It Is My Contention: WARNING: This may get HOT!

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I contend that people remain fat not because they can't do the things required to lose weight but because they won't.

Being that most of us believe in free speech everyone is welcome to discuss this but it has been my experience that fat people lack self control yet they want to control others. If this topic is to hot for you to handle please avoid it. No body is forcing you to read or participate in it. In other words, show some restraint.

This is an important academic discussion that is long overdue. This year 400,000+ Americans will greedily eat themselves to death. I think it is important to boldy go where no one has before and have a frank discussion about obesity and gluttony.
 
Educator said:
but it has been my experience that fat people lack self control yet they want to control others.
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Fucking earth-shattering stuff. An internet first. It's gotta be. And here I am blessed to be in on the early scoop. When you accept your Nobel Literary Prize, I can smile knowing I was in on the first page.
 
"that people remain fat", what portion of the people eh? All of them, some of them? This IS a weight loss site, in which 99% of everyone on here is here to have support in losing weight, thus disproving that people remain fat.

Sure people can get fat [among other ways] from over eating, however, tons of people are wanting to change, are looking for support, are seeking out and taking the steps to lose the weight. And that is where I have my problem with you, you come off as though obese and over weight people do not want to lose weight or that we enjoy being fat. [and I said you seem to come off that way, so I don't have any proof besides my own opinion.]

Gluttony is a cause that can cause people to gain weight. So do medical problems, emotions, psychological issues. It's not just gluttony. Gluttony can be a reaction, a reaction to life, to emotional and physical abuse. There can also be straight up gluttony, but to ever say that every over weight person is a glutton would be a wrong statement because not everyone has set out to eat themselves to 200, 300, 400lbs.
 
ChefChiTown said:
I don't know what statistic is of people who are going to annoy the shit out of me this year, but I know that whatever the number may be, you just added one more to the total.
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WRONG!





In 2000, poor diet including obesity and physical inactivity caused 400,000 U.S. deaths -- more than 16 percent of all deaths and the No. 2 killer. That compares with 435,000 for tobacco, or 18 percent, as the top underlying killer.

According to the study the gap between the two is substantially narrower than in 1990, when poor diet and inactivity caused 300,000 deaths, 14 percent, compared with 400,000 for tobacco, or 19 percent, says a report from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
 
Educator said:
WRONG!





In 2000, poor diet including obesity and physical inactivity caused 400,000 U.S. deaths -- more than 16 percent of all deaths and the No. 2 killer. That compares with 435,000 for tobacco, or 18 percent, as the top underlying killer.

According to the study the gap between the two is substantially narrower than in 1990, when poor diet and inactivity caused 300,000 deaths, 14 percent, compared with 400,000 for tobacco, or 19 percent, says a report from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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You're using statistics from 2004 as your argument? What are you going to tell us next? That the Red Sox are going to win the World Series, breaking their curse?

Come on guy, not even the retarded bowler that challenged Barack Obama to a game is going to buy what you're saying.
 
PaperAirPlanes said:
"that people remain fat", what portion of the people eh? All of them, some of them? This IS a weight loss site, in which 99% of everyone on here is here to have support in losing weight, thus disproving that people remain fat.

Sure people can get fat [among other ways] from over eating, however, tons of people are wanting to change, are looking for support, are seeking out and taking the steps to lose the weight. And that is where I have my problem with you, you come off as though obese and over weight people do not want to lose weight or that we enjoy being fat. [and I said you seem to come off that way, so I don't have any proof besides my own opinion.]

Gluttony is a cause that can cause people to gain weight. So do medical problems, emotions, psychological issues. It's not just gluttony. Gluttony can be a reaction, a reaction to life, to emotional and physical abuse. There can also be straight up gluttony, but to ever say that every over weight person is a glutton would be a wrong statement because not everyone has set out to eat themselves to 200, 300, 400lbs.
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Gluttony can be a reaction, a reaction to life, to emotional and physical abuse???? Where did you come up with that BS Oprah or her flunky Dr Phil?

The fact is fat people have higher self esteem and suffer mental illness at the same rate as the general population.

There was plenty of physical and emotional abuse in the 70s but the obesity rate was 4%. Today is it 35%. people use emotional eating as an excuse and a ruse so that they can continue doing what they are doing. I am sayion that most fat people are gluttons.
 
ChefChiTown said:
You're using statistics from 2004 as your argument? What are you going to tell us next? That the Red Sox are going to win the World Series, breaking their curse?

