i want bigger waist/core area

i want a bigger waist/core but im not sure whats best to do... now.. my abs r there but i aint to botherd about having abs but if i make my abs bigger will that make my waist area bigger? or do i just do side bends?.. see im bigger chest area and shoulders an then i have a small waist .. well i think its small.

any suggestions :)
 
Like any other muscle group, do a mass routine on those areas and they will grow. Shoot for 10-12 reps with the most weight weight you can do (failure around 12 is perfect.

Remember to target your lower back too. However, be very careful when starting out with heavy weights on your lower back.

External obliques are going to give you the biggest return on investment, so hit them (like you mentioned).

If you do tons of situps or bends, or anything, you will trim the area. Use heavy weights and think of it the same way you GROW other areas. 10 - 12 reps will ensure that you target slow and fast twitchers... This in turn will give you the biggest potential growth.

Of course, the easiest way would be to stop working out and sit in front of a TV all day with chips and salsa.

q-:

Good-luck,
Rip

i want a bigger waist/core but im not sure whats best to do... now.. my abs r there but i aint to botherd about having abs but if i make my abs bigger will that make my waist area bigger? or do i just do side bends?.. see im bigger chest area and shoulders an then i have a small waist .. well i think its small.

any suggestions :)
 
cheers m8 .. i went to the gym the other day (most time i workout at home) and they told me dont go to 12 reps when u want size they told me 8 reps.. i keep gettin confused, but ive always been doin 10-12 reps on everything i do!

so deadlifts,side bends and cruches to 12 reps and make sure im failure on last rep... 3x 12 rep.
 
If you do tons of situps or bends, or anything, you will trim the area.
Rip

This is simply not true, Rip. We should not unintentionally mislead, but give the plan truth. And, this is not true information. I have to do something real quick, and I will give the plain truth.
 
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I'm not sure what I did to get there (deadlifts?), but I'm thick waisted and sometimes wish I wasn't. I guess you always want what you don't have.

Even if I'm very lean I wear size 34-36 jeans (and clothing manufacturers are generous, 36 jeans really mean you have probably at least a 37 inch waist).......but strangely I practically bust out of XL t-shirts (46-48 inch chest) when my chest only measures between 45-46
 
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Sorry. I hate the word trim.

In my experience, doing 1,000 situps (been there done that) will not give you mass gains. If you want to add massive amounts of mass (strictly my opinion), then you need to go with ~10 reps with the most weight you can handle.

KTTW - 8 reps is good. However, when you do 6-8 reps that is more of a strength routine, because you are mostly hitting strength muscle fibers. Again... This is my opinion based on studying that I have done... If you want the maximum mass (IMHO) you want to hit the endurance muscle fibers as well. Doing 10-12 reps will stimulate and use both and therefore give you the greatest gain.

I suggest the following... Because everyone reacts differently to different routines (no matter what ANYONE tells you), try tracking progress on a daily basis doing each of the following:

1. Do 2 months of 1,000 reps for abs;
2. Do 2 months of 10-12 reps/heavy weight for abs;
3. Do 2 months of 6-8 reps/heavy weight for abs.

At the end of the 6 months, look back at your daily logs and weekly statistics and see which one worked best for you. I can tell you that FOR ME, #2 give me the biggest size gains in my abdomin.

*Note: This post is purely an opinion based on training and printed material*

-Rip

This is simply not true, Rip. We should not unintentionally mislead, but give the plan truth. And, this is not true information. I have to do something real quick, and I will give the plain truth.
 
If I unitentionally misled anyone, I did not intentionally do it. However, if I could "not unintentionally mislead" anyone, I guess it wouldn't be unintentional, now would it?

Please eschew obfuscation.

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We should not unintentionally mislead.
 
If I unitentionally misled anyone, I did not intentionally do it. However, if I could "not unintentionally mislead" anyone, I guess it wouldn't be unintentional, now would it?

Please eschew obfuscation.

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All Im saying is that you are misleading this person with the wrong information, and this isnt about you anyway, its about assisting this person with his question.

Even your subsequent posts to my own, are misleading this person. All I care about is whether the thread starter is getting good information, and frankly with all respect to you, this isnt it.

