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This should make you count your blessings that this place exists in the state it's currently in.

I was on another forum and asked a very simple question. Who here trains with weights? And of those who do, how do you? Of those who don't, why don't you.

There was a bunch of small talk and than this Midnight character came strolling in.... supposedly one of the respected members of this particular forum. I just had to share the ridiculousness of this place:
 
His original post was removed.... but you'll catch it as I quoted it throughout my response below:

Bravo. You just totally missed the point of this thread, haha.

Never would I, nor did I promote the sole use of weight training. Anywhere. Your presumptuous post does nothing for this thread OR for providing any solid advice. At all.

Weight training is but one facet of an effective approach to weight loss. I, as well as most professionals in the industry, believe it to be one of the primary tools. But of course it should be used in conjunction with the other tools (i.e., proper nutrition, fatigue management, cardiovascular exercise, flexibility exercise, etc, etc).

Even if the point of this thread was to prove why resistance training alone may not be a good idea.... you didn't do that.

And that's NOT what this thread is about.

OK i do not beleave we have met yet but its time that we did i guess,

If you're trying to prove your knowledge, I suggest you start by spelling words correctly and using proper punctuation.

A history about be would include specialised training by the united states military, navy and airforce, I have specialised in training people as S.A.P.P.E.R.S and no im not going to give a definition on this due to the nature of the thing. I have trained countless men and women do do things that most people could never do.

I'm not sure I understand your point here?

I mean it's cool and all that you've trained people in this fashion... but what does it have to do with this thread? I've trained countless athletes to be the best that they can be too. Their bodies do things that most cannot. And they've been rewarded because of it. But I'd never be fallacious with my past success with various clients in order to say, "Look at me, I'm awesome."

We prove our value in the moment by the words we speak here. Not by slinging past experience which may or may not be true.

If that's your intent cool. But please don't direct it at me.

I will say this about free weights, If thay are not used in proper conjunction with Cardio and Machines your training will be uneven and spotty

Really. You don't say!? Welcome to Basic Programming 101 ladies and gentlemen. I think I was taught this in gym class in 3rd grade.

Nobody is promoting the sole use of free weights. So I'm not sure what your intent is. I think you've grossly misunderstood my intent AND more importantly, my background.

or please pardone me for using this example but a musle bound person in wich has no real usefullness in this sociaty today you need to balance them in order to be in peak physical condition

Hard to make out what you're trying to say with the lack of punctuation and horrible spelling.

However, I think you are trying to say building strength and muscle has no functional value that translates to the real world. Is that what you mean? If so, you may want to think about that comment one more time. If you still stand by it, I'll gladly reply with my response.

And before you answer, again, realize nobody was trying to transform anyone into Arnold around here.

Besides, a vast majority of the individuals on this forum are on diets. Hence, they are short on calories (energy). Hence, there would be no appreciable muscle gain during a diet anyhow, so your muscle bound example really has no value to the population reading this.

just lifting free weights is not going to give you a totaly healthy bodey yes

Again, I'm not sure why you keep spewing this. I've trained hundreds of people in my time, literally. Not once have I only used weight training in their programming. Doing so would be wrong, I concur.

However, it really seems you are assuming a lot about my philosophies and I'd have to question your intent of your presumptuous thought process?

it may tone up and look good but the fact is that your limiting yourself and

It is very funny how many times you assumed this in one single post.

also placing yourself at immenent risk if you ever become ill for some reason you are using more outer mustle and things building that up than building up your heart streanght your lung capacity even bone density

OK.

This was EXTREMELY hard to comprehend.

Since nobody was recommending the sole use of strength training, why don't you answer these questions.

1. Why would you exclude free weight training from a balanced lifestyle approach to total health and functionality, since you seem so against it?

By balanced, I mean proper nutrition, active lifestyles, cardiovascular exercise, AND resistance training.

2. How does resistance training ADD "immenent risk" while following this balanced approach to health and fitness?

i have known quite a few people who became so musle bound that actual thay started breaking bones and things due to it.

