Journey, Not A Destination

Competition can be an addiction for people... to be bigger/stronger/faster that those around them...

Exactly....

In it's purest form that's all bodybuilding is; a competition.

I've seen what happened to Arnold but what happens to the majority of these people when they're past their 'prime'?

Well many believe that all that bulk turns into fat.

This isn't true though. Fat and muscle as most of you know are two separate tissues and one can't turn into the other.

That said, I think a lot of these guys burn out. Ya know, they're used to eating a shit ton of food to facilitate that kind of growth and muscle. When they burn out after decades of nothing but pumping iron day in and day out for hours on hours, they have the tendency to gain fat b/c of the big appetites they have. Only now, they aren't taking the drugs and doing the level of exercise they once were to turn that excess into the muscle.

You're left with a big, soft guy.

Body building competitions have been around since I was a kid -I remember watching them occassionally on Wide World of Sports on Sunday so a lot of early competitors are well into their 50s 60s and older...

Right, and not all of them get fat. Some guys maintain healthy lifestyles forever. They don't look stage ready forever.... that's impossible. But they look 'good' relatively speaking.
 
These bodybuilders life span isnt very long right? Lifting incredible amounts of weight can have a toll on the organs, or am i wrong?

I don't think they're much shorter than the next guys to be honest. I don't think there are actual figures published.

Some of the pros... the big drug users.... obviously have some health issues down the road. But not all of them. It's common to see early heart attacks and the like from such heavy drug use.

But the guys who aren't drug users, if anything, I'd suspect are living longer than the average. These guys are VERY healthy.
 
I don't think they're much shorter than the next guys to be honest. I don't think there are actual figures published.

Some of the pros... the big drug users.... obviously have some health issues down the road. But not all of them. It's common to see early heart attacks and the like from such heavy drug use.

But the guys who aren't drug users, if anything, I'd suspect are living longer than the average. These guys are VERY healthy.

See i always thought most, if not all took drugs, but thats pretty neat how a lot stay clear away from it. I guess thats what media did to me aka magazines. I assumed since i knew the guys in magazines were roided up, that most also jumped on the bandwagon. The clean guys have some damn determination, and i can see how their lifespan can be greater than the average,
 
I wanted to apologize Steve in case I came off sounding narrow-minded or judgmental. I did not mean any of my comments to sound like that. It is facinating in a way, how someone can have such control overthemselves like that.

No need for apologies.

1. I'm not a bodybuilder so I can't really take offense.

2. What you've said and asked so far isn't offensive. You are simply curious.

And to be honest.... I'm probably not the best source of information on the subject. I have a lot of bodybuilder friends but as I said ealier.... it's just not something I'm into really. I kind of do my own thing. Some would say I live the bodybuilder lifestyle. I eat all the food an lift all the weights. But being freaky big isn't really my concern. I like being muscular. But I also like being fast, flexible, powerful, etc. That's not to say bodybuilders aren't these things too.

But they train almost solely for muscle size.

I train for a few attributes.

This and I'd never step on stage in a bodybuilding setting. It's just not my thing.

I guess all of us in here, even if we aren't bodybuilding, are trying to exert some of that control to an extent. I would love to have some definition down the line, it is just interesting how people go from that to professional bodybuilding, especially for someone who has spent the bulk of their life out of shape.

Once you get a control over your body.... it's quite the thing really. I can understand how guys/girls go in the direction of bodybuilding. Having the power to control what you look like is amazing. You've got to remember, most of the people you see have been lifting seriously since they were teens. They never were fat. Drugs or not, genetics play a huge role in bodybuilding.

I'll add that having control over your physique doesn't mean you have to look freaky muscular either.
 
One more question for ya Steve (kinda off the BB topic)...

Do you take in creatine at all? I know you may have answered this already but im too lazy too look for it. What is your opinion on taking creatine while building muscle. The reason for asking is, i have recently began to work out a lot more since i hit my weight loss goal, and i am working on building muscle. I eat 2500-3000 calories a day which may not help, but im kind of monitoring where my level is so i have a sort of "clean" gain. I want minimal body fat gain, but im afraid creatine will do all the wrong things for me. I picked up EAS Phosphagen HP, but have yet to take it because im quite frankly nervous of the outcome. I need an opinion.
 
See i always thought most, if not all took drugs, but thats pretty neat how a lot stay clear away from it.

The famous guys....

They take drugs. Don't be fooled.

Drugs, as in steroids, are probably the most used substance out there. I don't think the people in our country quite understand how many people use steroids.

This is especially true in the bodybuilding world.

A great number use. I can't give you a percentage.... but it's high.

I'm just saying, there are the natural competitions out there. They don't get near the noteriaty or publicity b/c again, if you aren't freaky, you don't sell. But nonetheless, it's respectable.

Tom Venuto whose book I've referenced a few times is a natural bodybuilder. I'd take a physique like his in a second.



I guess thats what media did to me aka magazines. I assumed since i knew the guys in magazines were roided up, that most also jumped on the bandwagon. The clean guys have some damn determination, and i can see how their lifespan can be greater than the average,

I'll add to this that drugs don't automatically equal less determination and effort. The roided up guys in the magazines bust their asses beyond belief. The gym is their job. Drugs make the end result different....

Not the hard work and determination.

Certainly I have more respect for the father of two with a full time job who enters a local, drug-free venue and wins. That's damn impressive to build that kind of physique with a full plate.

