Low Carb. Diet question

Low carb diets work extremely well for most people. You do get some carbs on them but mostly from vegetables. Most people feel much better on them as well, well after the initial break in anyways.
 
..you really feel like that we haven't needed to eat carbs to live and we just started 100 years ago?


Explain Japan and rice.

I think more likely you ment to stress the high process and overeating of carbs..of everything.

Low carb works simply because you are eating less calories because most carbs are calorie dense.
 
You are totally missing the point. You need your bmr calories per day question is do you want to lose fat or just be a fat person for rest of your pre diabetic life? You decide, i dont care.
 
Jericho said:
..you really feel like that we haven't needed to eat carbs to live and we just started 100 years ago?


Explain Japan and rice.

I think more likely you ment to stress the high process and overeating of carbs..of everything.

Low carb works simply because you are eating less calories because most carbs are calorie dense.
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There are 2 types of people in this world: obese and not-obese.

The not-obese Japanese eat small portions of sea food like sushi which contains rice and salmon and seaweed, and drink tea. If you've ever been to Japan you can see how expensive the food there is, and how small their portions are. The yogurt would cost like 5 bucks for a small cup. So the Japanese eat less and in smaller portions, have a lot of anti-oxidants, and ergo live longer.

Now for the obese people, and remember this is where the sumo wrestlers come in. Japan has obese people, and they got there by a lot of exercise and eating high carb diet . Particularly if you've ever seen the training routine, the sumo wrestlers would exercise a lot early in the morning, then go to a sushi restaurant and eat 5000+ calories worth of food, and go home to sleep for a few hours. They are mesomorphs who pack fat and muscle at the same time.

My point is simple. If you are fat, you need to lose it, either by lowering your caloric intake and exercising, or by eating low carbohydrate food and not exercising.
 
It has nothing to do with eating carbs..it has to do with eating TOO MUCH of any food. Hell, I love your either or example but hate to tell you. I've lost 50 points eating plenty of carbs and not exercising. It's total caloric intake that matters.

(and I've been to Japan so I understand where you are coming from but I really think you are looking at the wrong cause for the right result.)
 
I think even if I gave you ths video from youtube by a guy who is not tryng to sell you anything or expects anything from you, just simply states the facts as they are, you would still stubbornly beat your chest and claim that eating carbs only but low calories will be good for you. How many carbs a diet you want to eat to lose weight? 300? Ok. Your intake is 1200 calories, your insulin spikes after each meal and you would take it in and burn it off. But what about proteins and fats that are essential to your body? Your hormone levels will tank, your thyroid will shut down, and the second you stop dieting you will gain every single pound back, and continue gaining fat long afterwards.

If you ate protein only diet, you would have half the insulin spike (because of glucagon release from amino acids in proteins), and half of that protein would be used as muscle fuel, and the rest are for amino acids and peptides. Ok but there is no fat, so again your thyroid tanks, and so does your testosterone level. You will be a slow witted little man with no ROAR in you.

A balanced diet of fats and proteins addresses this issue, since that is ALL your body needs. You dont need fiber. Its a stupid myth that keeps being perpetuated by someone trying to sell you some metamucil or a cereal.

Watch this graph and then remove it if you feel it violates some silly rule: (sigh...why did you have to go and rebreak the same rule. User banned for good after insulting remarks as well)
 
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Well this branch of debate is done since the user went and threw some private insults at me due to the rule enforcement.
 
I guess some people think since its the internet they can just go and blow off steam at others...no real concequences. Its too bad they can't be more mature than that.
 
I just want to throw this out there as to a response that 'You don't need fiber'.

Technically that's true. Your body requires protein and some essential fatty acids. Although supposedly if you eat 99% protein at maintenance you can get what's called 'Rabbit Starvation - Rabbit starvation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) although it sounds like that may have more to do with nutrients than the protein...

However, I will say that having done Atkins for 5 years, my cholesterol numbers were not good. I changed to a diet with more carbs and more fiber. Cholesterol dropped dramatically. Far more than it did when I simply tried to cut back on fat.

Cholesterol is used by your body to make bile. Soluble fiber binds with bile, making your body strip more cholesterol out of your system to produce more. More fiber = less cholesterol.

You don't need it of course. But plants are good for you. Protein is good for you. Even some fat is good for you. That's why most people promote a 'balanced' diet and not an all carb or all protein or all fat diet. Funny, huh?
 
