Let's see how keto works.. one month hardcore cut with weekly pics!

You know what my opinion is on the targeted keto. I think it'll do well for you. I don't quite buy the concept of cyclic keto, and even if I did, it's for more advanced lifters (people who have been training for years, continuously). I suspect you're not gonna let this slide without an explanation, but uh, yeah.

Those are some pretty excellent numbers. That's great. :D
 
You know what my opinion is on the targeted keto. I think it'll do well for you. I don't quite buy the concept of cyclic keto, and even if I did, it's for more advanced lifters (people who have been training for years, continuously). I suspect you're not gonna let this slide without an explanation, but uh, yeah.

Those are some pretty excellent numbers. That's great. :D

Heh, I guess you don't HAVE to explain your reasoning. I would like to hear it, though.

I always thought that the CKD was more for beginners.

Well... another good day. Wasn't as much of a hungry beast as usual... only ate 4000 calories or so.

My temperature has risen substantially meaning my metabolism is back up there...! Went from 96.5 in the mornings to 97.9. Hopefully it'll keep climbing... cuz I love to eat!

I still feel lean, even though i'm eating tons of food.

Oh, I forgot to tell you guys, if you like fish you should check your supermarket... with lent going on it's cheap.

I bought 30 pounds for $30! Alaskan Pollosk... but meh, fish is fish, all has quality protein.
 
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Welp, RWS, first I'll have to point out that there haven't been any studies done on this directly, so any discussion is purely speculative or anecdotal.

Anyway, my issue with it has to do with glycogen resynthesis. TKD just makes a lot more sense. If you carb up for 2 days, you only store so much, and given the numbers Lyle and others cite for glycogen depletion per set of exercise (and what I think is the excessive # of sets you do :p - lots in any case), basic arithmetic shows that you use up your entire carb up in the first workout, or the first two assuming his numbers are exxagerated. This means, even if one of your workouts falls within the carb-up window, that the for the other one or two you're running on the relatively tiny amount of glycogen your body can produce during the no-carb portion of the week, which is certainly not ideal for performance and muscle synthesis. You recommended the Ketogenic Diet, and I read it twice, and Lyle is pretty firm about keto being crap for bulking in any case, and cyclical keto particularly; I think he makes a good case for it.

The reason I say it (CKD) is more for advanced lifters is because of the belief that their bodies are more adapted to the activities and better able to create and utilize glycogen stores effectively, mitigating the above issue.

But if you are going to try it, it should be on TKD. I know that as soon as it's been two weeks for me I'm gonna start taking carbs around the WO window, and 0 carbs any other time. My fat loss might not be quite as good, but it'll be worth it to be able to work out harder. In your case, though, on a bulk, there's no actual downside to TKD rather than CKD as far as I can tell. :) Except for not getting to eat your oatmeal and whatnot, but for me that's not an issue, as I don't like eating grains.
 
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I see, good info.

Yeah, Lyle said in the book that only some people reported decreased performance in the absense of carbs... I am one of the people that hasn't been affected by it.

My workouts with the carbs prior to them aren't any better than before... great as always.

I guess I don't understand the glycogen depletion and replenishment completely. I usually get around 40-50g of net carbs per day, maybe I am filling my glycogen stores with that much? I really don't know.

Did you understand the glycogen depletion section completely? I didn't..
 
Yeah, Lyle said in the book that only some people reported decreased performance in the absense of carbs... I am one of the people that hasn't been affected by it.

True. And that's why I had the disclaimer up there. It always comes down to what works best for you. I'm finding my energy is more than fine with keto, too. If anything, my energy levels have gone up a fair bit. But then again, I'm currently eating significantly more calories than I was on a balanced diet.

I guess I don't understand the glycogen depletion and replenishment completely. I usually get around 40-50g of net carbs per day, maybe I am filling my glycogen stores with that much? I really don't know.

Well, as I understand it, there are two elements. The first is the glucose requirements of your brain (and some other organs) and vital processes; the second, glycogen utilization during intense exercise.

