I starve myself during the week. My workout is running and light weights. I drop no weight at all until the weekend. Friday is my eat-what-i-want day. I've noticed that I lose weight on the weekend but stay the same during the week or gain back. I weigh 188 average now and drop to 185 on the weekends. I want to drop to 170. But can't seem to get below that 185. Can yall help?
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Don't ever starve yourself, you should eat at least 5 small meals to keep your metabolism working, if its not working properly its going to be tough to lose weight.
First of all, eating too much or too little will cause you to gain weight. I am not exactly sure but I believe the reason being because when you starve yourself, your body's digestion mechanism slows down/shut downs. Therefore when you eat, your food is turned into fat instead of turn into energy.
Secondly, If you must measure your weight, do it right after you wake up. You will get the more accurate answer then. Your body weight will fluxate throughout the day. There is no real method to get an accurate answer. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Now, if you want to lose weight you must have a calorie deficit. You must burn more calories in a day than you consume. A good way to find out how man calories you need to lose weight is, find a calorie calculator and subtract 500 from that number.
There is a lot of other information you may need to know. I cannot think of them on the top of my head. I hope someone will go further to help you. Good luck with your goal.
Secondly, If you must measure your weight, do it right after you wake up. You will get the more accurate answer then. Your body weight will fluxate throughout the day. There is no real method to get an accurate answer. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Now, if you want to lose weight you must have a calorie deficit. You must burn more calories in a day than you consume. A good way to find out how man calories you need to lose weight is, find a calorie calculator and subtract 500 from that number.
There is a lot of other information you may need to know. I cannot think of them on the top of my head. I hope someone will go further to help you. Good luck with your goal.
As I have always said, in the past, the body will tell you when your are and are not doing things correctly. Same in this case. There is never in my opinion, a bad bodily response when we are talking along these types of details. You body is telling you something, youngman, and its telling you, you are doing the wrong things, and WANTS a change to produce the results you want and/or seek. All you have to do is provide the stimulation.
The ultimate fat burner is the appropriate deficit diet, young man, and optimized and complimented with appropriate training/excercise routine on a regular basis.
A deficit diet, in itself, without any scheduled excercise program can also make one lose weight. What does this tell us? That the DIET is absolutely the Boss and everything encircles the diet, and one will lose tissue, if they are healthy and have no organ issues or other medical conditions that would or could hamper progress.
With this said, I first want to state that not feeding yourself, IS NOT a wise idea, nor the answer to your problem in weight loss. In your specific case, being inconistant instead of consistant is your problem (with what I know thus far).
This is what you need to do:
This an approxomation science, but you can narrow it down very close, if your meticulous in your vision when looking at the data.
Tweak your desire and passion by educating yourself on the basic requirements of losing fat tissue. With your age, sex, hgt, and wgt, in mind, find your approximated base calorie needs (this is organ function, breathing, or bodily function needs).
Armed with this knowledge, next figure in your approximated activity calorie expenditure (training/exercising, etc), and add this on top of the approximated base calorie need. This will give you the approximated maintenance level (or like a approximated break-even point in the caloric equation)
Apply this knowledge by backing off the approximated MT Line (approximated Maintenance line), say for example, a -500c per day, for about 1 week. Before the week begins, weigh yourself in the AM when you FIRST get up (do not eat yet) (remember your clothing, preferably with just underwear and t-shirt or like clothes). Note the time, and the approximated wgt.
Each day spread your caloric content out throughout the day (keep the body fed, with calories in the 300 to 500c approximated calories each meal), or a like division which mirrors your end caloric deficit limit (meaning MT-500c). This way you have your entire day and body encircled with nutrition (I assume you alread know to eat clean), which if your eating right, will give an approximated good energy (not optimal because your in deficit) to fuel your training and exercising schedule.
At the end of the week, on the same day, the same time, with the same like clothes, weigh yourself again. Note whether you lost or gained tissue (or weight I mean). To further assist you, I want to tell you that for every approximated caloric deficit of (-3500c), one could lose 1lb of fat tissue. (though some may not all be fat tissue, this information is for another question, and isnt presently suited here).
Now, in this example you were calculating a -500c per day deficit. There needs to be -3500c to lose approximated 1lbs of fat. Now lets do some basic math. -500cX7=-3500c. With all things considered equal, and you were meticulous and faithful on the diet, you should have been CLOSE to losing at least one pound of tissue in the week.
