You said the test costs $800. I don't think I could afford to be paying out that kind of money every 6 weeks.
It Is Time To Stop Killing Myself With Food
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You said the test costs $800. I don't think I could afford to be paying out that kind of money every 6 weeks.
Heading2Buffdom
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For sure
Once you have the first test, you can certainly set up a formula to measure gains without the test. It isn't perfect, but it is better than nothing. I will talk to the individuals who administer the tests (work with many Olympians, Professional stars and the man off the street as well), and see if they can give me a more acute description of things. Give me a couple days if you don't mind. I will try to find as many manual tests as possible.
Once you have the first test, you can certainly set up a formula to measure gains without the test. It isn't perfect, but it is better than nothing. I will talk to the individuals who administer the tests (work with many Olympians, Professional stars and the man off the street as well), and see if they can give me a more acute description of things. Give me a couple days if you don't mind. I will try to find as many manual tests as possible.
I feel very sorry for you. Very. And my last few posts were not directed toward you. Don't worry. They were directed to the others in the forum who actually listen to science. I was done "helping" you a long time ago. Thanks for the clarification though.
I suggest you take some time and do your homework, especially before coming at me with ignorant BS. You can lose weight however the hell you want. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to expend more energy than you take in. But when you start spouting off about what is optimal, again, I suggest you do your homework.
Grediagin A, et al. Exercise intensity does not effect body composition change in untrained, moderately overfat women. J Am Diet Assoc. 1995 Jun;95(6):661-5.
Mougios V, et al. Does the intensity of an exercise programme modulate body composition changes? Int J Sports Med. 2006 Mar;27(3):178-81.
Okura T, et al. Effects of exercise intensity on physical fitness and risk factors for coronary heart disease. Obes Res. 2003 Sep;11(9):1131-9.
Tremblay, et al. Impact of exercise intensity on body fatness and skeletal muscle metabolism. Metabolism. 1994 Jul;43(7):814-8
Yoshioka M, et al. Impact of high-intensity exercise on energy expenditure, lipid oxidation and body fatness. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Mar;25(3):332-9.
Broeder CE, et al. The effects of either high-intensity resistance or endurance training on resting metabolic rate. Am J Clin Nutr. 1992 Apr;55(4):802-10.
For anyone who actually cares about science, much of the research that is long withstanding actually shows better muscle maintenance through the utilization of higher intensity exercise modes.
HIIT, being one form of high intensity training, is not recommended by almost every single elite coach on all levels of sport for no reason at all.
Give me a break.
Let me ask you this:
You lost this argument when you based your entire side on the idea that burning fat is required or optimal for fat loss.
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Heading2Buffdom
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Lol
You're right. I lost. You won. Congratulations. When do you get your championship ring made?
lol
my final comment is that I am training in a fat burning zone. This does not mean that the fat burning takes place only in that period when you are training in the zone. The body goes through a complex process to fuel and recover fuel and metabolic rates are of huge importance.
For your information, my testing and programs are designed by one of the world's best athletic trainers. He works with Olympic gold medallists, has stood on the podium, and is flown all over the world to work with the best of the best. He has worked with 180 of your best in the US. He was also trained and educated in eastern block countries when those countries were dominating the world. He currently has the 2 fittest athletes (male and female) in the world. He has a bit of experience.
With all due respect to you and your stellar/superior knowledge, I think I will probably stick with someone who is the best in the world. But thanks.
You're right. I lost. You won. Congratulations. When do you get your championship ring made?
lol
my final comment is that I am training in a fat burning zone. This does not mean that the fat burning takes place only in that period when you are training in the zone. The body goes through a complex process to fuel and recover fuel and metabolic rates are of huge importance.
For your information, my testing and programs are designed by one of the world's best athletic trainers. He works with Olympic gold medallists, has stood on the podium, and is flown all over the world to work with the best of the best. He has worked with 180 of your best in the US. He was also trained and educated in eastern block countries when those countries were dominating the world. He currently has the 2 fittest athletes (male and female) in the world. He has a bit of experience.
With all due respect to you and your stellar/superior knowledge, I think I will probably stick with someone who is the best in the world. But thanks.
You are a moron. Period.