This is what I was saying a year ago and got blasted by all the high protein eaters. Balance is key to any diet for ALL people. Some bodies require a bit more carbs than protein and vice verse but all bodies need both. Ive always touted a 40/30/30 diet either 40% complex/starchy carbs and 30% proteins and healthy fats or switch the carbs for proteins percentage wise. We all need healthy fats and that's where a lot of people fail in losing weight. Sugar makes people fat not fat.
Years ago they labeled fat as a nutrient until they gave it its own classification.
Today there are so many different diets its ridiculous.
Exercise a bit and eat 5 to 6 times a day sensibly and you will lose weight in a healthy manner. I eat all kinds of carbs and fat and barely do any physical activity. I also eat all day long and don't count calories just eat sensibly most of the time and cheat often in order to keep eating this way.
I'm 6'-2" and weighed 242 and am 43 years old. I was able to go down to 217 like this in about 6 months. (was not trying to hard huh?)
And yes I eat plenty of carbs, fat and protein.
Now there are reports that the starch in rice, potatoes and pasta is a certain type of resistance starch that will actually cause fat loss in the abdominal area!!! Thank God because I love them all!! :drool5:
 
I think our bodies can only take in so much protein a day and any excess is converted to carbs, dont know if this is right but im sure i read this somewhere online :)
 
kasal said:
I think our bodies can only take in so much protein a day and any excess is converted to carbs, dont know if this is right but im sure i read this somewhere online :)
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But more specific to your comment

Ketones
When too much protein is being used to create energy, the liver reacts by creating ketones. According to the American Fitness Professionals and Associates, ketones are toxic substances that can cause serious issues with the central nervous system when levels rise too high in the bloodstream. The body has a natural defense system in the kidneys to help filter ketones out of the bloodstream before they can do too much damage. Unfortunately, the process of filtering can overwork the kidneys, potentially causing them harm when excess proteins cause ketone levels to get too high. The process of filtering the toxic ketones out the bloodstream also requires the usage of a large amount of the body's water supply. This can lead to additional problems with dehydration.
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Kidneys and Liver
Since excess protein cannot be stored in the body, all protein has to be broken down and either used or sent through the kidneys and liver to be excreted from the body. For healthy adults, this is usually not a problem; however, too much protein in those with compromised livers or kidneys can put too much stress on these organs when trying to work through the extra waste created by the excess protein. According to the Mayo Clinic, excess protein may also contribute to the production of kidney stones.
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So when on the atkins phase one , is that kinda what you want to happen, guessing ketosis and ketones are part of the same thing ?
 
kasal said:
I think our bodies can only take in so much protein a day and any excess is converted to carbs, dont know if this is right but im sure i read this somewhere online :)
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I think this refers to Gluconeogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia whereby some amino acids can be converted to glucogen. It's often associated with Ketosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia because if your body doesn't have enough glucose/glycogen it does two things - 1) it uses ketones to fuel many of your energy needs (aka ketosis) 2) it transforms amino acids into glucose/glycogen for systems like your brain which cannot function on ketones.

I'd say also that whether protein is converted is also affected by whether or not you have enough carbs to fuel your brain. If you only eat 20g of protein and 0g of carbs, chances are your body will still convert the protein to glucose - making it even more important to get sufficient quantities of protein on a low carb diet! :D But I digress...

There have been no long term studies of the affects of ketosis, although it's likely the Inuit's historical diet promoted it since it was primarily fat and protein. This is not the same as Ketoacidosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - which is normally something that happens only in cases where there's already something wrong, regardless of carb intake. To quote the artical (yes, I know, it's the wikipedia ;) )
Ketoacidosis is a pathological metabolic state marked by extreme and uncontrolled ketosis. (Normal ketosis, by contrast, is a functional aspect of fat-based energy metabolism, induced by prolonged fasting or a low-carbohydrate diet.) In ketoacidosis, the body fails to adequately regulate ketone production causing such a severe accumulation of keto acids that the pH of the blood is substantially decreased. In extreme cases ketoacidosis can be fatal.[1]

Ketoacidosis is most common in untreated type 1 diabetes mellitus, when the liver breaks down fat and proteins in response to a perceived need for respiratory substrate. Prolonged alcoholism may lead to alcoholic ketoacidosis. Fasting leads to ketosis but not ketoacidosis.
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I know one thing and it's the most important... A low carb. diet that's performed correctly works! I tried just about every gimmick diet you can think of. When I tried the Atkins diet, I went from 270 lbs to 220 lbs in about 6 months, but I followed the rules exactly. I also showed other people how to do it and they had similar results as long as they didn't give up in the beginning. The beginning is the worst because you suffer from sugar withdrawals almost like it's a drug. I craved chocolate like never before.
 
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