I f@$#%$^ hate microsoft

evolution said:
If I had only known...

I spent some time googling the issue. The answer was pretty across-the-board that Apple is a bunch of nazis.
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These are the natures of the internets. And I suppose life in general. Vastly more whining and propaganda than solutions, I've found. You've gotta dig for the good stuff. Or ask someone. I usually prefer to dig, but I'm pretty retarded by most standards.

Not that anyone's arguing that Her Jobs is not Apple's mighty fuhrer.
 
[Focus] said:
I usually prefer to dig, but I'm pretty retarded by most standards.
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Awesome. My mom taught special ed. You might have had her for a teacher. :yelrotflmao:
 
Danger_Dave said:
lol, sorry about your computer. I just got a virus, some sort of fake antivirus **** that can't be erased so i had to reinstall EVERYTHING. I was pissed too. Still am, I can't find my old programs and stuff.
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my sympathy, it stinks. for a computer that has an operating system that is almost 10 years old, it's pathetic it still gets fixes. i've wasted half my day updating some70+ fixes for this pos. how someone can defend such incompetence is bewildering...
 
gotfit said:
my sympathy, it stinks. for a computer that has an operating system that is almost 10 years old, it's pathetic it still gets fixes. i've wasted half my day updating some70+ fixes for this pos. how someone can defend such incompetence is bewildering...
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wait, so ur still using like windows 98?

that's probably ur problem

Windows xp is where it's at. Seriously though, mac just feels weird. The menu bar just shoulnd't be at the top of the screen. It feels morally and ethicaclly wrong to do so.
 
Danger_Dave said:
wait, so ur still using like windows 98?

that's probably ur problem

Windows xp is where it's at. Seriously though, mac just feels weird. The menu bar just shoulnd't be at the top of the screen. It feels morally and ethicaclly wrong to do so.
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'98 was a nightmare, but I am pretty close, I'm using 2000 pro. One step down from xp. My computer is at least 10 years old. I updated everything in it, but none the less it's old. I was planning to get a new one anyway, and yes, it was going to be a Mac. I think they are better computers. May just be my opinion, but I have always thought they were better.

Now I'm excited I'm getting a 24" flat screen with 2GB of memory and 750GB of hard drive! gonna be a nice change :D

I was/am pissed that my computer is so pathetic that an update can kill it, but that doesn't mean I can't fix it, I just hate to waste SO much time doing it.

I know enough about computers that I am on my POS right now, and I didn't lose anything, but why should I have had to go thru all this hell just because MS is so f'ed up and had to make a download that didn't work with another program that practically everyone uses? Come on, that's just bad programming......

anyway, I'm going to "the dark side" and gonna take a hell of a big bite out of that "poison apple".....LOL Better not to live in ignorance I say......:D
 
Probably just try a system restore sounds like you had a bad install :)
What annoys me is the automatic updating of huge files... Slows my net down too much!
 
I trouble shoot PC's based on the Windows platform for a living, and know first hand the complications they can cause.

WindowsXP (for example) has MILLIONS of lines of code, and then when you add in the external installation of various drivers, the addition of other software (and removal), the removal of older hardware (and its drivers, and some dont get properly removed) and then add in the new hardware (and installation of drivers) and add in the fact that most of the software are programmed and written for windows by "other" organizations (and can contain BUGS and incompatabilities)---curing a PC problem can get complicated dependent on the nature of the problem. And, its obvious it is NOT solely and "completely" Microsoft Windows fault.

A lot of software/drivers get registered in the OS registry (and file structure) and/or startup functions (unknown to the user in the back ground), and hog RAM memory, slow performance.......even when the user thinks they removed the software. Is this Windows fault or the installation software? Its actually BOTH.

In other words the platform which is already dirty gets enhanced when there are other fingers in the pie associated with programming certain hardware and software for an OS.

Add in a inexperienced user, and it can get worse.

However, this OS can drive an experienced user to the nut farm even trying to work with it--correctly. (I raise hand high.........> :))

Windows IS FAR FROM PERFECT, LOL. One can do NOTHING wrong, for example, install a USB printer, then its drivers, and it works flawless one day, and the next day, its having convulsions (seemingly smoking crack) trying to locate the same printer, when it worked perfectly printing a 10 page document the day before and the user wasnt even on the pc for a day----> WTF??! :confused: :)

Therefore, Windows "can be" completely at fault at times--unless its the driver (programming from the organization separate from Microsoft) being the chief cause.....of windows not recognizing the printer (as in the example above ;)).

Ever have Windows recognize your printer, but the "software" you are using not recognize it? The OS and the Software MUST programically communicate.....and if the software (written for windows by another organization) has flaws this ISNT the OS's fault--its the programming of the software being used. (the fingers in the pie).


Some of it is the user, but let me tell you......some of it ISNT. Some of it is purely the faults of the OS, no question about it.


GotFit, I didnt read the entire thread (soooorrrry! :)), what is your problem? Maybe I can help you with it. Win 2000 Pro, has many driver, hardware, and software incompatabilities--even by the ones that claim its compatable, and its no longer supported by most producers of hardware/software, though most "traditionally" used software can function on it.



Best wishes,


Chillen
 
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Personally I love MS Windows. MS has always been my favorite OS company since the days of DOS and Windows 3.0. The thing is Windows is designed to be easy to use --- both for developers and users alike. With that said, ease of use comes a price and that price is that it breaks rather easy if you're not careful.

Many common software now a days include installing many "easy" features --- such as a system tray updater, a startup application, etc, etc. For older computers -- and even new computers --- this will eventually take a toll on the entire system making both speed and performance erroneous.