Heading2Buffdom
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PS - to the shirtless wonder
just so you know, I am not debating training. I started off by answering YOUR question about why I would exercise the way I choose. I am a former three sport college athlete, who has worked with many athletes who are now making millions in professional sports. You have chosen to turn this into a debate. I answered a specific question.
As well, I heard you refer to a very, very nice person as "morbidly obese". That's really nice. That would be like me saying you have a great build but you look like Howdy Doody. It wouldn't be nice, but it would be true.
I never asked for your help. Find someone else who wants it. I seriously don't want or need it.
just so you know, I am not debating training. I started off by answering YOUR question about why I would exercise the way I choose. I am a former three sport college athlete, who has worked with many athletes who are now making millions in professional sports. You have chosen to turn this into a debate. I answered a specific question.
As well, I heard you refer to a very, very nice person as "morbidly obese". That's really nice. That would be like me saying you have a great build but you look like Howdy Doody. It wouldn't be nice, but it would be true.
I never asked for your help. Find someone else who wants it. I seriously don't want or need it.
Thanks for proving my above point.
Heading2Buffdom
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as to the moron comment
I may be a moron. If so, that would be even more reason why I would stick to knowledgeable (and shirt wearing) experts when I get my advice.
But thanks.
I may be a moron. If so, that would be even more reason why I would stick to knowledgeable (and shirt wearing) experts when I get my advice.
But thanks.
Do you have anything useful to add to this conversation? Other than, "I work with the greatest trainer in the world and I know athletes making millions."
Realize, I never once brought any of my personal "life qualifications" into this discussion. I really don't like to get emotionally attached to things of this nature. I find it to be idiocy in its purest form.
I only ever stated facts. Well, up until the point where you started being a moron, I only stated facts.
Mind you, YOU came to a public forum. If you didn't expect discussion or debate, then yes, my point stands.... you are a moron.
I think you have proven this point time and time again already. Trying to cut me down b/c I am not wearing a shirt in a picture. Haha, is that really all you have?
Keep going. This is a riot.
Who is your trainer? That goodness he is the best in the world, b/c the level of intelligence you have presented in this discussion has certainly proven that you need the best if there is any hope for you whatsoever.
Realize, I never once brought any of my personal "life qualifications" into this discussion. I really don't like to get emotionally attached to things of this nature. I find it to be idiocy in its purest form.
I only ever stated facts. Well, up until the point where you started being a moron, I only stated facts.
Mind you, YOU came to a public forum. If you didn't expect discussion or debate, then yes, my point stands.... you are a moron.
I think you have proven this point time and time again already. Trying to cut me down b/c I am not wearing a shirt in a picture. Haha, is that really all you have?
Keep going. This is a riot.
Who is your trainer? That goodness he is the best in the world, b/c the level of intelligence you have presented in this discussion has certainly proven that you need the best if there is any hope for you whatsoever.
Heading2Buffdom
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lol - me add to the conversation???
it's my thread......lol
if I want to talk about eating dirt, I can. You have hijacked the thread.
If I am a moron, then I will be easy to ignore. As in.....why do you keep coming back?
it's my thread......lol
if I want to talk about eating dirt, I can. You have hijacked the thread.
If I am a moron, then I will be easy to ignore. As in.....why do you keep coming back?
gentlemen - -please... a little forum decorum pretty please...
mommy has a wicked bad headache today
mommy has a wicked bad headache today
Good straw man argument. Bravo.
Get used to it, you will find me in a lot of threads around this forum.
I don't even know why you need a support forum if you have the best damn trainer in the world.
I suggest taking your sycophant ass elsewhere if you are going to continue spewing misinformation. If you choose not to leave, and continue to spew misinformation.... stay tuned for MANY discussions/debates.
Heading2Buffdom
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lol
wow.
i didn't spew any misinformation. you chose to ask me a question which i chose to answer. just like i can now say i choose to pretend you don't exist. lol
wow.
i didn't spew any misinformation. you chose to ask me a question which i chose to answer. just like i can now say i choose to pretend you don't exist. lol
ToothlessFerret
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/Ferret sends Mal a nice back rub....
TomO
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I have to say, I don't understand why you would bother coming on a public internet forum.
First of all, there are no threads that are "owned" by any individual. This thread is no more "your" thread than it is mine. Sure, we all try to respect each other's threads by staying on topic, but the only way to truly "own" a thread is to start your own web site. If you come here, you are implicitly agreeing that ANY thread you start may be added onto by ANY person.