Not without anabolics my friend. And even then, I highly doubt it. Our bones strengthen along with every other fascia of the body during a properly structured resistance training routine. But this is a moot point, besides the fact that you're showing your gross misunderstanding of basic phyisology and anatomy, as well as biomechanics.

Again, what are your intentions? We are talking about adding resistance training to a weight loss strategy. The human body does NOT allow for mass amounts of hypertrophy while in an energy deficient state. And an energy deficient state is required for dieting. So I'm not sure what your line of reasoning is here.

so this is why i do not beleave that lifting free weights is always for every one.

Let me get this straight.

You used this fallacious reasoning where you assumed that I intended everyone to ONLY lift weights as your argument against the utilization of free weights?

Wow.

Ok.
 
HAHAAAAA!!! That whole post just had me dying... (again tonight). Ummm.... and this is at another forum, yes? I think the President of "The Union" is after you, Steve. LMAO!!!!!! and yes... I do beleave this. HA!!!

-Sheryl
 
Believe it or not, it actually got worse before I got better. Almost the entire forum turned against me saying I'm out to get people. Behind the scenes there were a lot of people thanking me... but in public I was being bashed!!! I actually thought about leaving the forum at one point. Mind you, at the end of all this, everone involved BUT me was banned from the forum..... LOL.

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Originally Posted by midnight
As you can see Sir you are realy messing with fire and here i am a verry liked person by manny and an attack on me is like a decloration of war to manny here,

That might actually be one of the funniest things I've ever read on a forum. Do you mind if I share it on the other forums I chat on?

I also must mention that you have rubbed people the wrong way here and i must admit if you would have come off a little nicer to every one you and i may have been good friends and allot of people here would stick up for you but instead your are comming off as a pompis jerk that knows it all

Right.

And if I were here for a popularity contest... all this banter might actually matter to me.

But I'm not.

I'm here to discuss fitness and health. That's all. If you don't like me, I don't care one bit. And if I bother you, or ANYONE for that much.... simply put me on your ignore list.

im sorry but i have been the warior here fighting for these people tooth and nail at every turn and those who attempt to come in and say thay know every thing well i have to say that just is not right we all have things to learn and we all have things to teach here we are all both the student and the teacher here learning and growing together as one

Dude, you are insane. Honestly.

I never claimed to know everything. What on earth are you talking about?

And since when are we at war? The craziness is VERY strong in this post. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

Keep on fighting man! You're doing great.

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ou are disrupting us by taking such an attitude as a "know it all"

Ignore list!!!!!! Use it.

Honestly, if you have that much of a problem with me, simply put me on ignore.

Then again though, I've yet to personally attack anyone here. I may have questioned some information, but that has nothing to do with anyone in particular. Information is one thing. Personal attacks are another.

I've been personally attacked.... but that's fine.

I love all these people here thay are my family and my family is my life any one who comes under fire here is like fireing at me and i dont take kindly to it.

Wow.

I really want to be under your umbrella of safety too. Please, oh mighty protector, please tell me how I can be under your safety net.

The web is such a harsh place.

you may not have insulted any one directly but the inferences that you have made have realy made me angry and i have held my toung long enuph here because of respect that i have for every one and because of the golden rule,

Please, I honestly beg of you....

Show me, besides any posts of mine that have been directed toward you.... show me where I "bashed" anyone. Please!

but i would want some one to do this same thing to me if i did what your doing here sorry to burst your bubble but i will defend my family here at what ever cost to myself there is,

I'm in total awe right now, to be truthful.

I didn't do anything wrong here. Certainly to the degree that you are making this out to be. You keep bringing up all these actions I've done to hurt people here on this forum.

By all means, I'd love for you to present them here. Simply quote them and we can discuss them one by one. Maybe get to the bottom of this. I'd like this actually b/c never has my intent been to hurt any member here. It's not my style at all and I really resent the picture you're painting of me.

Your words are almost scary.

These are my reasons for saying what i have said here, and may i say that you can catch more flys with honey than with vinager so if you want people to respect you and to look to you for advice i would advise you to change your tune,

Thanks for the advice.

