niceone said:
I'm a bit confused by this sentence. Earlier on you said this:
So.. Essentially people should lift enough weight that they gain muscle mass, but they should also lift with intensity to lose fat? I think this is what you are saying, sorry if I am getting it wrong.
That is the concept, yes.
I think what people (me included) were getting at earlier is that when you lift high frequency (or intensity as you put it) You are actually stimulating small muscle fibers, which are typically what you see on long distance runners.. Those runners are strong and have great stamina, but they are usually tiny. In order to oxidize fat during your workout, you must have a maintained elevated heart rate and in many cases, you must deplete the glycogen in your liver.
You assume 2 things falsely:
1. Only this method eliminates fat deposits.
2. I stated that all strength and mass gains come from this method.
Neither are true.
Dieting goes only so far in that eating clean with proper nutrient timing will lessen the chances of stored fat (amongst all the other very important functions).. BUT, not everyone will see growth and fat loss at once. I'm sorry, you can't prove that your argument is so black and white and pertains to everyone..
1. I never said growth and fat loss occur at exactly the same instance (same hour, same day, same exercise, etc.)
2. It DOES pertain to everyone. Since you state I cannot prove it, there is no point going further.
Agreed, Simply knowing your body and how it reacts is often enough when it comes to general health.. People use 'higher math' to track caloric intake because they can then tweak their diets very finely. It's also a great way of finding out which ratios work best for you. You cannot determine which ratios to use if you do not use math.
Exactly. And what I said was this is totally unnecessary when the exercise program is right.
Does the trick? What does that mean exactly? Having both factors is counterintuitive in some situations because.. sometimes the factors cannot exist at the same time. To burn fat, generally you require a caloric deficit, to gain muscle you typically require a caloric surplus.
The problem here is that you are locking yourself into the diet before exercise mentality.
As I stated, it is not diet that does the job. -Exercise does. On top of that, you are looking at calorie counting as the kingpin of your methods.
How many loggers do you know who count calories?
You can argue all you want that genetics are a crutch and that people are weak for not finding their true potential,
I neverr called anyone weak. I simply stated that blaming ANYTHING for lack of result is insane when, quite simply, the method of reaching the goal was incorrect.
but I assure you.. I know how my body reacts to: high intensity, low intensity, cardio, high frequency, low frequency etc etc.. And I don't gain muscle and lose fat. I can find a sweet spot where i gain very little fat while bulking, but with my fast metabolism, I know that I need to eat frequently, and eat right. I don't lose fat when I eat frequently.
If you can show me one study that says genetics do not play a role in ones ability to synthesize muscle or oxidize fat, I will bow down declare you the winner
1. I don't care if you claim me a "winner" as I don't consider us in a discussion where one method of reaching a goal is the only way and the other absolutely uneffective.
I simply state your method is absolutely unhealthy and creates the conception of genetics being a culprit when that is simply untrue.
2. Studies are almost useless. -As are statistics. I say almost because every study has another which contradicts it. Neither tends to take the whole picture into account, and when less than 1% difference in anything is produced, it is considered IRRELEVANT.
How many people live on the planet?
Out of 10,000,000 1% makes for 100,000 people.
Being wrong by 100,000 people is pretty far off. -But statistics and studies don't often think about that. By the way, who funds the studies, and why? What is the aim and whose pocket does it line?
3. I never said genetics does not play a role. I GENETICLY have a fast metabolism and have a hard time gaining weight. -But surprise, without your proposed need for diet taking control, I can achieve great gains and result by the method I suppose.
-And so do others I am training who have slow metabolisms. Or those above age 60. Or anyone else.
So for those of us who don't realize the effectiveness of your system, we don't know our stuff?.. Sorry that's a bit of a cheap shot. You haven't really said anything to back up your claims.. WHATSOEVER.
You already said I couldn't prove it.
Actually, I cannot understand why I even SHOULD back up my claims. It cost ME a pretty penny for all the books and research I had to do to learn this stuff.
Why bother spewing it all out for you?
I made it my business to do it the right way. As soon as I tell YOU anything significant, the first thing you will do is what you have consistently done already: Deny, insult, publicize.
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I'm not going to argue that these fine fellows weren't able to build impressive physiques blah blah blah.. But would you say physiological studies hold no ground?
I said nothing of physiques. I stated that that was the BYPRODUCT.
Your assumption of their irrelevancy speaks volumes.
I would incorporate a little bit of science into your belief system.
Well, if science is supposed to be fact, then great. The science I have seen so far is blind supposition based on tunnelvisioned methodology totally out of context with the result required. -Desire and requirement are 2 different things. The body REQUIRES health. You DESIRE result. The 2 can meet, but when eliminating the REQUIRED, you will do damage.
This diet rollercoaster is what controls whether you lose fat or not. Do you actually know what factors need to be present in order for the body to shed fat? Not just that the olden day lifters knew their stuff.. But do you actually understand the physiology behind fat oxidization?
Apparently this discussion is a lost cause.
I will give up to try to scavenge what is left of the integrity of the thread.
I will let it hang in the supposition that I have zero knowledge of how the body handles fat, protein, calories, nor physiology, nor anything else related to the body.