Second, if you have the greatest athletes in the world, and you take advice from a really cool guy who wears a shirt, why would you come on this forum. Is it to tell everyone about your theories of weight loss and metabolism? If so, then you surely expect some debate about your dubious points. Do you really expect that you can come on a forum like this, put out a so-called scientific theory, and then not have it challenged? If you do, then I would suggest the internet, or at least a public forum like this, is absolutely not the site for you.
May I suggest that instead you start a blog on Google, where you can simply delete the comments from those who disagree with you?
That's just fine that you don't want any help from anyone. Bravo. But the vast majority of us on this forum do. Some of that help comes in the form of emotional support from people who are struggling just like we are. A substantial piece of that help is in the form of knowledge -- what works, and what doesn't.
After all, there's a ton of crap knowledge out there -- stuff that's caused all of us to get derailed. Spot reducing. Fad diets. Secret foods. If I came on the forum and proposed my Miracle-Lose-10-Pounds-In-10-Days-By-Eating-Snickers Diet, do you suppose I would get challenged on it? I would hope so. You see, a lot of us, who are far weaker than you, just don't want to be sidetracked by these phone schemes any more.
You may think all your stuff about the "fat burning zone" is very scientific, but there's an ever increasing body of science that says the "fat burning zone" is just another one of those myths, to be put in the circular file along with "spot reducing." That's why there's so much interest in HIIT and intense interval training in cardio.
You don't want to read about that - fine. But if you come on this board and try to put forward your "fat burning zone" theory as science -- well, expect to be challenged. If you don't like that, you really might find a more receptive audience elsewhere.
First of all, there are no threads that are "owned" by any individual. This thread is no more "your" thread than it is mine. Sure, we all try to respect each other's threads by staying on topic, but the only way to truly "own" a thread is to start your own web site. If you come here, you are implicitly agreeing that ANY thread you start may be added onto by ANY person.
Second, if you have the greatest athletes in the world, and you take advice from a really cool guy who wears a shirt, why would you come on this forum. Is it to tell everyone about your theories of weight loss and metabolism? If so, then you surely expect some debate about your dubious points. Do you really expect that you can come on a forum like this, put out a so-called scientific theory, and then not have it challenged? If you do, then I would suggest the internet, or at least a public forum like this, is absolutely not the site for you.
May I suggest that instead you start a blog on Google, where you can simply delete the comments from those who disagree with you?
That's just fine that you don't want any help from anyone. Bravo. But the vast majority of us on this forum do. Some of that help comes in the form of emotional support from people who are struggling just like we are. A substantial piece of that help is in the form of knowledge -- what works, and what doesn't.
After all, there's a ton of crap knowledge out there -- stuff that's caused all of us to get derailed. Spot reducing. Fad diets. Secret foods. If I came on the forum and proposed my Miracle-Lose-10-Pounds-In-10-Days-By-Eating-Snickers Diet, do you suppose I would get challenged on it? I would hope so. You see, a lot of us, who are far weaker than you, just don't want to be sidetracked by these phone schemes any more.
You may think all your stuff about the "fat burning zone" is very scientific, but there's an ever increasing body of science that says the "fat burning zone" is just another one of those myths, to be put in the circular file along with "spot reducing." That's why there's so much interest in HIIT and intense interval training in cardio.
You don't want to read about that - fine. But if you come on this board and try to put forward your "fat burning zone" theory as science -- well, expect to be challenged. If you don't like that, you really might find a more receptive audience elsewhere.
Very nice post Tom.
I must say to heading2buffdom (i think that is his sn) the last thing I want to do is gang up on you.
Please know that is not my intention. I also am not saying you came on preaching anything. I am well aware of the fact that preaching was not your intention. You were simply answering my question. It just so happened that I did not agree with your answer though.
So what? I was not attacking you personally. I was directing my focus on the topic at hand. Not you as a person.
There was no reason to get defensive about it. We are all adults. Let's discuss the opposing sides of the story. That is all. Telling me, or anyone else for that matter, that you work with one of the greatest trainers in the world does absolutely nothing in terms of credibility for your side of the story.
