Journey, Not A Destination

Steve, I was trying to find you on spark but couldn't for the life of me. How did it work out? Did you mess with any of the members? Ha ha

There's nothing really to debate over that that I've seen. Most of what's being passed along as advice is pretty solid, relatively speaking.

I have not wandered outside of the message boards there either. I doubt I'll be on there much, I just don't like the layout of the message boards. Plus, things are busy around this forum!

My name over there is stroutman81.
 
Good Morning my Steve O Trainer Stud puppy!! yesterday was squats day, OUCH!!!! my legs are feeling it today, but it's ALL GOOD!! weight loss hurts, in a good way I have to say!! Hope your day is a good one!
Kim
 
Hi, Steve. Just thought I'd pop in and say hello. I left some words of explanation in my journal. I'm still pretty busy, but I'll try to get here at least once a day.

Yea Tom, it's great to hear from you again! Hopefully the schedule clears up even more soon!
 
Good morning!! I have been thinling about it and you remind me of wonder boy!! I know I'm kind of crazy, but I reallt think you fit the bill. Hope you have a great day!!:D

Who is wonder boy?

I'll assume it to be a compliment and say thanks in advance! :p
 
I didn't know you had a diary! How's the training coming along?

I actually posted something off-topic because i thought weight loss diary wasnt supposed to be for weight gaining.

Michael

Yo Michael, thanks for stopping in. :)

Yea, I think my first post on this forum was me starting a journal. Figured I'd make myself a home from the get go.

I saw your post about your bulking diet man.... and that's crazy. I know some big ass dudes.... I mean BIG who don't need to eat what you eat to gain.

I feel for you.

Hell, I have trouble with 4000 calories.

Training is going great now.... I was slacking since I got married in July. I never stopped training, but went into maintenance mode. I'm back to bulking throughout the winter.
 
Good Morning my Steve O Trainer Stud puppy!! yesterday was squats day, OUCH!!!! my legs are feeling it today, but it's ALL GOOD!! weight loss hurts, in a good way I have to say!! Hope your day is a good one!
Kim

Squats.... sucn a fun, yet killer of an exercise!

Glad to hear you are doing so well though.
 
Congrats on the marriage! You bulked to 210? That's nice...my body doesn't like to gain weight...but when i train without sufficient volume...the muscle gains trickle down to a halt also.

I've completely altered my training technique for this experiment...or so you could call it.

#1: Ive thrown out the clean bulk. I'll eat 4500 calories and 300 g of protein everyday, I don't care what I have to eat to do it.
#2: I completely revamped my workout program. Ive changed my exercise order, my days off, frequency, and variation. Examples of this include 2-3 different exercise groups (comprising 3 exercises) for each muscle rotated on a 21 day schedule.

For example:
Chest 1: wide grip bench press, incline machine press, cable crossover flys
Chest 2: dumbbell press, decline press, pec deck flys

Ive altered my workout schedule to coincide with the size of the muscle group. Because im incorporating so many more isolation exercises I feel like I can train the muscle group within a certain period without having to worry about the catabolizing effect of over-training. Right now it is set up as: biceps/shoulders/abs every 3 days, triceps every 4 days, chest/back/quads every 5 days, hamstring/glutes every 6 days.

#3: I'm removing all cardio. I've severely limited my compound exercise volume. Before I'd do stiff-legged deadlifts, sumo deadlifts, deadlifts, hack squats, front squats, power squats (you get the idea). This has been altered to deadlifts and a few squat variations to more intense isolation exercises (curls/extensions/leg press).

Michael
 
Very interesting....

Congrats on the marriage!

Thanks man.

You bulked to 210? That's nice...my body doesn't like to gain weight...

Yea, best bulk I've had yet.

but when i train without sufficient volume...the muscle gains trickle down to a halt also.

When I bulk, I bump volume way up from when I cut due to the increased capacity to handle it via more energy and recoverability.

I've completely altered my training technique for this experiment...or so you could call it.

#1: Ive thrown out the clean bulk. I'll eat 4500 calories and 300 g of protein everyday, I don't care what I have to eat to do it.
#2: I completely revamped my workout program. Ive changed my exercise order, my days off, frequency, and variation. Examples of this include 2-3 different exercise groups (comprising 3 exercises) for each muscle rotated on a 21 day schedule.

