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fortyfour

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I"ve just read an article in the weekend Australian magazine called Losing Battle, the science of shedding weight and putting it all back on again.


First ii'd say, it doesn't suggest there's simply no point in trying to lose weight if you are normally an overweight person. But it does suggest that keeping the weight off takes a mammoth effort and sets you up in a situation where you are constantly fighting your own body.


In practice this means that you will never be able to let up on focussing on weight control so dont' even think about relaxing your diet when you start to near your goal weight. Doing that is a surefire way to immeidately start piling it back on again. The fact is that if you lose over 10 percent of your body weight and want to keep it off, you will have to remain vigilant forever doing things such as daily weigh ins, daily exercise, and meal control foreover.


The depressing news is that people who lose a lot of weight, actually don't process food as well as others. When you exercise you wo'nt burn as many calories as someone of a stable low weight, you will always need to eat less than the calorie counters say what you have to eat to maintain a low weight as compared to someone who is already a low weight. You will always need to do at least one hour and preferably about 2 hours of exercise a day (that needn't be exercise at the gym either - so find a more productive way to exercise is probably a smart idea eg, strenous house cleaning, gardening or other work should do it.)


I know people would like to read the article. Australians can of course buy the magazine. it was published this weekend, Feb 4-5. Perhaps you could write to the author is you are a foreigner. Her name is Tara Parker-Pope. Or you could email the magazine editors at magazine@theaustralian.com editor is christine Middap.


In the article there are some examples of people who have kept the weight off for a long time and they discuss what they have to do to keep it off.
 
I went looking for the article and found this link:


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/magazine/tara-parker-pope-fat-trap.html?pagewanted=all


Don't know if it is the same article but it seems to have similar content.


Very interesting. Maybe there is something in the theory about set point weights?
 
well done, it looks like the same article or at least mostly the same. I didn't read it right through but certainly there's plenty of the same material and same author of course.


What are set point weights though?
 
I'm no expert but there is/was a theory that we all have a weight the body prefers to be and to be any other weight (less or more) takes more effort than our natural 'set point'.


The article seemed to support that theory but also said the 'set point' can move. So someone who has been overweight for some time may now have a higher set point - it can be changed but they said they did not know how long that takes because whatever your set point is the body will fight to stay there through less return for exercise and chemical based drive to eat more.


It also said some people hold a higher weight readily because they carry a gene.


It was an interesting article and referenced a lot of complex studies but it didn't explain (or even try to) why obesity is on such a sharp increase. All the points they raise about set point and genes would have always been true so why the sudden escalation in obesity? I suppose we could put that down to lifestyle and environment but that would mean the set point and gene argument is irrelevant to today's obesity because obesity hasn't been such a wide spread problem in the past even with genes and set points.


I still don't understand why obesity is increasing but the article was a very interesting read - thanks for sharing it!
 
Well hey now 44


The depressing news is that people who lose a lot of weight, actually don't process food as well as others. When you exercise you won't burn as many calories as someone of a stable low weight, you will always need to eat less than the calorie counters say what you have to eat to maintain a low weight

....apparently, I must be the exception (the story of my life) because I break even at a much higher amount of calories per day, than any of those calorie counters say, besides maybe Olympic swimmers, and Mr. Olympia hopefuls :) .....about 3800-4000 cals a day. And ever since I replaced my old body with this new one, my stomach is like an industrial food processing machine ! And this, coming from a guy who suffered with horrendous, life altering stomach problems / IBS, for 20+ years, up until 29 months ago, when I changed EVERYTHING !


I always said I was the only fat person I knew with a great metabolism ! I had to work really hard to become obese, eating 6000-8000 cals a day, of pure horrendous garbage, sugar, lard, fast food, junk food, etc..... and no exercise, besides my work.


Anyway, now I can cut, or bulk, at the drop of a hat. I feel like I have complete control over my weight / body..... except that gaining another 30 lbs of lean muscle is about 1000 X's as hard, as losing any amount of fat.


To be quite honest with you, I really don't worry much at all about > "What if I get really over weight and out of shape again" ? ....but instead I worry with, "What if I can't gain that 30 lbs of lean muscle mass, so I can look / feel like a muscled up Gorilla" ? Now that would be a real bummer for me.


Hmmm,

Fish


PS, Lest anybody read this, and think > "Well sure, if I could eat 3800-4000 a day, and not gain weight, I would be totally fine, weight and health wise too....."

Let me just say, the number of cals a person can eat / needs to eat, is totally relative to their own bodies. I get (heck, I pretty much stay) ravaging hungry if I'm on a cut (like right now) and squeezing my cals down to a skimpy 3000-3200 day.

However, in the old days, when I was hungry, my brain would say, "Their is a problem ! EAT ! EAT !"

Now (especially if I'm on a cut) when I get hungry, I think to myself, "That's good" :) I'm right on track. I'll be down 15 lbs and looking better than ever in about 1 month ;)
 
Or, just to put it a different way.....


I think that article assumes that if a person is over weight, they must have a poor metabolism. I'm living proof that this is not always the case.


Peace,

Fish
 
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