But it's different worlds between the two, really.
 
One more question for ya Steve (kinda off the BB topic)...

Do you take in creatine at all? I know you may have answered this already but im too lazy too look for it. What is your opinion on taking creatine while building muscle. The reason for asking is, i have recently began to work out a lot more since i hit my weight loss goal, and i am working on building muscle. I eat 2500-3000 calories a day which may not help, but im kind of monitoring where my level is so i have a sort of "clean" gain. I want minimal body fat gain, but im afraid creatine will do all the wrong things for me. I picked up EAS Phosphagen HP, but have yet to take it because im quite frankly nervous of the outcome. I need an opinion.

Here's what I've said before on the subject of creatine.

For starters, it's probably the only supplement I'd ever consider taking, assuming you don't consider protein powder and fish oils supps.

Personally, I don't take it though.

In the short-term, it draws water into the muscles, which makes you stronger as CSA (cross-sectional area) increases.

Long term, creatine helps gains because it allows you to train more with a given load, due to faster turn around of short-term energy. Creatine leads to increased creatine phosphate in the muscles, which provides quick replenishment to AMP/ADP (adenosine mono and di-phosphate), allowing it to be ATP (adenosine triphosphate). If you don't know what ATP is, look it up. Pretty important little bugger.

Some people, myself included, don't realize any benefits upon use of creatine supplementation. The reason for this is they most likely have a high starting level of creatine in their muscles naturally.

Who's it for? Really anyone looking for increased performance; have it be sport or in the gym. I know a lot of people who think creatine is only for those looking to pack on some muscle. It's not a supplement that directly builds muscle though. It's a supplement that gives you the capacity to do more work in a given time, which indirectly, assuming calories are positioned correctly, can lead to hypertrophy.

What about those who are dieting? Well most here would die if they took it, lol. Reason being, most around these parts have the incessant need to step on a stupid square every single day to find out how much water and glycogen has shifted in the acute time period (i.e., they like to weigh themselves a lot).

Creatine, as I said before, will draw water into the muscles, which will play out as more total body weight. You didn't get fatter, but I'm sure it would freak out a good many people around here.

I know a lot of bodybuilders and powerlifters who use it while dieting down and love it as it allows performance to remain high while energetically the body is at a deficit.

Understand I'm not sitting here claiming everyone and their grandmas should go out to GNC and pick themselves up some Creatine. I'm simply saying it's one of the few supps out there with a proven efficacy.

Should you take it? That's up to you. I'm not sure what you thought it was going to do for you but hopefully this post has shed some light for you.

Now the idea of a clean bulk is kind of misleading. You are eating enough for muscle growth to occur, probably. I start with 17-18 calories per pound, which you're at or above. I track my progress from there and if the inches are not going up as desired, I increase the intake. I usually start my bulks eating something like 3250 calories and end them close to 4000 calories.

Clean bulking is misleading b/c we each do different things while in a caloric surplus.... and this is assuming of course that all your training is up to snuff and all.

Some will be more inclined naturally to store the excess in muscle while others in fat. The bottomline is you have to be willing to accept some fat gain. And you can't do much to alter where the excess energy goes, unfortunately. I mean, if you are training adequately and not eating way above what's necessary, you'll definitely pack on some muscle... don't get me wrong.

In all cases, the best bet is to try to minimize fat gains by eating/bulking smart. Yes, you need to eat over maintenance but given the fact that you can't fast forward muscle growth, there's no need to eat waaaaaaaay over maintenance. You want to find the sweet spot where you're seeing some weight gain, but not gaining too much fat.
 
I think negative reps are amusing.... especially from new members.

I mean if I get neg repped for trying to help someone and be sincere.... I might as well just say, "Hey fuck you, you fucking moron. You're acting like a retard and anyone with half a fucking brain between their ears would know that what you're doing currently is not conducive for weight loss."

I mean, I wonder what they'd do then?
 
I really hope you copied and pasted that from where you posted it originally and didn't retype the whole thing :

What about those who are dieting? Well most here would die if they took it, lol. Reason being, most around these parts have the incessant need to step on a stupid square every single day to find out how much water and glycogen has shifted in the acute time period (i.e., they like to weigh themselves a lot).
Is still my favorite paragraph :)
 
I really hope you copied and pasted that from where you posted it originally and didn't retype the whole thing :

I copied and pasted for sure!

I remembered that post since it was a good discussion on here and simply searched for posts made by me that included the word creatine.

It brought back great memories of Chuck Roast, lol. Some good actually came from him being here.
 
Behold the power of search :D

that thread ended up being quite interesting... though dumbass never did tell me what I needed to do... I've been stuck ever since :D
 
I appreciate the help steve, i really do and boo to the new members for bashing on him for giving advice.

I will take all that information into consideration as i have not yet made my decision on taking it. I may give it a few weeks and see where i am without it, but it would be nice to take in order to make better progress in the gym.
 
i really do and boo to the new members for bashing on him for giving advice
Some people have a tough time with the concept of asking questions they really don't want answers to - or rather honest answers...

steve's a good honest boy scout :)
 

the chick at the end her heels coming up as she's warp speed squatting don't look right to me but whatta I know :)

the speed they're doing it at - just looks painful...
 
Not sure if I showed this before yet or not on here..... girl kicking the guys ass in overhead squats. Amazingly good form too.
 
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