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James2
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HAH it's just an internet handle. You could call me Ilicksheepsballs if that was my handle, and it wouldn't be offensive. My name is James. If a mod has priv to do so, you can change it up.
And since you were candid and answered a bullcrap question, I'll answer it as well. I have never personally taken steroids. I have been pressured and tempted to over the course of my life, and I have even gone so far as to buy them and put them in my nightstand, but I could just never get myself to do it. Their draw is crazy. Who wouldn't want "free" muscle? Look at the market for workout sup that are legal (most of which do dick).
In the end, I decided that I was already way too quick to flare up in anger without roid rage, and that if I added to a 60 inch chest that'd just be silly, and I'd have to buy all new suits.
oh yeah, and all the health problems too.
With all due respect to my friend Steve, but I sort of disagree. Not because I can backup this guy's science (and you see I'm not giving his name out because I'm not going to advertise his book unless I've really tested this out far longer), but how can you make light of the utter huge difference in my ability to control my hunger and cravings? Literally from one day to the next. I've been going months and months and months with the same cycle over and over and now I feel different, how is that explained if his reasoning is so way off. Also, he cites to other studies and sources for almost everything he says, so I was just curious in a more detailed way about why you feel he's so full of shit. Not trying to argue here, this is a genuine discussion to me.
Not much I can do.
I don't care all too much. People who know me, realize it's not me. At least I'd hope so. But if he's doing it on boards that I don't frequent often.... who knows.
Whatever.
the admin can change your name if you want it done... but I'm kinda partial to Pigs
Pearls Before Swine is my favorite comic and Pig is r eally cute
I understand you aren't arguing.
Are we talking about the book, Mastering Leptin?
I haven't looked at it in detail for a while and since I've looked at it, I've read about 50 things.... so it's tough to recall specifics. But I clearly remember the guy is a terrible 'researcher,' twisting things to meet his criteria. He uses 'deep' material to sway the lay reader into believing he knows that the F- he's talking about.
If you aren't talking about this author or this book, then don't listen to the above.
But the bottom line is, leptin, albeit an extremely important regulatory mechanism in the body... has turned into just like any other major discovery dealing with metabolism. You have moronic people jumping at and grabbing hold of very complex data and using it to fatten their wallets... without ever fully understanding the actual data.
Bottomline being; if you want to learn about leptin or other such complex minutia dealing with the human body, don't buy your book from Borders or the like.
To add to this bottom line, there are a bunch of authors, I refuse to call them 'researchers', who've jumped on the bandwagon of writing books dealing with leptin. All that I've seen deals with dealing with leptin resistance in overweight people.
Claudia, leptin affects people differently. A big person dealing with leptin resistance isn't having the same issues as a leaner person dealing with volatile leptin levels.
I feel like I've been reverting back to Lyle McDonald a million times in here today.... but when it comes to Leptin, he's the man. He was the guy that really brought it to the public's eye.
Straight from his mouth talking about these authors:
And this which is taking the words right out of my mouth:
And this:
Look, if it works for you Claudia.... don't let me sway your decisions. I'm no God, that's for damn sure. Just understand that the reasons why it's working may not be why the author says they work. I've seen some straight up retarded recommendations work for people....
1 meal per day
10 meals per day
low cal
high cal
low protein
high protein
low anything
high anything
magic
voodoo
I try not to think in black/white terms ever and I certainly realize that there are going to be times when things I have absolutely no faith in, will work for certain individuals. But I always know that they're working for reasons 99/100 times besides what the diet/guru promotes.
smooth talker - you're probably what -like 22 - getting an old lady all aflutter youare
Haha, no pig2big is fine... I just wanted to know. Thanks.
Very tempting.
I'm actually only one of two guys in my 'close' circle of friends who lift seriously that haven't touched them.
It's crazy how prevalent they are.
Most people don't even realize.
there's a book i almost picked up the other night -- steroid nation -that goes into it - and I probably will get it because the subject is really intriguing...
Sick right.
I met that guy at last years Arnold Classic..... he seems like such a snake.
Yeah, you can tell who's juicing and you know what's going on down there and IT AINT MUCH! Just like those muscles start getting huge but soft, same thing down there I'm thinking. Ewwwwwwwwwwww. Why would men mess with a mixture that includes female hormones (as I understand it from an explanation by a juicer from years ago so maybe I'm wrong). I just find it so yucky.
Steroid use does not automatically = big and soft, with little weewee.
You can use steroids and look freaking amazing, while minimizing a ton of the side effects. Problem is, most don't know enough about the chemistry to do this effectively. I know I don't. But I know people who do.
I might add, it's not just men either.
Or, you can use steroids to simply improve performance and not necessarioly make you huge. Think almost any top level athlete. Most of these performers use.... little does society know. But I think we'd be astonished if we tested 100% of professional and olympian athletes. Our society has created this paradox of expectation where we pretty much demand a certain degree of ability and perforamnce from these athletes.
And there's also the matter of those proselytizing about the evils of drugs not really understanding what they involve, either. For somebody that takes a strong interest in their performance or appearance, drugs are....heavenly, at times. But you can't expect most folks to understand that angle.
Who knows what the long term results will be in terms of health.... but you've got to think there are a ton equally worse or worser things people put into their bodies or do to themselves.
I'm not a user, as I said before, nor will I ever be. But I do understand how frustrating it is for an intelligent-juicer wrt the bad rap they get from the media and public.