Given the content of your posts I've seen thus far around here, I think you'll actually be the very last person I take advice from. Thanks for the offer though.

you have to earn trust and you have to earn respect you have neither with me.

Really? I thought we were really hitting it off.

Darn!

Good luck on the forums and remember these people are family and what happens to those who mess with my family is not fun.

Is this a threat? Are you kidding me.

sorry again if this is inpoper way of going about this but i dont pull punches when it comes to things like this.

Things like what? I'm so lost right now.... but hey. To each his own. It's amazing how much drama and emotion you put into this message. I can't imagine if I really came in here and insulted someone.

You might want to sit down and catch your breath. You seem VERY upset. Wouldn't want you doing anything crazy now.

See ya around the forum. I'll try and stay out of your "family's" way.
 
Originally Posted by help6363
Hello stroutman81

I would appericate it if you do not put any put down comments on Featherish (such as check your spelling, bringing up personal messages sent to you and so forth). Also, Please NO NAME CALLING!!!! We are adults....... let's behave in that manner, please.

I understand that you know a lot about this topic and you are a great resource. However, it's the way it is put across..... get what I am saying? I often do the same thing too. Your advice is good but if you do it in a less aggressive manner, you a more likely to get your massage across. I understand that being agressive probably makes you a great trainer!

stroutman81: I just felt bullied! Angel and I dislike free weights. It's NOT a sin. We still use machines and lift heavy weights. By doing something we enjoy we are more likely to stick to it. I loved the machines. I really dislike free weights...... they annoy me and I did hire a personal trainer to show me how to use them but I really need something that I can grow to enjoy doing otherwise I will quit. I love RPM class and weights using machines. I am glad you like free weights...... well done! Can't you just be happy I am doing weight training and cardio? If not, why not?

stroutman81: I know you have the best intentions, I really do! I just think it's the way you put the message across. I know my personal trainer has the same attitude when he trains me and he gets results! Hence, I have NO doubt in my mind that you would train someone well. Please just THINK about it...... we can catch more flies with honey!

I'm assuming you are a moderator here on the forum, based on the way you're speaking to me?

Honestly, my intent was never to bully anyone and I apologize to anyone who may have felt bullied. Except for midnight.... he was just totally out of line.

That said, I won't change my ways. I didn't force any information on anyone. There is an ignore feather that ANYONE can use. I'm amazed of the fragility of this forum. Someone comes in speaking about scientifically backed information and it's like I was disrespecting everyone's mothers.

On top of this... I wasn't putting my info out there saying, "This is how you need to train or you are doing it wrong."

Never did I put it out there like that.

I think I'm going to post this link over on my home turf forum. There are 20,000 plus members and let them come and help me out here. I feel very out numbered around here and the ganging up is getting very old. Especially when I've done nothing wrong.

Thanks for the heads up.

Oh yea, and last time I checked, we aren't a communist nation. There really is no need to tell people how they should act. I've been fine my entire life. More than fine actually. I certainly don't need you or anyone here telling me how I should or shouldn't handle myself.
 
Originally Posted by help6363
stroutman81: I just felt bullied!


My gosh there's a lot of accusations being tossed around here.

Please stop saying things and show me where I bullied anyone.


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Angel and I dislike free weights. It's NOT a sin.


It's like this place just makes up things.

I never said it was a sin to not use free weights.


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We still use machines and lift heavy weights. By doing something we enjoy we are more likely to stick to it. I loved the machines. I really dislike free weights...... they annoy me and I did hire a personal trainer to show me how to use them but I really need something that I can grow to enjoy doing otherwise I will quit. I love RPM class and weights using machines. I am glad you like free weights...... well done! Can't you just be happy I am doing weight training and cardio? If not, why not?


And where was all of this from?


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stroutman81: I know you have the best intentions, I really do! I just think it's the way you put the message across. I know my personal trainer has the same attitude when he trains me and he gets results! Hence, I have NO doubt in my mind that you would train someone well. Please just THINK about it...... we can catch more flies with honey!


Since I've been here, I've been nothing but ridiculed, harassed, and more importantly completely and personally disrespected.

It's amazing that I'm the one being reprimanded here.