For example:
Chest 1: wide grip bench press, incline machine press, cable crossover flys
Chest 2: dumbbell press, decline press, pec deck flys

Ive altered my workout schedule to coincide with the size of the muscle group. Because im incorporating so many more isolation exercises I feel like I can train the muscle group within a certain period without having to worry about the catabolizing effect of over-training. Right now it is set up as: biceps/shoulders/abs every 3 days, triceps every 4 days, chest/back/quads every 5 days, hamstring/glutes every 6 days.

#3: I'm removing all cardio. I've severely limited my compound exercise volume. Before I'd do stiff-legged deadlifts, sumo deadlifts, deadlifts, hack squats, front squats, power squats (you get the idea). This has been altered to deadlifts and a few squat variations to more intense isolation exercises (curls/extensions/leg press).

Michael

See, you and I have very different training philosophies.

Our bulks are similar in that even though I increase my volume, I don't do so by increasing a bunch more compound exercises. My isolation exercises go way up compared to a cutting phase.

That said though, beyond that, we differ considerably. I've always trained to follow the recoverability of a muscle. My take: if you don't figure out when you are recovered from a bout, and you overestimate how much time is needed, you'll spend some time detraining and you'll be working suboptimally in that context.

I'm very "big picture" with my thinking, but at the same time I'm very much a utilitarian and value simplicity above all else.

My ideal hypertrophy program:

1. Creates sufficient tension with heavy sets and a low volume of work

2. Creates sufficient fatigue with light to moderate sets and a relatively high volume of work, in the form of high reps, short rest intervals, or dropsets.

3. Uses a gradual increase in weight on the heavy sets

4. Uses a rapid rate of increase on the fatigue sets

5. Hits each muscle group no less than twice per seven day interval

6. Allows for concentric failure no more than once in a given four-week period.

7. Emphasizes eccentric loading, especially on the "failure" or peaking weeks

8. Allows for a week of unloading and recovery after the failure/peaking week.

You can tweak and twist that any which way you'd like, but whatever I'm doing while bulking is going to fit these principles into the program.

Oh yea, and I threw that whole 'clean, slow bulking' out the window ages ago. It's futile. I've realized my best results in terms of hypertrophy eating to support my training. I worry about my essentials like protein and efas, and beyond that, it's pretty much fair game. Whatever can help me meet my caloric goals. The more calorically dense, the better!

I'm interested to see how your programs turns out. I'm sure it will be fine as long as you consistently keep you cals up.
 
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Morning Steve! Hell, if I had the hormones for it, I'd be a good bulker--hey Claudia, wouldn't that be nice to AIM for 4000 calories?!?! :D Have a killer day, Steve!

Stuffing yourself gets old quick, trust me.

When I'm done bulking, I always welcome the feeling of hunger that accompany the preceding cut.

That said, I get sick of them too, lol.

I'm tough to please, and refuse to simply maintain.....
 
Yes, I know you enjoy morphing. Or basically always working on moving toward an appearance of some sort. Variety, the spice, of life, etc. :)

WOW bulking is a SCIENCE isn't it? *ding ding*
 
WOW bulking is a SCIENCE isn't it? *ding ding*

Meh, not really. Really it's as simple as eating enough to fuel recovery and growth and supplying an appropriate and progressive stimulus for growth.

Certainly you can get into some crazy ass sciency stuff wrt to hypertrophy.... but it's really not necessary.
 
Now there is a topic. Concentric and eccentric variations. I'd love to talk to you about range of motion too.

My range of motion varies within a workout...but i vary my concentric and eccentric loads on a rotation. I have class at 11 so i have to bolt but I'm curious what your views on these 3 things are.

Michael
 
What have you been doing first?

If I remember correctly, you are following a pretty strict caloric intake, something like 1200 calories, right?

The less energy you supply, the lower your capacity to handle work is.

Yeah I am the one that has the 1,200 calorie menue BUT I eat pretty good size meals and if ya check out my menue I have every food group lots of fruits and veggies I think alot of things I eat that are fat free are pretty much low in cals to and thats why I have alot on my menue but it totalls 1100-1300.
Exersices I usually workout about 45 minutes which is either walking 45 minutes OR 5-6 miles on stationary bike,weights,squats,crunches,girly pushups,dancing.I keep hearing great things about the eliptical and since I have one I would like to try that just need to know how long and how much to increase each week?The digital thing doesn't work on it so I don't have clue how much I am doing just how long,any info would be great!Tammy
 
I think Blancita and I should start bulking--so we can eat 4000 calories a day...lmao. If only.....:rolleyes:

Hope you have a splendid day, Wooley Mankini Man. ;)
 
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