With regard to the first, based on what I've read of the mechanics, you may feel great but also be making suboptimal gains, because the only source for essential glucose your body has (in the absence of carbohydrates) is protein. If your carb intake is insufficient and your stores need replenishing, your body will get it from either your protein intake or muscle breakdown.

However, I hadn't realized you were getting as much as 40-50g of carbs per day. That makes quite a significant difference! In a sustained state of ketosis, that is enough to cover all your daily functioning stuff, and some of your glycogen restoration. For your size (off the top of my head), that sounds almost enough to keep your glycogen full, so maybe that's it. And net, you say? I don't believe in the whole "net carb" thing, so I'd even be counting all sugar alcohols and such. That probably puts you in the safe zone. I don't see why you would even need to carb up at all, except for drinks around the workout window (just to be safe, and I would take the full serving before, not after).

That's what I got from my reading. But, as I've said, I'm no expert. Only an enthusiast who also happens to be a biology student.
 
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True. And that's why I had the disclaimer up there. It always comes down to what works best for you. I'm finding my energy is more than fine with keto, too. If anything, my energy levels have gone up a fair bit. But then again, I'm currently eating significantly more calories than I was on a balanced diet.



Well, as I understand it, there are two elements. The first is the glucose requirements of your brain (and some other organs) and vital processes; the second, glycogen utilization during intense exercise.

With regard to the first, based on what I've read of the mechanics, you may feel great but also be making suboptimal gains, because the only source for essential glucose your body has (in the absence of carbohydrates) is protein. If your carb intake is insufficient and your stores need replenishing, your body will get it from either your protein intake or muscle breakdown.

However, I hadn't realized you were getting as much as 40-50g of carbs per day. That makes quite a significant difference! In a sustained state of ketosis, that is enough to cover all your daily functioning stuff, and some of your glycogen restoration. For your size (off the top of my head), that sounds almost enough to keep your glycogen full, so maybe that's it. And net, you say? I don't believe in the whole "net carb" thing, so I'd even be counting all sugar alcohols and such. That probably puts you in the safe zone.


Can you go to this link? I made a post on another forum about glycogen depletion and nobody could help me.

By net carbs I just meant carbs - fiber. Because you can subtract the fiber out. I always count sugar alcohols and any other type of carb, though.

My size is 165 pounds at around 10% body fat (according to calipers)

I don't see why you would even need to carb up at all, except for drinks around the workout window (just to be safe, and I would take the full serving before, not after).

That's what I got from my reading. But, as I've said, I'm no expert. Only an enthusiast who also happens to be a biology student.

yeah, I don't see why I would need to carb up at all either.. it seems like in the book Lyle is assuming no post workout carbs on a CKD, I always had around 10-20g.

Hey, when you said just have the drinks around the workout windows and to be safe having the full serving before but not after....

You meant only do the carbs before the workout and not after right?

I have been seriously considering that.... but am not sure if I want to give up the insulin spike.

I have been thinking that it would be good to have the carbs pre workout... use them, and then maybe not have more carbs after the workout, because I am afraid the insulin might be there when I have my post-post workout meal a couple hours later.

Does anyone know how long it takes for the insulin to go away?

Thanks for your help man!
 