Come on guy, not even the retarded bowler that challenged Barack Obama to a game is going to buy what you're saying.
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These are from 2000 and the rate was 400,000 deaths. Today because the CDC is politically correct they don't tell you that the death rate is even higher to day.

Personally I don't care if people like you eat themselves to death. That is your business. What bothers me is that it costs so much. Maybe more fat people should take up smoking too.
 
Educator said:
Gluttony can be a reaction, a reaction to life, to emotional and physical abuse???? Where did you come up with that BS Oprah or her flunky Dr Phil?

The fact is fat people have higher self esteem and suffer mental illness at the same rate as the general population.

There was plenty of physical and emotional abuse in the 70s but the obesity rate was 4%. Today is it 35%. people use emotional eating as an excuse and a ruse so that they can continue doing what they are doing. I am sayion that most fat people are gluttons.
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No, it's a fact. Take 100 people and do a study. I can almost promise you that at least 2 or 3 of them have suffered physical or emotional abuse and have turned to food somewhere down the line. It's the nature of the beast, to turn to comfort.

Times change. The world is not like it was the 70's. Nor the 90's, nor even early 2001. People are under stress, people are always on the go, these things mount up, life has gotten busier and more hetic. Back then, there might have been the same amount of stress but fast food and the such also wasn't as overrun as it is now.

SOME people use emotional issues as a reason for overeating, a lot of people go to counseling, a lot of people come to forums to talk it out and find their inner reasons as to why they feel the need to over eat.

You try to simplify things when the world around you isn't as simple as you think. Everything is inter connected and you can't dismiss things because YOU don't believe in them.

I don't need to provide proof nor am I going to because many people are aware of these issues, if you ever sat and talked to anyone besides those who think like you, and actually listened, then you'd understand too.
 
Educator said:
These are from 2000 and the rate was 400,000 deaths. Today because the CDC is politically correct they don't tell you that the death rate is even higher to day.
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Oh, well if they're from NINE years ago, they must be even better! The article itself is from 2004.

Educator said:
Personally I don't care if people like you eat themselves to death. That is your business.
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Wow, you certainly know how to make a man tingle inside. Here I was, feeling like shit tonight, but...SIGH, thank GOD for you Educator. Without you, I wouldn't feel so imporant and alive.

Pfft, you can't be serious. Let me guess where all of this stems from...

You walk into bar one night. You see a fat girl with a really cute face sitting at a table. You walk up to her and ask her if you can buy her a drink. She tells you to go fuck yourself and throws her beer at you. Insulted and feeling rejected, you vow to spend the rest of your life belittling overweight people at all cost. Sound about right? Yeeeeeah, I thought so.
 
PaperAirPlanes said:
No, it's a fact. Take 100 people and do a study. I can almost promise you that at least 2 or 3 of them have suffered physical or emotional abuse and have turned to food somewhere down the line. It's the nature of the beast, to turn to comfort.

Times change. The world is not like it was the 70's. Nor the 90's, nor even early 2001. People are under stress, people are always on the go, these things mount up, life has gotten busier and more hetic. Back then, there might have been the same amount of stress but fast food and the such also wasn't as overrun as it is now.

SOME people use emotional issues as a reason for overeating, a lot of people go to counseling, a lot of people come to forums to talk it out and find their inner reasons as to why they feel the need to over eat.

You try to simplify things when the world around you isn't as simple as you think. Everything is inter connected and you can't dismiss things because YOU don't believe in them.

I don't need to provide proof nor am I going to because many people are aware of these issues, if you ever sat and talked to anyone besides those who think like you, and actually listened, then you'd understand too.
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People had it really good during Clinton for 8 years and the first 4 years of Bush so the idea that things are tough and there is all this stress is bull. People have it too damn easy. lets say 3% of people have emotional abuse issues. Where is the proof and data that shows it makes them fat? Add to that the fact that 3% of American are not fat. It is 70%. Are you suggesting that 70% of Americans have been abused. I know that women like to use that excuse but there are more fat men than there are fat women so that shoot that pathetic excuse down.

Counseling? Forums? Jenny Craig? Atkins? Medifast? Diet pills? Dr Phil? None of it is working. The diet failure rate is 98%. Are diets flawed? I think not. Atkins is horrible but you will lose weight on it if you do it and don't mind being sick.

Diets fail for one reason. Dieters won't stay on them. Why do you suppose that is?