If this didnt happen, this means you need to make finer adjustments, and the MT line is not accurate, and you need to adjust this on your own........based upon the FEEDBACK your body is giving you, AND ask yourself how faithful you were on the diet, AND how faithful in training (whether you kept the training schedule (if you didnt, this would effect the caloric equation, no?!), AND how acurate you figured in your activities caloric wise.........but, you have the base information to begin makeing adjustments.
One can not spot reduce. Losing fat is like draining a pool. The shallow end seems to drain before the larger deeper end. One can't choose where to lose fat; it will be lost all over the body.
The Nutrients are an essential factor in the diet; however, the law of energy balance within the DIET, is the ulitmate KING while the Nutrients can play in some decisions made within the body.
Do yourself a favor, figure out your MT line, adjust off of this, eat well balanced spaced out meals (DONT EVER starve YOURSELF), AND listen to your body for the results. While you are trying to figure out your body, IT WILL PAY YOU BACK, I promise. You have to learn to MASTER yourself to become the master of weight loss for YOURSELF.
Best regards as always,
Chillen
The ultimate fat burner is the appropriate deficit diet, young man, and optimized and complimented with appropriate training/excercise routine on a regular basis.
A deficit diet, in itself, without any scheduled excercise program can also make one lose weight. What does this tell us? That the DIET is absolutely the Boss and everything encircles the diet, and one will lose tissue, if they are healthy and have no organ issues or other medical conditions that would or could hamper progress.
With this said, I first want to state that not feeding yourself, IS NOT a wise idea, nor the answer to your problem in weight loss. In your specific case, being inconistant instead of consistant is your problem (with what I know thus far).
This is what you need to do:
This an approxomation science, but you can narrow it down very close, if your meticulous in your vision when looking at the data.
Tweak your desire and passion by educating yourself on the basic requirements of losing fat tissue. With your age, sex, hgt, and wgt, in mind, find your approximated base calorie needs (this is organ function, breathing, or bodily function needs).
Armed with this knowledge, next figure in your approximated activity calorie expenditure (training/exercising, etc), and add this on top of the approximated base calorie need. This will give you the approximated maintenance level (or like a approximated break-even point in the caloric equation)
Apply this knowledge by backing off the approximated MT Line (approximated Maintenance line), say for example, a -500c per day, for about 1 week. Before the week begins, weigh yourself in the AM when you FIRST get up (do not eat yet) (remember your clothing, preferably with just underwear and t-shirt or like clothes). Note the time, and the approximated wgt.
Each day spread your caloric content out throughout the day (keep the body fed, with calories in the 300 to 500c approximated calories each meal), or a like division which mirrors your end caloric deficit limit (meaning MT-500c). This way you have your entire day and body encircled with nutrition (I assume you alread know to eat clean), which if your eating right, will give an approximated good energy (not optimal because your in deficit) to fuel your training and exercising schedule.
At the end of the week, on the same day, the same time, with the same like clothes, weigh yourself again. Note whether you lost or gained tissue (or weight I mean). To further assist you, I want to tell you that for every approximated caloric deficit of (-3500c), one could lose 1lb of fat tissue. (though some may not all be fat tissue, this information is for another question, and isnt presently suited here).
Now, in this example you were calculating a -500c per day deficit. There needs to be -3500c to lose approximated 1lbs of fat. Now lets do some basic math. -500cX7=-3500c. With all things considered equal, and you were meticulous and faithful on the diet, you should have been CLOSE to losing at least one pound of tissue in the week.
If this didnt happen, this means you need to make finer adjustments, and the MT line is not accurate, and you need to adjust this on your own........based upon the FEEDBACK your body is giving you, AND ask yourself how faithful you were on the diet, AND how faithful in training (whether you kept the training schedule (if you didnt, this would effect the caloric equation, no?!), AND how acurate you figured in your activities caloric wise.........but, you have the base information to begin makeing adjustments.
One can not spot reduce. Losing fat is like draining a pool. The shallow end seems to drain before the larger deeper end. One can't choose where to lose fat; it will be lost all over the body.
The Nutrients are an essential factor in the diet; however, the law of energy balance within the DIET, is the ulitmate KING while the Nutrients can play in some decisions made within the body.