Like a car, you should send your computer to the local repair shop every few years and make them clean your registry and applications no longer used especially if you're installing software frequently. Another thing most people don't understand is that graphics and so fort require a lot of memory especially if you're editing photos or videos or playing video games -- even older software titles such as Half Life can take a toll on new systems as silly as that sounds.

For the average user, here's what you should do often:

Check Harddrive for Errors
Defrag the harddrive every 3 months or so
Run the Cleanup wizard on your main harddrive every so often to remove old compressed files and temp internet files
Right click on IE (or whatever browser you're using) and remove Cookies and Temp files often.

I personally love development on the computer. One of my favorite platforms to work on is Windows... Unix is really secondary for me with the exception of using it for CVS or some sort of code warehouse. In any case, in my opinion if you take up a language, such as BASIC or C#, you'll truly appreciate the system and what it can offer.
 
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smp211 said:
Probably just try a system restore sounds like you had a bad install :)
What annoys me is the automatic updating of huge files... Slows my net down too much!
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It would have been nice it it was that simple a problem, but sadly it wasn't. among the many attempt I made to avoid doing a reformatting, that was one of the straws I grasps at, and the computer was unable to repair itself.

I agree, the large updates can be a problem, Mine still won't let me update the sp4 for this thing...
 
Chillen said:
I trouble shoot PC's based on the Windows platform for a living, and know first hand the complications they can cause.

WindowsXP (for example) has MILLIONS of lines of code, and then when you add in the external installation of various drivers, the addition of other software (and removal), the removal of older hardware (and its drivers, and some dont get properly removed) and then add in the new hardware (and installation of drivers) and add in the fact that most of the software are programmed and written for windows by "other" organizations (and can contain BUGS and incompatabilities)---curing a PC problem can get complicated dependent on the nature of the problem. And, its obvious it is NOT solely and "completely" Microsoft Windows fault.

A lot of software/drivers get registered in the OS registry (and file structure) and/or startup functions (unknown to the user in the back ground), and hog RAM memory, slow performance.......even when the user thinks they removed the software. Is this Windows fault or the installation software? Its actually BOTH.

In other words the platform which is already dirty gets enhanced when there are other fingers in the pie associated with programming certain hardware and software for an OS.

Add in a inexperienced user, and it can get worse.

However, this OS can drive an experienced user to the nut farm even trying to work with it--correctly. (I raise hand high.........> :))

Windows IS FAR FROM PERFECT, LOL. One can do NOTHING wrong, for example, install a USB printer, then its drivers, and it works flawless one day, and the next day, its having convulsions (seemingly smoking crack) trying to locate the same printer, when it worked perfectly printing a 10 page document the day before and the user wasnt even on the pc for a day----> WTF??! :confused: :)

Therefore, Windows "can be" completely at fault at times--unless its the driver (programming from the organization separate from Microsoft) being the chief cause.....of windows not recognizing the printer (as in the example above ;)).

Ever have Windows recognize your printer, but the "software" you are using not recognize it? The OS and the Software MUST programically communicate.....and if the software (written for windows by another organization) has flaws this ISNT the OS's fault--its the programming of the software being used. (the fingers in the pie).


Some of it is the user, but let me tell you......some of it ISNT. Some of it is purely the faults of the OS, no question about it.


GotFit, I didnt read the entire thread (soooorrrry! :)), what is your problem? Maybe I can help you with it. Win 2000 Pro, has many driver, hardware, and software incompatabilities--even by the ones that claim its compatable, and its no longer supported by most producers of hardware/software, though most "traditionally" used software can function on it.



Best wishes,


Chillen
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Hey Chillen,

I agree, even with all my gripping and moaning, it isn't all MS's fault. There are many factors involved, but in this case I did have my warranted grievance against them.

When MS put out this new fix (for a computer system that is over 10 years old....:confused:) it was quickly discovered that there was an incompatibility problem with Zonealarm. It caused many computers to be cut off from the internet. For some the solution was simple, they merely had to lower their internet security to "medium" in the zonealarm setting and that did it. For others it took complete removal of the program for it to work. For me neither of these worked.

I use comcast, and generally don't rely on them to help me if I have an issue but I decided to call after a couple of days trying to figure out why after I did this update nothing was working. They must have got so many calls, that they actually had a pre-recorded message explaining there was a problem, and if the two different solutions they offered (the pre-mentioned ones) didn't work that you needed to call microsoft or zonealarm. :rolleyes:

I tried everything I could think of to get this computer to get on line and it just wouldn't happen. Finally I got fed up, and went on line with my phone. Looked up the last update that microsoft put out and went back to my computer. Went to add/ remove programs and uninstalled it.

Ok, should have known better than to do that, and the sad thing ( in my opinion is that I shouldn;t have to fear that) but, when I did it, it destroyed my OS. Now regardless if that code was written by them or outsourced, it was badly written code if all it takes is it's removal to completely destroy the whole OS. When I got the blue screen of death, I was a bit suprised. I couldn't believe that something like removing an update would kill my computer.

Thankfully I know a lot about computers, and I have a secondary HD with the OS on it. so it was a matter of switching my storage drive to my main drive, and making my main drive my storage drive for me to access all my info. Yeah I had to move and burn some stuff (my old drive is only 10GB, my main drive 80GB) but I lost nothing. It was merely that fact that I had to go thru all that trouble because of a poorly written code.

So I appreciate the offer of help, I am actually using the computer now till I get my apple. I'm just tired of having to do all these fixes, and deal with all these little issues that keep coming up every time MS decides to do something different or send a fix. I know my computer is old, and I was planning to get another one soon anyway, but this just added to my reason why I wanted to change.

I'll probably keep this one, just for the kids or for any extra crap I play with on it......

Thanks again Chillen, I always appreciate your input :)
 
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