The world has not changed all that much. The notion that stress turns people into gluttons is absurd. How is it that a person can have a 30" waist in high school and in 10 years add 10 inches to it and do nothing but buy larger pants? Then they get the talk from the doctor and they still do nothing. Why is that if it is not plain old simple gluttony?
 
Educator said:
People had it really good during Clinton for 8 years and the first 4 years of Bush so the idea that things are tough and there is all this stress is bull. People have it too damn easy. lets say 3% of people have emotional abuse issues. Where is the proof and data that shows it makes them fat? Add to that the fact that 3% of American are not fat. It is 70%. Are you suggesting that 70% of Americans have been abused. I know that women like to use that excuse but there are more fat men than there are fat women so that shoot that pathetic excuse down.

Counseling? Forums? Jenny Craig? Atkins? Medifast? Diet pills? Dr Phil? None of it is working. The diet failure rate is 98%. Are diets flawed? I think not. Atkins is horrible but you will lose weight on it if you do it and don't mind being sick.

Diets fail for one reason. Dieters won't stay on them. Why do you suppose that is?

The world has not changed all that much. The notion that stress turns people into gluttons is absurd. How is it that a person can have a 30" waist in high school and in 10 years add 10 inches to it and do nothing but buy larger pants? Then they get the talk from the doctor and they still do nothing. Why is that if it is not plain old simple gluttony?
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Yanno, not everyone is abused. I said that SOME people are and SOME turn to eating because of their own psychological issues.

You're also an extremely arragont person, you refuse, down right REFUSE to believe that there are other links to weight gain besides eating. Yes, eating makes people fat. But WHY are people overeating? Has it ever once occured to you that society, own personal issues, medical issues, they all play a part. Unless someone conciously sits down and says "I'm going to work on getting fat today", most people who eat to obesity are people who either A) think it wont hurt them B) don't care C) don't realize just how much they are gaining or D) think they'll lose it no problem.

Diets fail because people set unrealistic standards. Changing your entire lifestyle isn't a diet, it's changing your life to better yourself. There are MANY people who lose the weight, change their lives, and never gain it back. Yet you want to fault them too.

You want to fault everyone. You fail to realize that people, many people, are on a life long hunt to lose weight. It's MUCH easier to gain it, then it is to lose it. YOU want to rag on the obese while failing to awknowledge that many are trying to do something about it.

Counseling DOES help people.
Forums CAN help people.
Jenny Craig is a failure.
Atkins is a failure.

People learn by trial and error.
Talking out your issues can help.
Paying money to someone who claims they can help you is a crock of shit.

But YOU wanna group everyone into one lump.

Open your eyes and get it through your head that not everyone is the same.
Not every fat person is fat for one specific reason.
I'm NOT saying that people are blaiming other issues on their weight,
EATING DOES CAUSE WEIGHT GAIN.
My point is,
Many people eat because of other issues

SOMETHING makes people eat,
SOMETHING makes people turn to food,
Sure some people are addicted to food,
but at the same time, not everyone is, and therefore, there has to be a reason they overeat, beyond the convience of high fat foods.

I'm done with you until you learn another perspective.
 
"Jesus H. Christ! You're not a writer. You're a killer! "


So your 'contention' is nothing more than old stats with a flair of Sgt. Hartman bravado lobbed in for sincerity purposes.

I'll keep refreshing your dynamic prose with the hopes you link us up with 'fast food availability rates since 1970'. Please tell me you're going to connect the dots for us helpless souls.

Please, Gunny, contend (Google) away.
 
ChefChiTown said:
Oh, well if they're from NINE years ago, they must be even better! The article itself is from 2004.



Wow, you certainly know how to make a man tingle inside. Here I was, feeling like shit tonight, but...SIGH, thank GOD for you Educator. Without you, I wouldn't feel so imporant and alive.

Pfft, you can't be serious. Let me guess where all of this stems from...

You walk into bar one night. You see a fat girl with a really cute face sitting at a table. You walk up to her and ask her if you can buy her a drink. She tells you to go fuck yourself and throws her beer at you. Insulted and feeling rejected, you vow to spend the rest of your life belittling overweight people at all cost. Sound about right? Yeeeeeah, I thought so.
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Hey I'm glad I could help. Normally fat people have very high self esteem. It seems the constant rewards of num nums they give themselves really make them feel worthy and entitled. Maybe you should eat more num nums.

Fat girl with a cute face? That is impossible. Here are some examples;
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Fat girls do not usally have cute faces There are 3 examples.