It's ok to call people names and personally insult them around here. It's not ok simply discuss information.

Cool.
 
You know, after reading this thread and reading the interaction in the message box, I have to say that you guys are being harsh on Stroutman81. He asked a question, you girls responded, he then wanted to delve into your answers for further discussion. When I first read his part on just focussing on cardio, I did think he was putting down just focusing on cardio, but he then said something about understanding why some one would choose to focus on this. I don't get this whole he has an "agenda of bullying people to do free weights" response from reading his posts, maybe all the regulars get this from people who post here and just put everyone who is new and seems to be informed in that box from the get-go, I don't know, I haven't been on this forum long enough to know.

Anyways, I just had to say something because I've spend 30-40 minutes of my Saturday night reading this, when I should of had gone to bed, but wanted to check this site before that.

Some other dude who finally stood up for me. I kid you not, I felt like I walked into the loony bin.
 
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Hello, Steve! I see that you've risen from the dead and have stirred up a hornets nest again.

I don't know what all has taken place since my computer has been down so I'm not going to get in the middle of all this chaos. I still don't have my computer up and running and until I do I won't have my messages about what's going on here.

All I know is that stroutman81 knows quite a bit about strength training.....and about rubbing members the wrong way.

Haha, some chick I got in a fight with when I joined the forum in 2005. I joined, got in a fight with her and left within a week. Then I came across it again a few weeks back.
 
Stroutman....thanks for the apology.

I also extend mine if you think I bullied you!

I do believe that you have an enormous amount of knowledge, so I will read your posts.

Additionally, I am not a moderator but I just wanted to tell you about the communication thing for a different perspective (a bit like how you wanted to tell me about free weights vs machine weights). The only reason I wanted to tell you was that you do have the knowledge but the way it is conveyed isn't very good. This is NOT an insult, it's constructive criticism..... I care enough to tell you. You do make the CHOICE to act how you want to act at the end of the day. Just like I have the choice to use free weights or machines. You NEVER said I had to do them but when I said I did like them and perferred to use machines ....you stated in IMO everyone should use free weights. I guess I got angry because I am so tired of all this....... losing weight is so hard and takes so much effort. Thanks for informing me about free weights, that's great to know...... however I HATE them and machines, I really do like.

I cannot be bothered arguing....... I just did not like the comments made to people here. In particular Lakelday and Midnight. Maybe we see it differently.......

This chick got banned for life after a while. Completey insane. You should have seen her PMs she sent me.
 
The above was your response for someone saying they should only like training with free weights. THE PROBLEM AS I SEE it is that you are saying free weights are the only way to train. If we don't like free weights, then why not use machines? We will stick to it longer!

Well that's why I felt bullied because I am trying and I have lost 40 kilos to date ....... now you are saying, "pretty much anyone can, and IMO, should train with free weights". I know you know your stuff, I am NOT doubting that ..... have I understood what your message properly? If NOT..... I am sorry! Communication problem on my behalf!

If I have understood it....... isn't it best to use machines rather than free weights if a person HATES free weights? Won't the person stick to the program longer?

I know you are NOT saying forget cardio.
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Originally Posted by help6363
The above was your response for someone saying they should only like training with free weights. THE PROBLEM AS I SEE it is that you are saying free weights are the only way to train. If we don't like free weights, then why not use machines? We will stick to it longer!


Don't put words in my mouth.

I am stating it's the most optimal way to resistance train. Certainly not the only way. And I've already said why.

That's great that you all "stick together." I'm just not sure what you're sticking together against, lol.

I never attacked anyone. I CERTAINLY never did anything that warranted all this nonsense.


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Well that's why I felt bullied because I am trying and I have lost 40 kilos to date .......


Bullied. What in God's name are you talking about?

Is this forum really as such that disagreeing with information equals bullying and direct attacks on people?

Please tell me that isn't true. If it is, this is going to be a long road of verbal battles like this. At least for all of you, b/c I'm not changing. Why should I? I've worked with many people, I've gone through the education and I've learned how to apply it to get the best results. Why shouldn't I speak up? Because it may be different from what you're currently doing? That's about as shallow a perspective as I can think of.