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Can you go to this link? I made a post on another forum about glycogen depletion and nobody could help me.
I don't see any link? :p
By net carbs I just meant carbs - fiber. Because you can subtract the fiber out. I always count sugar alcohols and any other type of carb, though.
Oh, okay, yeah, fiber, you don't count that. Just making sure.
yeah, I don't see why I would need to carb up at all either.. it seems like in the book Lyle is assuming no post workout carbs on a CKD, I always had around 10-20g.
Yeah, he's assuming you're going to keep your total carbs under 30g for the day, and that they will be spread out, occurring in (relatively) trace amounts in meats and sauces and such.
Hey, when you said just have the drinks around the workout windows and to be safe having the full serving before but not after....
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Same amount (or more, if you're only taking 20g, depends on what your daily carb total is, mine will be 0-10g, so I will take a full 40-45g of carb (Biotest Surge) before weight training). This will keep me at or slightly under the 60g maintenance total for ketosis (maintenace of ketosis, not maintenance of my weight, lol). I wouldn't be shy about taking some more protein after training, though. Or just eating your big meal an hour later.
Does anyone know how long it takes for the insulin to go away?
It's variable due to genetics, conditioning, etc. But, the more experienced (advanced) you are, the briefer and more effective the response. This is why I was saying, above, that CKD is for more experienced trainees.
Thanks for your help man!
No worries man. Talking it through with you reinforces my own learning. ;)
 
I don't see any link? :p

grat! hah, here it is:

Hmmm, so just take a larger amount of carbs pre workout... and skip the post workout carbs... that sounds interesting. I would like to know how many carbs I go through during one workout..

Like, I usually have 25g of steel cut oats... I have them like a tad over an hour before I lift.... how long does it take for these to be useable for weight training?

umm.. hmm I forgot what else I was going to say :p

Oh, do you know a ballpark estimate for a person that isn't too sensitive to carbs? For how long it takes for the insulin to go away I mean.

I usually have 12 ounces of fish a couple hours after my workout (very low fat)
 
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Weird. Thought I already replied to this. Anyway...

grat! hah, here it is:
I'd have to register and log in to see that. Why not just copy and paste it here?
Hmmm, so just take a larger amount of carbs pre workout... and skip the post workout carbs... that sounds interesting. I would like to know how many carbs I go through during one workout..
I can't find the exact numbers (it's a long book), but trust me when I say you're way on the high end. He recommends 25-50g for someone who's doing a 30-60 min workout with less than half the sets (at similar reps) that you're doing. Which doesn't necessarily mean you need it, but still, I wouldn't be worried about having 50g of carb pre workout.
Like, I usually have 25g of steel cut oats... I have them like a tad over an hour before I lift.... how long does it take for these to be useable for weight training?
Not that long. If I recall correctly, 200 calories takes the average person roughly an hour to digest. But this is by no means authoritative info. Ideally you should get your carb from glucose or some sort of glucose polymer (because fructose and sucrose can mess with liver glycogen levels and bring you out of ketosis), but the carb source is only important when taking carbs post workout.
Oh, do you know a ballpark estimate for a person that isn't too sensitive to carbs? For how long it takes for the insulin to go away I mean.
It varies quite a bit, but I imagine in your case that if you take your carbs before working out, by the time you've eaten your post-workout meal the insulin response is pretty well over. Low-fat fish sounds fine to me.
 
Weird. Thought I already replied to this. Anyway...


I'd have to register and log in to see that. Why not just copy and paste it here?

I can't find the exact numbers (it's a long book), but trust me when I say you're way on the high end. He recommends 25-50g for someone who's doing a 30-60 min workout with less than half the sets (at similar reps) that you're doing. Which doesn't necessarily mean you need it, but still, I wouldn't be worried about having 50g of carb pre workout.

Not that long. If I recall correctly, 200 calories takes the average person roughly an hour to digest. But this is by no means authoritative info. Ideally you should get your carb from glucose or some sort of glucose polymer (because fructose and sucrose can mess with liver glycogen levels and bring you out of ketosis), but the carb source is only important when taking carbs post workout.
It varies quite a bit, but I imagine in your case that if you take your carbs before working out, by the time you've eaten your post-workout meal the insulin response is pretty well over. Low-fat fish sounds fine to me.

Hm, well in the book he also assumes that each set is 45-60 seconds.. I am going to be doing long sets with my legs from now on, but with my upper body day I take maybe 8-15 seconds or something per set..

Would oats work as "some form of glucose or glucose polymer?" Sorry for the dumbness on my part....ha.