My point is, there's a smart way to do them and there's a dumb way to do them. Most people ARE dumb, so they choose the dumb way, and this is what the media focuses on.
In reality, I equal it to smoking or drinking really. It's all stuff that isn't necessarily healthy.... but people do it for other reasons besides health. Can't say that I agree, but it's not my decision. People do unhealthy things all the time.
I'd rather have someone juicing than someone getting messed up on drugs and then getting behind the wheel and killing me or a friend/family member.
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I'll also add this, from a friend of mine who has used, and is smarter than I'll ever be. This was in response to someone saying in similar words, "It doesn't matter how bad or good steroids are, the fact of the matter is they're illegal, so if you choose to use them, you should be punished."
My friend's response:
The same guy also said, "Laws can be changed. Social norms and mores shift. That's why prohibition failed and was repealed. That's why cigarettes are legal and marijuana is not. Over time things become more and more acceptable and laws are changed. But until then... "
My friend's response:
The guy than says, "My personal belief is that there must be a line drawn somewhere on the continuum of drugs and their use. Drug use is not a black and white deal. It's not all or nothin- prohibition or free-for-all. Cigarettes? Alcohol? Okay. Steroids? Probably okay. Weed? Not so okay. Anything more? No way. I've personally witnessed too much bad shit in my time to be alright with the idea that if people were just educated on the effects of drugs that all would be good. People are stupid. People hooked on drugs? Even more stupid. The drug becomes A-number one in their life and nothing else matters unless it can get them their fix or more drugs. "
Friends final response on the subject:
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Seems like there are quite a few people interested in the subject and figured this was a pretty unique viewpoint since no one that I'm aware of on this forum juices and it's very easy to simply fall into line saying "steroids are the worst."
I'm certainly not promoting their use.... but I like to look at any subject fairly, keeping emotions out of it.
You can use steroids and look freaking amazing, while minimizing a ton of the side effects. Problem is, most don't know enough about the chemistry to do this effectively. I know I don't. But I know people who do.
I might add, it's not just men either.
Or, you can use steroids to simply improve performance and not necessarioly make you huge. Think almost any top level athlete. Most of these performers use.... little does society know. But I think we'd be astonished if we tested 100% of professional and olympian athletes. Our society has created this paradox of expectation where we pretty much demand a certain degree of ability and perforamnce from these athletes.
And there's also the matter of those proselytizing about the evils of drugs not really understanding what they involve, either. For somebody that takes a strong interest in their performance or appearance, drugs are....heavenly, at times. But you can't expect most folks to understand that angle.
Who knows what the long term results will be in terms of health.... but you've got to think there are a ton equally worse or worser things people put into their bodies or do to themselves.
I'm not a user, as I said before, nor will I ever be. But I do understand how frustrating it is for an intelligent-juicer wrt the bad rap they get from the media and public.
My point is, there's a smart way to do them and there's a dumb way to do them. Most people ARE dumb, so they choose the dumb way, and this is what the media focuses on.
In reality, I equal it to smoking or drinking really. It's all stuff that isn't necessarily healthy.... but people do it for other reasons besides health. Can't say that I agree, but it's not my decision. People do unhealthy things all the time.
I'd rather have someone juicing than someone getting messed up on drugs and then getting behind the wheel and killing me or a friend/family member.
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I'll also add this, from a friend of mine who has used, and is smarter than I'll ever be. This was in response to someone saying in similar words, "It doesn't matter how bad or good steroids are, the fact of the matter is they're illegal, so if you choose to use them, you should be punished."
My friend's response:
The same guy also said, "Laws can be changed. Social norms and mores shift. That's why prohibition failed and was repealed. That's why cigarettes are legal and marijuana is not. Over time things become more and more acceptable and laws are changed. But until then... "
My friend's response:
The guy than says, "My personal belief is that there must be a line drawn somewhere on the continuum of drugs and their use. Drug use is not a black and white deal. It's not all or nothin- prohibition or free-for-all. Cigarettes? Alcohol? Okay. Steroids? Probably okay. Weed? Not so okay. Anything more? No way. I've personally witnessed too much bad shit in my time to be alright with the idea that if people were just educated on the effects of drugs that all would be good. People are stupid. People hooked on drugs? Even more stupid. The drug becomes A-number one in their life and nothing else matters unless it can get them their fix or more drugs. "
Friends final response on the subject:
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Seems like there are quite a few people interested in the subject and figured this was a pretty unique viewpoint since no one that I'm aware of on this forum juices and it's very easy to simply fall into line saying "steroids are the worst."
I'm certainly not promoting their use.... but I like to look at any subject fairly, keeping emotions out of it.
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interesting perspective on it...
James2
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The bad thing is, with all of the designer steroids out there, the best lab available couldn't even test for half of the signatures. The world would go on unaware. The people with the money and contacts will never be able to be caught unless they are stupid.
It is the same idea as stuff like creatin. I always love seeing people chug their creatin mixes as they are walking out of the gym (this was more prevalent during the big creatin boom in the mid to late 90's with McGuire hitting dingers and claiming it was from creatin). For every one person that has at least a small glimpse of how things work, there are 99 that have no idea, and just abuse it.
This is true. You'd never catch everyone.... I'm saying though that the public would be astonished is we tested every elite athlete. Even with the undetectable designer stuff, you'd still be left with an enormous population of guilty parties.
That bolded part right there.... that's a great statement man. So, so true.
Creatine, I'm a fan of this stuff though.