I meet some of the best trainers in the world a few times a year, all working with top level athletes. Big whoop. That says nothing about the topic at hand or about me and my knowledge. I have seen some of the best say things that were wrong. I have seen some of the best rescind their original statements.
I understand my efforts to explain my actions to you are most likely futile, but that is fine.
In reality, I hope you stick around the forum, as long as you are willing and able to discuss without getting so emotional. I am always down for some good discussion and even some debate when it is dealing with fitness and/or nutrition. In all honesty, I think this forum needs some more of it.
Best to you.
I must say to heading2buffdom (i think that is his sn) the last thing I want to do is gang up on you.
Please know that is not my intention. I also am not saying you came on preaching anything. I am well aware of the fact that preaching was not your intention. You were simply answering my question. It just so happened that I did not agree with your answer though.
So what? I was not attacking you personally. I was directing my focus on the topic at hand. Not you as a person.
There was no reason to get defensive about it. We are all adults. Let's discuss the opposing sides of the story. That is all. Telling me, or anyone else for that matter, that you work with one of the greatest trainers in the world does absolutely nothing in terms of credibility for your side of the story.
I meet some of the best trainers in the world a few times a year, all working with top level athletes. Big whoop. That says nothing about the topic at hand or about me and my knowledge. I have seen some of the best say things that were wrong. I have seen some of the best rescind their original statements.
I understand my efforts to explain my actions to you are most likely futile, but that is fine.
In reality, I hope you stick around the forum, as long as you are willing and able to discuss without getting so emotional. I am always down for some good discussion and even some debate when it is dealing with fitness and/or nutrition. In all honesty, I think this forum needs some more of it.
Best to you.
Heading2Buffdom
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Steve
No problem. I am all for information and actually you are absolutely correct about your theory on energy balance and I really understand what you are saying. My whole idea was to answer that question and, therefore, was not thinking about anything than an abbrevated/quick answer. I will say that what you are saying is correct about the overall daily burn. Please take into consideration that the daily burn is exactly what I am after. Heavy, high intensity lifting has always been my ticket to buffdom. At this time, I am looking at taking off some weight early. I believe that this is my best approach to begin a journey toward health.
As for why I am here - I am here for support on my overeating. I have all of the resources at hand in theory, equipment etc. I am also athletic and still in pretty fair athletic condition. I am just a brutal, brutal overeater.
As for you, Tom - If my conversation with Steve reached "barb" status, that is basically between me and him. My reasons for being on a public forum is my reasons and I can assure you it was to simply come on and talk about my situation and get it out there. I did it in an honest, caring and open fashion. This brought about my dialogue with Steve. We have it sorted out. Barb status has been achieved between he and I...........I really don't understand why you would choose to get into it. But, if you wanna go a few rounds, so be it.
Can't you pick your own fights with a fresh opponent. I just went 15 rounds. Find a fresh sparring partner. It takes no skill to jump in the ring with someone who just went 15 rounds. It was actually kinda junior high school if you ask me.
PS - Steve - no hard feelings.
No problem. I am all for information and actually you are absolutely correct about your theory on energy balance and I really understand what you are saying. My whole idea was to answer that question and, therefore, was not thinking about anything than an abbrevated/quick answer. I will say that what you are saying is correct about the overall daily burn. Please take into consideration that the daily burn is exactly what I am after. Heavy, high intensity lifting has always been my ticket to buffdom. At this time, I am looking at taking off some weight early. I believe that this is my best approach to begin a journey toward health.
As for why I am here - I am here for support on my overeating. I have all of the resources at hand in theory, equipment etc. I am also athletic and still in pretty fair athletic condition. I am just a brutal, brutal overeater.
As for you, Tom - If my conversation with Steve reached "barb" status, that is basically between me and him. My reasons for being on a public forum is my reasons and I can assure you it was to simply come on and talk about my situation and get it out there. I did it in an honest, caring and open fashion. This brought about my dialogue with Steve. We have it sorted out. Barb status has been achieved between he and I...........I really don't understand why you would choose to get into it. But, if you wanna go a few rounds, so be it.
Can't you pick your own fights with a fresh opponent. I just went 15 rounds. Find a fresh sparring partner. It takes no skill to jump in the ring with someone who just went 15 rounds. It was actually kinda junior high school if you ask me.
PS - Steve - no hard feelings.