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now you are saying, "pretty much anyone can, and IMO, should train with free weights". I know you know your stuff, I am NOT doubting that ..... have I understood what your message properly? If NOT..... I am sorry! Communication problem on my behalf!


I still stand by that comment. *Almost* anyone can and should train with free weights.

Put it this way. Resistance training should be a part of everyone's lifestyle. Just as there are numerous benefits to cardio, there are numerous benefits to weight training. Give up one for the other and you'll be missing out on a lot in terms of total health. It's that simple. They each bring unique benefits to the body and should be used in combination with a proper diet.

When it comes to deciding how you are going to *supply* this resistance to use relative to weight training.... there are quite a few options. Your own body weight. Machines. Free weights. Whatever really.

All I've been saying is free weights are the most optimal out of the bunch and anyone that can, should use them if they are looking for the most optimal approach.

That's all.

If you take that as an insult... I'd really worry about the state of your mental health. This is not directed to you, but anyone really, who thinks I've insulted them.


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If I have understood it....... isn't it best to use machines rather than free weights if a person HATES free weights? Won't the person stick to the program longer?


Some form of lifting is better than no lifting at all, certainly. However, if a client came to me with that in mind (that they hate free weights), I'd certainly try and figure out *why* they hate free weights. It wouldn't be the first time I've heard that statement or some permutation of the like. And the vast majority of the time, that hatred is derived from misunderstandings or lack of knowledge.

Once they understand the whys, it's a different story. If they still don't buy into it, I'd certainly start them out with some calisthenics and machine use WITH the idea of progressing them toward free weight use eventually.

It's certainly not an all or none proposition.

For some, it's something to strive towards.


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I know you are NOT saying forget cardio.


At least you aren't putting those words in my mouth like others have.
 
Originally Posted by help6363
Above are some examples where you started being rude.

HARSH? Why is he talking to someone like this????


I'd like to see how you guys (being such a level headed group as has already been proven, lol) would handle getting ganged up on by an entire forum. Being called names. Being taken comletely out of context. Being told you are saying things when it's VERY clear the words never came out of my mouth. Having loads of people negative rep you just to prove a point, and even being told you "suck d!ck."

Yea, I'd bet you'd handle it a lot better than me.



EDIT: I'd also add this. If I were rude to anyone, it was Midnight. I've already stated that. Yet, you pulled my reply to him as your source of "rudeness."

I wouldn't do it any differently if I had the chance. He jumped down my throat for no reason at all from the get go and assumed so many things about me.

Sorry, I believe any rational being would respond defensively.

Not that any of this will sink in. It's like the blind leading the blind.

Oh yea, and can I please have more negative rep from everyone. It's so cute how you all stick together like it's destroying my life having a red bar rather than a green. I'll say this much. If having a green bar means being illogical and full of hate, as seems to be the case, I'm very glad not to be in that "group."
 
Originally Posted by help6363
Additionally, I am not a moderator but I just wanted to tell you about the communication thing for a different perspective


I think I'm going to start going around to all the threads and picking people apart. Instead of agreeing or disagreeing with INFORMATION, I'm going to tear apart the individual posters. Tell them what's wrong with them as a person. How they should behave. You know, the same stuff that's been happening to me here.

It seems to be par for course around here. Instead of discussing information.... we get all these emotions involved and critique, not information, but the people themselves.

I've tried the logical route. Maybe it's time to be illogical.

And it's not like you get reprimanded for doing this either. I can just come right out and privately message someone or rep them telling them they're an "enormous jerk" and/or that they "suck d!ck."

Right?

Maybe stooping is what it'll take. Maybe if I start personally attacking people I'll be in the cool crowd. I wouldn't be surprised if harassment and name calling received positive rep around here.



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(a bit like how you wanted to tell me about free weights vs machine weights).


Here lies the problem.

I was discussing the topic at hand.

NOT the individual. On the flip side, all of you have personally attacked me. If you had a problem with the information I provided, you should have stuck with the topic at hand. We could've had a nice, civil discussion and probably made this a productive thread.