If a fat girl threw a drink at me it would be Bailey's Irish Creme but I doubt they would waste it.
 
Educator said:
Hey I'm glad I could help. Normally fat people have very high self esteem. It seems the constant rewards of num nums they give themselves really make them feel worthy and entitled. Maybe you should eat more num nums.

Fat girl with a cute face? That is impossible. Here are some examples;








Fat girls do not usally have cute faces There are 3 examples.

If a fat girl threw a drink at me it would be Bailey's Irish Creme but I doubt they would waste it.
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THREE whole examples? It must be true, what you say!

You're a moron.





Does your mom know that you're using her computer this late at night?
 
PaperAirPlanes said:
Yanno, not everyone is abused. I said that SOME people are and SOME turn to eating because of their own psychological issues. Point one

You're also an extremely arragont person, you refuse, down right REFUSE to believe that there are other links to weight gain besides eating. Yes, eating makes people fat. But WHY are people overeating? Has it ever once occured to you that society, own personal issues, medical issues, they all play a part. Unless someone conciously sits down and says "I'm going to work on getting fat today", most people who eat to obesity are people who either A) think it wont hurt them B) don't care C) don't realize just how much they are gaining or D) think they'll lose it no problem. Point two

Diets fail because people set unrealistic standards. Changing your entire lifestyle isn't a diet, it's changing your life to better yourself. There are MANY people who lose the weight, change their lives, and never gain it back. Yet you want to fault them too. Point three

You want to fault everyone. You fail to realize that people, many people, are on a life long hunt to lose weight. It's MUCH easier to gain it, then it is to lose it. YOU want to rag on the obese while failing to awknowledge that many are trying to do something about it. Point four

Counseling DOES help people. Prove it
Forums CAN help people. Prove it
Jenny Craig is a failure.
Atkins is a failure.

People learn by trial and error. They don't appear to be learning do they?
Talking out your issues can help.
Paying money to someone who claims they can help you is a crock of shit.

But YOU wanna group everyone into one lump. Not everyone just most.

Open your eyes and get it through your head that not everyone is the same.
Not every fat person is fat for one specific reason.
I'm NOT saying that people are blaiming other issues on their weight,
EATING DOES CAUSE WEIGHT GAIN.
My point is,
Many people eat because of other issues

SOMETHING makes people eat,
SOMETHING makes people turn to food,
Sure some people are addicted to food,
but at the same time, not everyone is, and therefore, there has to be a reason they overeat, beyond the convience of high fat foods.

I'm done with you until you learn another perspective.
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How many is some? Point one.

I considered and even bought into the idea that external things were turning people into greedy gluttons but I found no proof to substantiate those self serving theories. If you have some proof that external forces are making it so people are on a perpetual pig out please show them yo us so that we can stop their effect. Point two

98% of people do not lose weight and keep it off. They do not change their destructive and gluttonous lifestyle. Point three

You are done with me because I don't and I won't believe in your fairy tales. Every time a person buys bad food and eats it they are making a choice. Fat people/gluttons consistently make bad choices. They know they shouldn't but they anyway with no regard to the consequences to themselves and others. They CAN behave in a responsible manner. They choose to behave in an irresponsible manner. It seems that their lust for num nums trumps social and personal responsibility every time. You know that is the case.
 
Educator said:
How many is some? Point one.

I considered and even bought into the idea that external things were turning people into greedy gluttons but I found no proof to substantiate those self serving theories. If you have some proof that external forces are making it so people are on a perpetual pig out please show them yo us so that we can stop their effect. Point two

98% of people do not lose weight and keep it off. They do not change their destructive and gluttonous lifestyle. Point three

You are done with me because I don't and I won't believe in your fairy tales. Every time a person buys bad food and eats it they are making a choice. Fat people/gluttons consistently make bad choices. They know they shouldn't but they anyway with no regard to the consequences to themselves and others. They CAN behave in a responsible manner. They choose to behave in an irresponsible manner. It seems that their lust for num nums trumps social and personal responsibility every time. You know that is the case.
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When arguing a point,
please use grown up words that don't contain the phrase "num nums"
 
ChefChiTown said:
THREE whole examples? It must be true, what you say!

You're a moron.





Does your mom know that you're using her computer this late at night?
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Chef, are you gay? I heard that gay guys can get wood for fat women.

Fat women and fat men develop ugly faces.









Let's take a look at John Goodman next.
 
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