Do yourself a favor, figure out your MT line, adjust off of this, eat well balanced spaced out meals (DONT EVER starve YOURSELF), AND listen to your body for the results. While you are trying to figure out your body, IT WILL PAY YOU BACK, I promise. You have to learn to MASTER yourself to become the master of weight loss for YOURSELF.
Best regards as always,
Chillen
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Good plain truth advice.
Dont EVER STARVE yourself especially at your young and youthful age (let alone a mature adult). Your body will resist you. Being young, you have things going on in your body that REQUIRES adequate CLEAN food consumption OVERALL (entire body), dont starve it: This is a dis-service to yourself and health I believe.
Young man, be a mind spounge and soak in all the appropriate advice you can, sort it out, and then try to make decisions based on what you learned, and then implement a plan of attack,,,,,,,and track it, you will be rewarded more than the time you took to learn it, I promise.
One of the BIGGEST part of success, is MOTIVATION, and being mentally prepared for certain mentally anticipated negatives (and knowing how, why, and when to handle them).........Your all good! GO FOR IT! Its waiting for you.......its just around the corner, smiling eagerly for your appearance! now go after it, and smack that smile off its face........LOL.
Now put into gear, implement the good food, your body will reward you in time 10 times over. Think your goal, be your goal, JUST DO IT! ROCK ON!
Dont EVER STARVE yourself especially at your young and youthful age (let alone a mature adult). Your body will resist you. Being young, you have things going on in your body that REQUIRES adequate CLEAN food consumption OVERALL (entire body), dont starve it: This is a dis-service to yourself and health I believe.
Young man, be a mind spounge and soak in all the appropriate advice you can, sort it out, and then try to make decisions based on what you learned, and then implement a plan of attack,,,,,,,and track it, you will be rewarded more than the time you took to learn it, I promise.
One of the BIGGEST part of success, is MOTIVATION, and being mentally prepared for certain mentally anticipated negatives (and knowing how, why, and when to handle them).........Your all good! GO FOR IT! Its waiting for you.......its just around the corner, smiling eagerly for your appearance! now go after it, and smack that smile off its face........LOL.
Now put into gear, implement the good food, your body will reward you in time 10 times over. Think your goal, be your goal, JUST DO IT! ROCK ON!
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I starve myself during the week.
How long have you been doing this ?
What does that mean exactly ? You have ' zero ' meals Mon- Fri ?
How many meals a day do you have Mon- Fri ( if any ) and what do they normally consist of ?
My workout is running and light weights.
How long have you been training ?
What type of running - how long per session and how many sessions per week ?
Any details on weights - how long per session and how many sessions per week
I drop no weight at all until the weekend. Friday is my eat-what-i-want day.
What do you eat ?
I've noticed that I lose weight on the weekend but stay the same during the week or gain back. I weigh 188 average now and drop to 185 on the weekends. I want to drop to 170. But can't seem to get below that 185. Can yall help?
How many weeks have you been doing this and your weight when you started ?
What is your age and height ?
The CycleBack and CycleForward 24 hour Diet Cycle Technique, by Chillen (comparable to a zig-zag day, but not quite)
When I was talking earlier about learning your MT line and backing off an appropriate amount of calories, and eating there, the counsumption period is within.......a 24 hour cycle period.
However, one can do things with this 24 hour cycle period in providing more short term calories, and change up the clock, while at the same time, not letting the body get accustomed to a certain 24 hour cycle of eating patterns.
For example, say for the first week your 24 cycle clock is: 7AM to 7AM, on the 8th day, you could eat at 3AM (which is 4 hours earlier), technically your over your limit at that time, but lets say you train at 8AM (or something like that), for this period you have just provided a small surplus; however, the next day, you switch back to the 7A to 7A. Which erases (if your meticulous) the previous 4 hours the day before, and one could ramp up an excercise, say cardio, and cause a deficit instead of a balance.
I call this Cycle Back. The 24 hour clock can be anytime adjusted to your daily routine. This cycle back can assist with craving yearnings without the guilt of thinking your over eating. It feeds you and your mentality at the same time. One just has to adjust the next day as a consequence, but its something in place to assist with hunger when needed and assist the body in not adjusting to you.