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The only reason I wanted to tell you was that you do have the knowledge but the way it is conveyed isn't very good.

Please show me where I was out of line?

If you mean I disagreed with someone, god forbid. I'm pretty sure that's a normal course in adult conversation.

Last time I checked, disagreeing with respect was how the truth is uncovered. If everyone agreed with everyone, what kind of world would this be?

So please, show me where I stopped out of line. And please don't use Midnight as your example as that was long after the fact and I've already discussed that.


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This is NOT an insult, it's constructive criticism..... I care enough to tell you.


I can tell that your intent is good. And I respect where it's coming from.

However, it's not cool.

I can be however I want to be. This is me. And b/c I'm new.... I've been jumped by a gang of irrational thinkers. I could see if I came in here slinging names and directly and verbally attacking the members. Than you could say these things.

But b/c I state the facts in a manner that doesn't match well WITH YOUR IDEA of what's right...... that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to insult me as an individual. I've yet to do that to anyone here.

As I said before, I'm not here for a popularity contest.

And I've had a lot of success in my career doing what I do. I'll be damned if I'm going to let anyone here on this forum tell me how I need to be if I'm going to get my point across. Trust me. My points been stressed and accepted more than it hasn't.

When it comes to the audience here, whatever. If you don't like what I have to say, PUT ME ON YOUR IGNORE LIST. It's such a simple task, yet people continue to cry, lie, and moan about me. Just adding to the irrationality that is flooding this forum as of late.


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You do make the CHOICE to act how you want to act at the end of the day. Just like I have the choice to use free weights or machines.


I love how you intermingle the topic at hand with me, as a person.

How about this:

Free weights are optimal over machines. And you really suck at conveying your feelings. You are very irrational and know nothing about normal conversation.

Does that make sense? To intermingle how I feel about you with the topic at hand? Bringing in personal vendettas and emotions into a factual conversation does nothing but hurt one side of the party and discredit the other side.

Very lame if you ask me.


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You NEVER said I had to do them but when I said I did like them and perferred to use machines ....you stated in IMO everyone should use free weights.


Yea and? Haha.

And I said why.

The overuse of free weights can actually cause more harm than good.

I wasn't just stating that b/c I felt like it. I wasn't stating that b/c I like free weights more than machines personally.

I was stating that b/c it's the truth. Free weights are optimal over machines.

I certainly wasn't attacking you.


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I guess I got angry because I am so tired of all this....... losing weight is so hard and takes so much effort.


Yea, well I never said that so please, so kindly direct your anger elsewhere. It'd be appreciated.


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Thanks for informing me about free weights, that's great to know...... however I HATE them and machines, I really do like.


Whatever floats your boat, haha. I could careless at this point what you like or dislike.


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I cannot be bothered arguing....... I just did not like the comments made to people here. In particular Lakelday and Midnight. Maybe we see it differently.......


You do realize I was jumped on first, by Midnight. And Lakelday!!!! What did I do to her?? I really hope you aren't referring to my reponse to her after she told me "I suck d!ck"

Or is that how it works around here. As long as your "in the cool group" you can say whatever the F you want and if you're not in that group, we are going to gang up on you even if you didn't directly insult anyone.

Whatever.
 
Originally Posted by help6363
I gave you positive comments as well as constructive criticism.

I ASKED if I interrepted your statements correctly.....why get hot headed?

You wrote this, "That's great that you all "stick together." I'm just not sure what you're sticking together against, lol."

I DID NOT SAY WE ALL STICK TOGETHER! I said....if we do machines and NOT something we hate (like free weights) we are more likely to stick to it!!!!!


Look, I'm done discussing the details of what's happened so far.

The bottom line is this: It's very clear what happened if you read this entire thread.

I never attacked anyone. I simply stated some information. That information didn't sit well with certain people and instead of coming back to me with an opposing side to the conversation, I was verbally attacked.

Period.

And please understand.... I don't need your constructive criticism as to how I am as a person. I wouldn't dare have the audacity to do that to you.

