How to pay for lap band when insurance won't?

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Ok, obviously we have a few "know it all's" here, yes?

I have the very same problem with no health coverage for a lap band.
However, for the folks that think they know everything, should know That I am 52 years old woman.
I come from a morbidly obese family, I not only have the obesity gene I have to fight, I also have memmories of food, and the way my family ate. I weigh 340 lbs, And yes I have lost an enormous amount of weight also, only once, 120 lb's to be exact. Try doing that more then once, and you tell me how that feels hmm? And yes the weight came right back on.
I've tried every diet I could think of, with no success. I have many health problems, the first being Hepatitis c, I contacted it 25+ years ago. I am now at end stage liver cirrosis. Along with this comes many complications. My failing liver causes hypo-thyroid disease, diabetes, energy so low I can barely walk. I'm basically a hemophiliac from my low platelete count, since my liver does clean out toxins from my body ie; digested protein and all the drugs I am taking to keep alive, cause a high level of Amonia in my system which destroys brain cells. I could go on...
However, I can not have a liver transplant unless I weigh 175 lbs. I have tried so hard, but with my seditary life style the weight won't come off.
I'm a proud woman, and I just recently came to the conclusion that I needed help, not an easy thing for me to ask for, sigh.
It will all be for nothing, since my health insurance doesn't cover it.
So.. I guess I just die.
I don't get these insurance companies, it would be far cheaper to help morbidly obese people in the long run, because of all the complications, other then the Cirrosis. Depression, diabetes, higher risk of cancer, heart disease, hipertension, cardio vascular disease, I'm sure I'm forgetting many more.
I would love to see one of these negative people walk in my shoes, Oh I'll be nice; an hour would be all it would take for you "get it".

I'm afraid that even if your insurance covered the cost of the weight loss surgery, chances are that you wouldn't find a surgeon to do it. To even be considered for weight loss surgery, you need to be in a generally good state of health. (Other than being overweight, obviously.)

And there is no obesity gene. That's an excuse.

Walk in your shoes? Well, I lost 130 lbs. Put 100 lbs back on. Lost 80, put 50 back on. Now lost 30, and working on getting back on track.

And guess what? I had weight loss surgery, ten years ago. It nearly killed me. To this day, I have problems because of it. There are days I can barely walk because my back is killing me. I've got cramps that make it impossible for me to even straighten up. There are days where I can't even function without painkillers. There are days I can't remember because the painkillers knock me out. I've been diagnosed with clinical depression six months ago, and it took a hell lot of work to get out of that hole, believe me.

Walk in our shoes? Been there, done that, and you know what? I would not, in a million years, try surgery again, and I think that no health insurance should pay for it.

There is plenty of help for people who are overweight. I was offered courses about nutrition, appointments with dietitians, gym classes for absolute beginners, and piles more. I went for it. Every single one. Some were good, some were rubbish, but I took something out of all of them. The main thing was that weight loss starts in your head, and that the fact that you can't exercise is no excuse for not losing weight. I met people who lost nearly 200 lbs just by changing their diet. The woman was in her 60's and suffered from hyperthyroidism. So....yeah. It is possible, without surgery.
 
Ok, first of all your both wrong regarding "the fat gene". So it doesn't exist right?

This was just one link, and there are many, just google it.

So perhaps you girls need to do alittle bit of research before telling everyone there is no "fat gene", yes?

Korrie, have you ever tried losing 120 lbs before, I'm guessing not, so please don't preach to me about "Why I put it all on again".

San, I'm sorry to hear about what you have been going through. So lets forget the shoes bit, I have suffered a stroke, I'm dying of liver disease, and I too can barely walk. Believe me I'm no stranger to constant pain. Looks like we both have our problems, however Mine will kill me fairly soon, thus the lapband.

Also the lapbands now-a-days are basically bloodless and far different from the one you had done, perhaps you should have waited.

I did get a surgeon btw, we are trying to get a loan right now.

Umm, about you teaching me nutrition, I think not, because you seem so ignorant in many things.

When you reach end stage liver disease as I have, the liver can't process proteins, so it takes it out of your muscle. They become wasted away. Hence, I can't lift weights, or do strength excersises because there is simple no extra protein to renew and recharge my muscles.

Some of my symptoms include:

•Altered mood and behaviour
•Drowsiness
•Delirium
•Confusion
•Restlessness
•Incoherent speech
•Fits
•Coma
•Yawning
•Flapping tremor of hands
•Difficulty with fine movements of hands
•Sweet smelling breath
•Jaundice
•Itchy skin
•Enlarged liver
•Ascites
•Distended abdomen
•Abdominal pain
•Nausea
•Malaise
•Vomiting
•Diarrhoea
•Vomiting or coughing up blood
•Hyperventilation
•Breathing difficulties
•Breathlessness

I will say goodbye, I wish you both well, but you both need to get a clue about the newest information. Take care.
 