Within the Cycle Back, you can also decide to leave the surplus, of say +300 or so, to allow the body to think it ate too much, and then just stay in the same 24 cycle as before (which is good to to with long term dieters---once in a while)
I use the cycle back most of the time to give the appearance of extra calories, to provide more energy--at the time for weight training, but in the end of things........the next day, it cancels out and I bring a deficit through excercise.
There is another technique I use called: Cycle Forward. Lets use the same 24 hour cycle clock, 7A to 7A, and I ate at 3A, I will push the caloric content at 3a as eating at 7a, and just push it forward, and count it within the same clock.
This is the tougher side of the equation, though, but this can used to assist cravings, but at the same time, you have to space out the meals a bit more intelligently, as you consumed some of the calories prior to the clock starting, but still counting in the same clock, so there is a consequence.
Both of these cycle types I constantly used when I lost my weight, and it worked for me and there is no doubt about it.
When I was on my quest to lose primarily fat wgt, I constantly manipulated my 24 hour diet clock cycle around my caloric content, 95% of the time I was in deficit, and this works. These are just two techniques I used as an example. I have other techniques.
I mainly wrote this short spot for the others viewing (and to show one way of MANY ways I use to adjust calories to stave off hunger, and prevent my body from getting adjusted), but once you provide your age and other information, you will have one of the other forum members provide information on the forumulas used to determine caloric needs (Like the benedict formula, and other types).
If you are in your teens, you have to remember your entire body has special needs that are independant of a mature adult. This in itself, can cause problems, may change caloric and nutrient approach techniques, and if your starving yourself............DONT DO THIS!
When I was talking earlier about learning your MT line and backing off an appropriate amount of calories, and eating there, the counsumption period is within.......a 24 hour cycle period.
However, one can do things with this 24 hour cycle period in providing more short term calories, and change up the clock, while at the same time, not letting the body get accustomed to a certain 24 hour cycle of eating patterns.
For example, say for the first week your 24 cycle clock is: 7AM to 7AM, on the 8th day, you could eat at 3AM (which is 4 hours earlier), technically your over your limit at that time, but lets say you train at 8AM (or something like that), for this period you have just provided a small surplus; however, the next day, you switch back to the 7A to 7A. Which erases (if your meticulous) the previous 4 hours the day before, and one could ramp up an excercise, say cardio, and cause a deficit instead of a balance.
I call this Cycle Back. The 24 hour clock can be anytime adjusted to your daily routine. This cycle back can assist with craving yearnings without the guilt of thinking your over eating. It feeds you and your mentality at the same time. One just has to adjust the next day as a consequence, but its something in place to assist with hunger when needed and assist the body in not adjusting to you.
Within the Cycle Back, you can also decide to leave the surplus, of say +300 or so, to allow the body to think it ate too much, and then just stay in the same 24 cycle as before (which is good to to with long term dieters---once in a while)
I use the cycle back most of the time to give the appearance of extra calories, to provide more energy--at the time for weight training, but in the end of things........the next day, it cancels out and I bring a deficit through excercise.
There is another technique I use called: Cycle Forward. Lets use the same 24 hour cycle clock, 7A to 7A, and I ate at 3A, I will push the caloric content at 3a as eating at 7a, and just push it forward, and count it within the same clock.
This is the tougher side of the equation, though, but this can used to assist cravings, but at the same time, you have to space out the meals a bit more intelligently, as you consumed some of the calories prior to the clock starting, but still counting in the same clock, so there is a consequence.
Both of these cycle types I constantly used when I lost my weight, and it worked for me and there is no doubt about it.
When I was on my quest to lose primarily fat wgt, I constantly manipulated my 24 hour diet clock cycle around my caloric content, 95% of the time I was in deficit, and this works. These are just two techniques I used as an example. I have other techniques.
I mainly wrote this short spot for the others viewing (and to show one way of MANY ways I use to adjust calories to stave off hunger, and prevent my body from getting adjusted), but once you provide your age and other information, you will have one of the other forum members provide information on the forumulas used to determine caloric needs (Like the benedict formula, and other types).
If you are in your teens, you have to remember your entire body has special needs that are independant of a mature adult. This in itself, can cause problems, may change caloric and nutrient approach techniques, and if your starving yourself............DONT DO THIS!