If you want to constructively critique information I supply, by all means. I love healthy discussion and even debate. But keep personal emotions out of the equation.
 
LOL...who the hell is this 'Manny' person? :rotflmao:

Originally Posted by midnight
As you can see Sir you are realy messing with fire and here i am a verry liked person by manny and an attack on me is like a decloration of war to manny here,


Jeez, I hate stupid people.
 
Originally Posted by angel_rising
I have been trying to stay out of this but I find that I can not any longer. I do not think that anyone is disagreeing with the science behind your statements. What is really bugging us is how you keep pointing out how wrong we all are.


I never said anyone was wrong. Please, this is getting out of control. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I may have disagreed with people.... but that isn't the same as telling someone they are flat out wrong. Everone is allowed to have their own opinions ya know. And they're not always going to match your own.

Can someone please show me where I stepped out of line, in your opinions. What did I do that warranted Midnights irrational response.


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Even though you have not come out and called us idiots directly it is the way you have been wrighting your post that makes us feel that you are looking down on us.



I speak on multiple forums on the net. In totality, there are probably over 100k members in the various forums combined.

This is the only place I've ever been treated like this.

Most respect solid, sound information. And they understand that it's for their benefit. NOT TO MAKE THEM LOOK BAD. But come to think of it, those members think rationally too.

I think the majority of you would go to the doc, and if he told you have to change your eating habits and lose weight to ensure your health and longevity, you'd make fun of him and call him an idiot.

At least that's how you've presented yourself here.

Facts are facts. And we've spent very little time discussing the facts before I was jumped on. There was no need to personally attack me.


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You made it seem like you can not be wrong, ever.



Please. Instead of jumping on the bandwagon and painting a picture... show me where I did this.


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Science does not even agree on one right way to get healthy so when it seems that you are pertraying yourself as the one who has all the answers it gets many of us upset.

Again, show me.


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I don't think you relize that even though you may be correct people will not listen to you if you keep telling them flat out that they are wrong.


Show me.


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Midnight only stated his military backrground becuase you mentioned your background as personal trainer.


OMG!!!

More lies to paint the picture you want.

I said I was a trainer AFTER Midnight used his appeal to authority. Please stop lying. It's like anyone can say anything around here and it's automatically believed as truth.


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It feels like you wanted us to believe you without doing our own research just becuase you have all this "education"



Yea, well you do understand that what you feel is a derivative of your own internal workings.

I don't create how you feel.

And show me where I did this. Stop painting a picture and show.


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Like I said we are not arguing with your science we are upset with how you put it to us.


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I know that you are not here for a personality contest but you must understand that human nature is to respond to those who we feel are challeging us personally is to fight back.


This is the best one yet.

PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I CHALLENGED YOU PERSONALLY.


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Please try to understand, I would love to have you stay here becuase I do believe that your knowledge would be a great help to many, not me, but many. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. You would get better responses to you information if you remember that.


Thanks but no thanks.

You're assuming that I care who buys what I say or not. I don't care who does. Certainly I wouldn't have said this had the actions against me not been done.

I really do care about people in general and want them to succeed in their fitness/health pursuits. It's my true love in life and I'm certainly not new at it. I've had a lot of success. I bring this up only to make it very clear that you can stop giving me advice about how I SHOULD BEHAVE BASED ON YOUR VALUE SYSTEM.
 
Originally Posted by help6363
I cannot find the post where Lakelady said that! I doubt she would say such a thing!


OMG!!! I already explained this to you via PM.

She said it in her message to me in her negative rep. She certainly did. If she's such a great person, I'm sure she'll admit to it. She already did in this thread if you look back to my conversation with her.


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I asked you if I interrupted your response correctly......

Where did I attack you?


I didn't say you did.

I said I've been attacked.


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You are allowed to have a different opionion.


Yea, I know.

So is everyone else.

Within context. I don't think opinions should be stated if they are going to directly insult or hurt someone on a personal level.


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As for NOT taking my advice about communication skills, your choice! I do believe it's cool to give constructive criticism....it's what adults do! You don't have to agree. I am willing to take constructive criticism...... look at all the advice I got on dating!!! It was in the Water Cooler section.