Yeah, I totally forgot that you have to sign up to view that stuff on that forum... I will post it here, although it's pretty long... i'll do it on my next post cuz this is getting long.
 
Hm, well in the book he also assumes that each set is 45-60 seconds.. I am going to be doing long sets with my legs from now on, but with my upper body day I take maybe 8-15 seconds or something per set..

Yeah, but the total sets he's assuming are much lower. In any case, 25-50g of carb will surely be just fine for you. If you follow his estimated glycogen depletion numbers, even halved, he would be recommending considerably more than that.

I'm still not really clear on what you mean by you're 'seeing better gains in your upper body' with what you're doing now. I still think that's way too many exercises. If you can do a set in 8-15 seconds, that can't possibly be intense enough imo. Could you talk about this in more detail?

Also, I think the week off would be a very good idea. I hadn't realized you've been training for a year and a half!

Would oats work as "some form of glucose or glucose polymer?" Sorry for the dumbness on my part....ha.

Yeah, the main component of most starches is amylose or amylopectin, which are both glucose polymers. Sorry about the terminology, there. Basically I am saying to stay away from fruit or ****ty sugar sources. Like don't be drinking ice tea mix or anything (like I once did, back in the day). If you're going to use a simple sugar, use glucose, but since you're eating whole foods (and not fruit), it's all good.
 
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Muscle Glycogen Depletion Questions:

"I am trying to figure out the muscle glycogen depletion section in the book "The Ketogenic Diet"

I typically do sets of ten with one second for each rep. Let's say I work five bodyparts in one session each doing five sets.

So from the book: "At 70% of maximum weight, both studies found a glycogen
depletion rate of roughly 1.3 mmol/kg/repetition or 0.35 mmol/kg/second of work performed.
"

that's 10 seconds X 5 = 50 seconds of exercise for each body part X 5 bodyparts = 250 seconds of total work X .35 = 87.5 mmol of glycogen depleted.....right?

THEN I found how much carbs is needed to replace that much glycogen..

"To convert mmol of glycogen to
grams of carbohydrate, we simply divide mmol by 5.56.
30 mmol/kg divided by 5.56 = ~5 grams of carbohydrates to replace 30 mmol of glycogen."

so 87.5 / 5.56 = 15.73g of carbs.....

So what the hell, I always have at least that many carbs in my shake after my workouts even while on keto.... so what's the point of even doing the carb up?

Plus... does anybody know if it would even matter if the carbs come directly after the workout or if they come in the form of veggies throughout the day????? (meaning if you have 30g of carbs from veggies throughout the day, will that go straight to filling muscle glycogen?)

Am I understanding this right???

Thanks for anybody who took the time to read this....!"

And also, does each muscle have it's own glycogen levels? Or how does that work?

Ok.. then someone else replied

"I don't know much about this, but from just quickly reading your post, it looks like you're not taking account the per kg part in the .35 mmol/kg/second. In other words, work = force x distance, not just distance (measure in units of time given a constant rep speed)."

then I replied "can you give me an example of what you mean? I see this as the important part..

"At 70% of maximum weight, both studies found a glycogen
depletion rate of roughly 1.3 mmol/kg/repetition or 0.35 mmol/kg/second of work performed (8,9).
This makes it possible to estimate the amount of glycogen which is depleted for a set of lasting a
given amount of time (table 2)."

Also..

"Table 2: Amount of glycogen depleted for sets of differing lengths
Length of set (seconds) Glycogen depleted (mmol/kg)
30 10
40 14
50 17
60 21
70 24
80 28
90 31"

The length of the set is the number on the left, and the amount of glycogen depleted is the number on the right."

And he replied "mmol/kg is the amount of glycogen depleted per kg of weight used. So if you do 50 seconds of squats with 100 kg, you will burn (17 mmol/kg) x (100 kg) = 1700 mmol of glycogen (going by the chart)."

then I replied "hmmm, ok that makes some sense. Here is a chart that shows glycogen levels for various diets..

