school I thought I wanted to be a plastic surgeon so I went to Stanford during a part of my senior year and worked with Dr. Laub as my mentor.

In this study, published in the journal Medical Hypothesis in March of this year, Dr. Laub along with two other physicians (neither of whom I know) underwent their version of and intermittent fast. The three of them have since May 2003 been on a version of the IF in which they consume about 20-50 percent of their estimated daily energy requirements on the fast day and eat whatever they want on the non-fast days.

Since starting their regimen they have

observed health benefits starting in as little as two weeks, in insulin resistance, asthma, seasonal allergies, infectious diseases of viral, bacterial and fungal origin (viral URI, recurrent bacterial tonsillitis, chronic sinusitis, periodontal disease), autoimmune disorder (rheumatoid arthritis), osteoarthritis, symptoms due to CNS inflammatory lesions (Tourette’s, Meniere’s) cardiac arrhythmias (PVCs, atrial fibrillation), menopause related hot flashes."
 
Continued
"In their paper these researchers discuss a 1957 paper from the Spanish medical literature.

…the subjects were eating, on alternate days, either 900 calories or 2300 calories, averaging 1600, and that body weight was maintained. Thus they consumed either 56% or 144% of daily caloric requirement. The subjects were in a residence for old people, and all were in perfect health and over 65. Over three years, there were 6 deaths among 60 study subjects and 13 deaths among 60 ad lib-fed controls, non-significant difference. Study subjects were in hospital 123 days, controls 219, highly significant difference. We believe widespread use of this pattern of eating could impact influenza epidemics and other communicable diseases by improving resistance to infection. In addition to the health effects, this pattern of eating has proven to be a good method of weight control, and we are continuing to study the process in conjunction with the NIH. "

There's more, but this is already long enough. :rolleyes:
 
I might give this a try; the 6pm cutoff time seems to be a pretty useful figure. I'm going to think about trying this sort of thing, time to do some research! :D
 
This is something that I'm probably going to do off and on. Probably mainly on the weekends. Although I might test it during the work week. I haven't decided yet.
 
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