Cool.


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I was NOT attacking you personally!!!!!! I was taking about your communication skills...... NOT YOU! It's only ONE aspect of you. It was NOT intended to hurt you.


Right. But where I come from, earth, you don't go around picking apart the personal flaws of people without a backlash.

And this is not my admittance to a personal communication flaw. There's been a lot of things taken out of context here and a lot of things said that are completely untrue that's painted a nasty picture of me. I don't care, whatever.

I'm just saying, read through the thread. I'm the last one that needs a critique on communication skills, LOL.


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I understand that you were NOT attacking me over free weights vs machines. That's why I asked if I interrepted it correctly! See I was trying to clear up any communication problems.


Cool.
 
Originally Posted by angel_rising
This whole thing is what I am talking about. From the very beggining before all this started you took apart everything we said and pushed your opions on how we could optamize our workouts by free weights. By qouting us and then saying something to the contrary you are challenging our opinions and our beliefs.


So a doctor is wrong to tell his patient when he/she is doing something wrong for their health?

AND PLEASE NOTE: I never said anyone was wrong. I said there are more optimal ways to go about doing things. I never force information onto anyone. By the looks of it, me opening my mouth = me forcing ideas down your throat. Please explain how that works.

You can state your opinions but I can't state mine?

My true joy in life has been spreading solid, founded information to those trying to make this journey to better health and body. If people reject it, I don't care. But I still like putting it out there for those who will/do value it.

And for those who reject it, I want to know why. Maybe they know something I don't and they can teach me something. Or maybe I know something they don't and I can teach them something.

There's no part of me that is about belittling anyone. It's completely against my style.

How you get the idea that I'm attacking you as a person I'll never understand. And I'm just about done with this thread.

I'm not pushing anything on anyone. I'm just stating my opinions from my vantage point. End of story.

This is how irrational you sound right now.

Wait. You like machines more than free weights. OMG, you are attacking my core values and beliefs as a person. How dare you. Let me get my gang to belittle you as a person b/c you don't agree with something I believe in.



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You may be right but that does not give you the right to disect what we say and try to prove us wrong.



I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong or make anyone look bad. This is about the facts. God forbid I speak about what I know to be true!

FYI, I'm not pulling info out of my ass here.

In my position, please, and this is very important..... show me how I should handle this situation:

YOU: Free weights are not for everyone

ME: Some people with pre-existing pathologies may not be able to use them, but IMO, b/c of the benefits associated with them, anyone who can, should use them.

YOU: You are attacking me and my beliefs.

Where is the rationality?

I know my stuff. But b/c what I know isn't in line with what you think, I should keep my mouth shut?

How does education work again?

I guess students should start revolting against their teachers b/c they are *forcing* information down their throats.


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You did this to the very first response to this thread which was mine, and by qouting me saying that I do not believe that free weights are for everyone, and then you saying that they practically are, feels like to me that you do not value my opion.


If I didn't value your opinion, I wouldn't have said anything at all. I would've ignored you.

However, I was trying to help you. I knew that I know something you don't.... so why not give you some advice.

IF, AFTER I GAVE YOU MY ADVICE AND YOU DIDN'T TAKE IT AND I JUMPED ON YOU FOR IT.... THEN BY ALL MEANS I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE WRONG.

BUT BY SAYING I SHOULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT I KNOW B/C IT DIFFERS FROM WHAT YOU ARE DOING, THIS PROVES IRRATIONALITY TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE.

AND BTW, IF YOU DIDN'T TAKE MY ADVICE, I NEVER WOULD HAVE JUMPED ON YOU OR ANYONE. I BELIEVE IN THE FREEDOM OF THOUGHT AND CHOICE. I ALSO BELIEVE IN THE TRUTH AND SOUND ADVICE.
 
Originally Posted by mahesh67
This thread is like a train wreck.

I feel like Stroutman remained professional and is talking about things he is backing up with evidence.

All he said was that weight training is good and midnight has very bad grammar and spelling! LOL both are very true!




Amen.

A rational being.

I love you. Haha.
 
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