"Table 1: Glycogen levels under different conditions
Condition Diet Glycogen level (mmol/kg)
Supercompensated High carb 175
Athlete Mixed diet 110-130
Normal individual Mixed diet 80-100
Normal individual, Ketogenic diet 70
- aerobic exercise only
Fat burning increases 70
Exercise performance decreased 40
Exhaustion 15-25"

so for a person on a ketogenic diet that weighs 65 kg he has 70 X 65 = 4550 mmols of glycogen? Hmm..

I am not sure about your squat example... the only weight range where there is any evidence is 70% of your one rep max.. plus some people can squat 100kg with little effort compared to others."

And he replied "Just so you know, I'm only going by what your writing and what I know of physics. I could be missing something completely. However, it does makes sense for them to give the amount of glycogen burned per kg, since it should scale linearly with the weight used. In other words, 5 reps with 500 lbs will use 5 times more energy than 5 reps with 100 lbs.

The 70 percent range is so the energy you are using to lift the weight comes from glycogen and not from other sources. Physics doesn't care about effort though with regards to work done. So 100 kg moved 3 feet upwards will require the same amount of energy weather you are Ronnie Coleman, an elephant, or an ant."

I replied "hmmm, now I am getting more confused. if in the formula .35mmol/kg/seconds of work performed..

If in that formula kg = kg of bodyweight that would be 65 for me approximately.

so 65 * .35 * 250 seconds of work = 5687.5 glycogen depleted... and that would be way too much.

Or, if in the formula kg = kg lifted, it would be even more glycogen depleted, which also wouldn't make sense...

That would mean I would have to consume approximately 1000g of carbs to refill glycogen after each workout, and that can't be right.

So I am lost..

Take a look at this:

"For weight training, the amount of carbs needed will depend solely on the amount of
training being done. Recall from the previous sections that a set of weight training lasting 45
seconds will use approximately 15.7 mmol/kg of glycogen. Individuals on an SKD typically
maintain glycogen levels around 70 mmol/kg and performance will be extremely compromised if
glycogen is lowered to 40 mmol/kg, allowing roughly 2 sets per bodypart to be performed.
Assuming ~30 mmol/kg used per bodypart in 2 sets, we can estimate how much
carbohydrate is needed to replace that amount of glycogen. To convert mmol of glycogen to
grams of carbohydrate, we simply divide mmol by 5.56.
30 mmol/kg divided by 5.56 = ~5 grams of carbohydrates to replace 30 mmol of glycogen."

And he replied "Yeah, now I'm looking at the book. It looks like, when talking about the amount of glycogen you have, it's in mmol of glycogen per kg of muscle. So your calculation above would be correct if you used the amount of muscle you had instead of your weight.

However, for glycogen depletion during weight training, it looks like Lyle also treats it like mmol of glycogen per kg of muscle. However, that doesn't make sense to me for the reasons I stated above. So for now, I will defer to others."

Then they got into a brief discussion of physics that didn't really relate (I can copy/paste that here if you think it would be useful), and we didn't solve anything..
 
Yeah, but the total sets he's assuming are much lower. In any case, 25-50g of carb will surely be just fine for you. If you follow his estimated glycogen depletion numbers, even halved, he would be recommending considerably more than that.

I'm still not really clear on what you mean by you're 'seeing better gains in your upper body' with what you're doing now. I still think that's way too many exercises. If you can do a set in 8-15 seconds, that can't possibly be intense enough imo. Could you talk about this in more detail?

Also, I think the week off would be a very good idea. I hadn't realized you've been training for a year and a half!

Well, my upper body seems to get stronger with every session actually, each time I can put more up on the bench press! The rest of my upper body doesn't gain as much as my chest, though, like shoulders, they seem to be hit and miss... some days the same weight feels light, other days I can barely lift it 10 times. Triceps are making good gains, and biceps have improved well since Christmas. Back (if you consider that upper body) is making really good gain... I can pull so much more on the rowing machine than I use to be able too. Lats as well, lat pulldown is making great gains.