Suggesting 1,000 situps, is wrong (not to mention a complete waste of time), and suggesting all these ab excercises is flat wrong as well:The ab core, DOES NOT respond in the same type manner to heavy weight exercises as other parts of the body. To suggest these and not put DIET above these misleading comments on training the abs torso, is also wrong. I will post my own opinion based on what he is wanting as a goal, and you can be assured DIET is far more important than any ab routine----in existence.


If you, in fact have abs showing, Rip, I assure you, it wasnt the erronious ab routine you suggested to the thread starter. And, if your so proud, let see them.
 
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*takes a hit off the peace pipe and passes it*

BTW - I agree that 1,000 SITUPS wouldn't be a good idea. I used to do 1,000 crunches (~13 - 14 minutes non-stop). This worked wonders, but I hit a plateau pretty quickly. After I ran my marathon I stopped doing the endurance crunches and quickly made some nice ab advances.



All Im saying is that you are misleading this person with the wrong information, and this isnt about you anyway, its about assisting this person with his question.

Even your subsequent posts to my own, are misleading this person.

Suggesting 1,000 situps, is wrong (not to mention a complete waste of time), and suggesting all these ab excercises is flat wrong as well. I will post my own opinion based on what he is wanting as a goal, and you can be assured DIET is far more important than any ab routine----in existence.
 
I think the best course of action is NOT direct ab work, but a lot of heavy work for the spinal erectors and glutes: dealift, SLDL, RDL, good mornings, hyperextensions, ATG squats...

I always follow a heavy deadlifting or squating session with 2 sets of 12-25 reps of an ab exercise. That way the abs have already been pre-stressed with their primary functional action of trunk stabalization. I particularly like weighted hanging leg raises and weighted incline situps, because I can always use enough weight to bring about failure in whatever rep range I am targetting.
 
Chillen,

Here is an old pic... I am about 10 pounds lighter now (rock climbing forces me to lose weight), but my abs look the same.

I made these abs with a routine like this:

1. weighted leg raises (3 sets / 12 reps);
2. weighted crunches (3 sets / 12 reps);
3. side bridges (3 sets / 20 reps per side);
4. windshield wipers or weighted side crunches (3 sets / 12 reps);
5. vacuums (3 sets / 30-45 seconds each set).

I don't remember my diet, but it was halfway healthy with a McDonalds binge at least twice per week. I think I was taking in 3,600 calories per day and avoiding TRANS FATS.

I realize that my abs are not all that great, but they are just fine for me. I am a firm believer in a strong core. That is my preaching. I think that lower back and Transverse Abdominis is as important as abs (hence the core focus).

Sorry for getting off on the wrong foot... I took it a bit personal when said that I shouldn't be misinforming... I agree that misinformation can be damaging and dangerous. However, I also feel that it each of our responsibility to take each thing on here with a grain of salt and try it out for ourselves. That said, I feel (still do) that my response was on the money.

Let's just agree to disagree about this and you post your workout ideas... Then, KTTW (et al.) can decide using their own free will.

Peace bro,
Vaughn


If you, in fact have abs showing, Rip, I assure you, it wasnt the erronious ab routine you suggested to the thread starter. And, if your so proud, let see them.
 

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thanx for all this info guys.. real helpfull.

whats a ATG squat? is it where u go further down with you but nearly touchin the floor?
 
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The abs seem to grow more in strength and endurance, rather than size. Read on this, folks, google it. I am not "necessarily" saying they dont grow, What I am saying is to compare the "type" of ab growth to the other parts of the body is comparing apples to turnips--though they are the same (if one understands what I am getting at).

In order to answer this persons question, we have to ask more questions on what he wants.

The thread starter wants a bigger waist........I would like to ask why? What does your current ab core look like? What condition of development are your legs and upper body? Are you willing to change your diet to obtain your goal?
What exactly is your goal? Be more specific. Have you lifted weights before, if you have, how long?

At present its too general to give specific advice.

Your info was misleading Rip from what I mentioned before, and for this:

What if this guy was eating like a bird? Boy those 1,000 situps and weighted ab exercises are sure gonna pack on the mass.......not happenen. You must ask him about his diet. And, those 1,000 situps and weighted ab exercises even if he was eating like an elephant will not pack on the "muscle mass" in the ab area.........not happenen. The only area, that I may agree may come close, but not quite, to the other muscles of the body in growing MAY be the obliques (or the lower sides near hip bone).

You were focusing on the ab routine (and wrong), and the real focus should be on the diet for mass gains, and there is no arguement over that.