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When I was talking earlier about learning your MT line and backing off an appropriate amount of calories, and eating there, the counsumption period is within.......a 24 hour cycle period.
However, one can do things with this 24 hour cycle period in providing more short term calories, and change up the clock, while at the same time, not letting the body get accustomed to a certain 24 hour cycle of eating patterns.
For example, say for the first week your 24 cycle clock is: 7AM to 7AM, on the 8th day, you could eat at 3AM (which is 4 hours earlier), technically your over your limit at that time, but lets say you train at 8AM (or something like that), for this period you have just provided a small surplus; however, the next day, you switch back to the 7A to 7A. Which erases (if your meticulous) the previous 4 hours the day before, and one could ramp up an excercise, say cardio, and cause a deficit instead of a balance.
There is another technique I use called: Cycle Forward. Lets use the same 24 hour cycle clock, 7A to 7A, and I ate at 3A, I will push the caloric content at 3a as eating at 7a, and just push it forward, and count it within the same clock.
Eating at 3 a.m ?????
I assume that works if you work nights or some afternoon shift - am I correct ?
What if this person goes to bed at 11 p.m. and gets up at 7 a.m - like most people do . How does your 24 cycle work in that context of going to bed at 11 p.m. and gets up at 7 a.m ?
Surely to goodness you wouldn't advocate someone going to bed at 11 p.m and then getting up at 3 a.m just to eat.
Like Wrangell, I just read your first sentence: "I starve myself during the week." That was enough to say "You won't succeed." Starving usually leads to binging. Eat good smaller meals. You have gotten a lot of excellent feedback in this thread. Make use of it and you will be doing much better! Good luck!
Those times, were obviously example times. One can configure an applicable 24 hour cycle period around what they do. Its a simple adjustment. I thought this was fairly obvious without having to explicately say that. If you see the start of the sentence, its says: For example.
Best wishes,
Chillen
Best wishes,
Chillen
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Those times, were obviously example times. One can configure an applicable 24 hour cycle period around what they do. Its a simple adjustment. I thought this was fairly obvious without having to explicately say that. If you see the start of the sentence, its says: For example.
Best wishes,
Chillen
That was why I asked.
If a normal person goes to bed at 11 p.m. and gets up at 7 a.m - like most people do - you don't get up at 3:00 a.m - just to to eat. That'd be stupid and borderline obsessive IMO.
So, can I assume that when you were eating your meals at 3:00 a.m. it worked for you because you were working either an afternoon shift or a night shift ? Am I right ?
I had to sometimes use that, because I had worked a few months at 11p to 7a in the past, and then I work hours would switch to 3p to 11p, and I had to switch the 24 hour caloric cycle to fit this and my diet and training needs as well. And, the Cycle Back, and Cycle Forward, played some key and essential rolls.
Best Wishes!
Best Wishes!
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I had to sometimes use that, because I had worked a few months at 11p to 7a in the past, and then I work hours would switch to 3p to 11p, and I had to switch the 24 hour caloric cycle to fit this and my diet and training needs as well. And, the Cycle Back, and Cycle Forward, played some key and essential rolls.
Fair enough.
It's just that when you said, " say for the first week your 24 cycle clock is: 7AM to 7AM, on the 8th day, you could eat at 3AM (which is 4 hours earlier), technically your over your limit at that time " ...it may sound like something the OP should consider. When, this idea of eating at 3:00 a.m ONLY works if you're working a night shift.
I assume the OP is like most of us - goes to bed at around 11 p.m. and gets up at around 7 a.m - and I just didn't want the OP to think eating at 3:00 a.m. was applicable to him.
I liked the Cycle Back, because if I was working the 11p to 7a, and I knew (because I log the caloric consumption), I was at my deficit limitation, and I also knew that after work I was going to train at say, 9a approx, I can decide to eat at 3 or 4a, and provide a boost in calories (energy) for the WO (though I still spaced out my calories during the cycle period), and allow time for digestion and absorbion. And, STILL provide a post WO small meal, and then work out the consequence in the equation in the day--if I do, but at the time, I mostly did work it out to a small deficit. Sometimes this assisted with sticking points in the weight room (which deficits can cause). If I see one coming, I just encircle my wo for a day or two, and still workout it to a deficit, bit providing the energy....at the time needed.
Best wishes always.
Best wishes always.
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