About the 8-15 second thing, perhaps it actually is more, but I can't imagine much more. Like a set of shrugs.. couldn't be any more than 20 seconds. Set of bench, maybe 20? Bicep curls, 10 seconds for each arm probably, triceps 10-15 seconds total for each set...

I can't imagine sitting on the bench press and taking 60 seconds to do a set, those would be some SLOOOW ass reps... same for most of my lifts really. I don't know if that has much to do with intensity really though, does it? Why is going fast less intense?

Yeah, perhaps a week off is a good idea.. I will be taking about 10 days off once school ends in three months, going to go to california and I was hoping that would suffice for my deloading phase, I have been thinking of when would be a good time to do that and what I should do while deloading..
 
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I can't imagine sitting on the bench press and taking 60 seconds to do a set, those would be some SLOOOW ass reps... same for most of my lifts really. I don't know if that has much to do with intensity really though, does it? Why is going fast less intense?

Well, a tempo of 2("lowering")-0("pause")-1("lifting") means 30s for 10 reps, or 24s for 8. It's usually more work if you're controlling the eccentric portion of the lift. So, if you do 15-20 reps, that's 45-60s per set. I don't understand what you're doing if it only takes you 1 second from start to finish. That's very explosive.

Going fast isn't less intense. Except in that that some people sacrifice form when they go fast. So it may seem like you're getting stronger when really you're just bouncing the weight more and recruiting other muscles. Not saying this is the case, it's just a possibility. Usually faster = more intensity, but, when I speak of intensity I'm referring to the volume/frequency/intensity dynamic. Your frequency and volume are high, so intensity is low. Based on what I've read I'm not a fan of that kind of training, but as some of the experienced lifters said in your legs thread, that doesn't necessarily mean it won't work for you (it sure has for them).

I think that for me high intensity, moderate frequency and moderate volume work best. We seem to have similar builds, minus all my extra fat, so I'm guessing you'd respond well to what's working for me right now. Then again you're much further into your training, so who knows.

What I do know for sure is that I just discovered that I can eat way more bacon than I thought I could. :D I'll get to your other post shortly, just noticed it there.
 
well I bought the book Starting Strength and am going to do that program starting Monday. I feel fat again, though, and it's uncomfortable to be sitting so I am going to cut fat until then, hopefully getting my fat to a level where it's not uncomfortable to sit... ha.:drooling1:

I'll post my before and after pictures when I'm done, I have quite the bloated look going right now.

So I guess my conclusion is that you CAN'T eat an unlimited amount on keto and not gain fat, you can eat a lot more than usual.... but not 4000 calories or whatever.

Least I know now.

Anyway, I am 165 pounds in the mornings... just three weeks ago I was 156 at the end of my cut. I did restart creatine.. but that is some fast gains.. meh.

EDIT: Also, my appetite has died down, it's like that natural bodyweight thing is happening... where my body is auto regulating it. When I got off of my cut I was constantly hungry for like 5000+ calories, now that I am getting fatter my appetite is dead. You'd think that that wouldn't matter... the more mass you have the bigger your appetite.
 
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well, that was a short lived cut, I decided to say hell with that and continue with my main goal of building muscle. I will however, keep my calories lower than I did before, I will actually restrict myself a bit this time. No more 5,000 calorie days. I will shoot for 2900-3500 depending on activity for the day... just a bit more than I would eat with carbs in my diet.

Anyway, I spent all of yesterday and today inbetween class reading my book. After classes ended for the day I went to the "real" gym at my college, where all the football players train and stuff. They have four squat racks, four bench racks, and a few barbells just lying on the floor... so it definitely has everything I need to do this program.

The only problem is that gym will be closing for a week for spring break coming up on March 2nd.... so I am not sure how I will be able to do my squats. My old gym is apparently going to be open still... so I will have to find some way to substitute a few exercises for squats...

If anybody has any ideas of a few exercises that I could do that would be an OK for squats that would help me a lot.