If abs clearly showing are NOT the goal, then implementing a caloric surplus coupled with an overall weight training is the answer to a bigger waist. You must learn your MT line (though fitday or other reputatable site) based on current activities, and then go over a reasonable amount, and watch for the feed back on this surplus, and adjust accordingly. AND, EAT CLEAN GOOD FOOD.


One the exercise portion, I suggest overall weight training. I can give some basic advice in general terms, but I would like to know if you have worked out before and how long. Currently, and subject to change, I would reccommend the (6-7) to (10-12) rep range in reps and compound movements for the upper body. This is more of a basic starter range, without knowing specific facts about you. Going heavy doesnt necessarily work for everyone, but in general terms, going heavy (smart wise) for mass (with surplus calories) wont be a bad idea.

I also suggest, squats and dead lifts. The squat doesnt even get mentioned in the breath as an ab torso exercise. However, I assure you, if you ever get sore from the squat when doing them right, you WILL find out what muscles are at work. This MUCH touted exercise, does more for the body and cant be under estimated. The same for the dead lift. Have you done these before? If so how long? You see asking this question will determine his present state, and then one can suggest off of this.

If you havent done them before, start out light, and get the form down, and then do them reletively heavy, but more in the moderate-heavy range to get started.

I have an idea on the back, and yes back exercises. especially the lower back end, but give more information on what you desire.

Im not even going to mention ab exercises in the SAME BREATH as overall weight training, because HIS goal can be reached with overall weight training and more importantly, with a caloric surplus, and get the job done.

And an ab routine (2 to 3 days a week, or even less, on a progressive resistance manner), is all good but, I would argue, one could get it done WITHOUT --direct---ab training, but through indirect torso training when done right.

Caloric surplus (calculated right) with overall entire body training will give him his goal he seeks, NOT AB exercises.

As a side thought: I would include db weighted side bends for obliques (near hip bone). With the small amount of added fat on top (brought on my caloric surplus), and since they tend to respond, in general, better than the abs core in growth, this should make your waist wider as you wish)

Im nearing 46 and I can promise you I didnt get my abs through the ab exercises--its was diet number one. Its the same on either side of the equation: gaining or losing.

If you are a personal trainer, why are you reccommending 1,000 sit ups, LOL. We have other trainers on this site, I absolutely respect, like stoutman, I KNOW he would NOT reccommend 1,000 situps, and would ask in his response about the diet, and other questions more taylored. He hasnt been around lately, but I assure you, (dont blast me steve, lol), he would not agree with you.

By the way, thanks for the pic, you have done a good job.

He needs to give more information.
 
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Ass to the ground squat? My right knee exploded just thinking about that. I was naturally blessed with ****ty knees and I injured one while hiking. If I squat down low enough for my knee to crack with no weight it will be sore for days
 
ok hes some info on me...

i have bench weights etc in my home.. now i started wanting to weight train since xmas and i weighed 11.5 stone.. now im 12.5 stone.. i have been weight lifting since christmas. i never hardly eat bad food anymore maybe a pizza chips now and then thats about. mostly rice and chicken now all good stuff.

im deadlifting 100kg 3x10 as my signature says and squatting 80kgs

i have a pic of my body i just took with m webcam .. the pic abit fussy quality



im a tall person i think im about 6.1 last time i checked ..

and because i have a home gym i tend to not push my self to the limit i can be kinda lazy, i tell myself of all the time lol.

with food im not a big eater i find it hard to eat alot of food i really hav to force my self again. i take protein bars shakes everyday b 4 workouts etc.

now for my goal as u suggest side bends seem to be really good on my waist ive only jus started them so im gonna have to see over time the results.
 
Can I ask why you want a bigger waist, and not a more common larger upper body, (and when ready, cut) for a leaner waist?

You have a very good starter body to bulk it appears to me. A zig-zag approach to diet, maybe?

You already have a hint of the abs showing. Do you want to put on a small amount of muscle in the upper area? I suggest this, but its what ever you desire. From your pic, overall training will do greats works with you---with the proper diet and caloric content. YOU MUST get over not eating if you want to put on some upper body mass--within reason. Mass DOES NOT develop on the ab torso in the same LIKENESS as the upper body, and you must get over this.

let us know
 
i say you bulk and incorporate variations of the squat and of course deadlifts. front squats and zercher squats are killer for me. strengthens the abs well
 
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