I am thinking I could maybe do cable pullthroughs, and leg extensions and curls... I dunno. Maybe just leg press?

Anyway, the workout was very easy on this day. I started out not lifting incredibly heavy because the program calls for progressive loading every session in the gym. So here is what I did.

Squats:
Did about four warm up sets and then for my work sets I chose to start with 30's on each side. So, 3X5 at 105.

It wasn't easy for me to do that actually... I think I have the form down pretty well, I was doing full squats below parallel, but I want to videotape myself soon when I am lifting real weight.

Next I did Bench:
warmed up for two sets and my work sets were:
3 X 5 at 155

This wasn't bad, I think I can keep loading this all the way up to 195 with a 3 X 5 rep scheme.

Then I did deadlifts:
two warm up sets and then my work set was:
1 X 5 at 145

Deadlifts felt amazing as usual, but I am going to read through the book again to make sure my form is OK, I think my back angle is steeper than it should be. Nearly 90 degrees when the weight is on the floor.

Oh, and then I did the assist exercises 2X8 dips and 3X10 weighted situps.

My plan is to keep loading 2 and a half pound plates (or 5 pounds total) every time I get in there until I plateau... I think I left myself with plenty of room.

Next time I am in the gym the program calls for squats, military press, and power cleans. I haven't done a power clean since high school so I will start with the bar and try to get the form down before I add weight.
 
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Weight training was good, I made some slight changes to the program for people that aren't just starting to lift. I wanted to get some calf work in there and a posterior chain exercise.

So here is my new routine:

Workout 1
Squats = 3 x 5
Bench = 3 x 5
Deadlift = 1 x 5
Dips = 3 X 8
Pendlay rows = 3 x 5
Glute Ham Raises 2 X 8 (progressively add weight and reps)
Calf Raises 3 X 15
Weighted Situps = 3 X 10
(On Fridays 2 sets of curls and lying tricep extensions)

Workout 2
Squats = 3 x 5
Overhead press = 3 x 5
Power clean = 3 x 5
Pullups = 3 X 8
Glute Ham Raises 3 X 8
Calf Raises 3 X 10
Weighted Situps = 3 X 10



Today I did workout 2. I haven't done power cleans since high school but I think I got the hang of it pretty well. I always do 2-4 warm up sets on the big lifts but I will list my work sets here:

Squats 3 X 5 X 110

Military Press 3 X 5 X 75

Power Clean 3 X 5 X 75

Chin-ups 3 X 8

Glute ham raises 3 X 8

Bicep curls 2 X 8 X 30

Skull crushers 2 X 8 X 20

Calf Raises 3 X 15 X 180 (leg press)

Weighted Situps 3 X 10 X 25 pound plate.

Workout felt really good, the military press and power clean were awesome... they both gave me a good workout. I think my power clean form is pretty good.. but I am not sure. I will try to get a video next time.
 
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my run at keto is going to come to an end for a little while. I got another body fat test and all of my measurements stayed the same except my abdomen went up another full milimeter.

So, my conclusions on keto bulking:

You will gain less fat, but you'll gain a lot less muscle as well... even if you eat around 5,000 calories per day like I did.

In fact, the amount of fat you gain in proportion to the amount of muscle you gain is about the same with carbs or on keto.

So ****, my goal is to be building muscle as fast as possible so I am going to do a higher carb diet. I love eating keto type foods but i'll have to eat some damn carbs for a while.

I will cut on a keto diet for 2-3 weeks before the summer starts, going to go to california with some friends and want to look good for it and for the summer.

Here's weight training for the day:

SQUATS 3 X 5 X 115
BENCH 3 X 5 X 160
DEADLIFTS 1 X 5 X 155
DIPS 2 X 8
PENDALY ROWS 3 X 5 X 85
GLUTE HAM RAISES 3 X 8 X 5
CALF RAISES 3 X 10 X 2 45’S AND A 25
ABS 3 X 10 X 35
 
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