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Now, I know i'm not as smart as you are...obviously. But I am a nursing student. We HAVE covered these things before. There IS NO fat gene. PERIOD. Unless my WHOLE UNIVERSITY is wrong...and many many others. Just b/c theres some article or study about it doesnt' make it so.

I wish you well also. Please take your negative tone with you on the way out. Seems to me like your very bitter about your health problems and are taking it out on other people.....again, I'm sorry for your health conserns..i really am...and I hope in the end you find something to help you out. But don't take your anger out on us.

OH and I'm wondering will this weight loss surgery cure your fat gene as well???
 
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Oh and heres an article that i'd like you to read..



its about people using a "fat gene" as an excuse to throw in the towel.
 
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Ok, first of all your both wrong regarding "the fat gene". So it doesn't exist right?

This was just one link, and there are many, just google it.

So perhaps you girls need to do alittle bit of research before telling everyone there is no "fat gene", yes?

Korrie, have you ever tried losing 120 lbs before, I'm guessing not, so please don't preach to me about "Why I put it all on again".

San, I'm sorry to hear about what you have been going through. So lets forget the shoes bit, I have suffered a stroke, I'm dying of liver disease, and I too can barely walk. Believe me I'm no stranger to constant pain. Looks like we both have our problems, however Mine will kill me fairly soon, thus the lapband.

Also the lapbands now-a-days are basically bloodless and far different from the one you had done, perhaps you should have waited.

I did get a surgeon btw, we are trying to get a loan right now.

Umm, about you teaching me nutrition, I think not, because you seem so ignorant in many things.

When you reach end stage liver disease as I have, the liver can't process proteins, so it takes it out of your muscle. They become wasted away. Hence, I can't lift weights, or do strength excersises because there is simple no extra protein to renew and recharge my muscles.

Some of my symptoms include:

•Altered mood and behaviour
•Drowsiness
•Delirium
•Confusion
•Restlessness
•Incoherent speech
•Fits
•Coma
•Yawning
•Flapping tremor of hands
•Difficulty with fine movements of hands
•Sweet smelling breath
•Jaundice
•Itchy skin
•Enlarged liver
•Ascites
•Distended abdomen
•Abdominal pain
•Nausea
•Malaise
•Vomiting
•Diarrhoea
•Vomiting or coughing up blood
•Hyperventilation
•Breathing difficulties
•Breathlessness

I will say goodbye, I wish you both well, but you both need to get a clue about the newest information. Take care.

With the medical problems you have, I really think this was never the place for you. Be well.
 
Hi Mayagita,
I'm sorry to hear about all your health problems. You do have a choice. Lose weight and get a transplant. A lap band won't solve all your problems. You have to be willing to help yourself. If you won't make an effort to help yourself than why would any one else want to help you? Have you asked yourself that?
It really is up to you. I wish you all the best
Lynn
 
By the way, My sister was 370lbs, 56yrs old and had a heart attack. she also has many other problems. The Drs. told her if you don't lose weight you will die. That was last year. She has lost 100lbs so far. She wants to live and is doing something about it.
We have that choice to lose weight. We know all the struggles and setbacks. lose and regain. We've all been there.
Again if you want to live lose weight.
All the best to you Lynn
 
Korrie, thank you, I am sorry I bit your ear off. I'm just so frustrated.
I'm mad at myself, for not being to do this on my own.


Well if you look up the fat gene at Fred hutchins hospital, they too agreed there IS a fat gene. I would tend to agree with them. Unfortunately nurses are not specialists, I have no idea why they would take that stance, someone there must know the latest news. Also, schools don't like to be wrong, makes them look bad. Nothing against you, but sometimes you need to question your teachers. Good practice. ;) Take care.

I came to this site after I searched for lapband/no insurance coverage.
 
Korrie, thank you, I am sorry I bit your ear off. I'm just so frustrated.
I'm mad at myself, for not being to do this on my own.


Well if you look up the fat gene at Fred hutchins hospital, they too agreed there IS a fat gene. I would tend to agree with them. Unfortunately nurses are not specialists, I have no idea why they would take that stance, someone there must know the latest news. Also, schools don't like to be wrong, makes them look bad. Nothing against you, but sometimes you need to question your teachers. Good practice. ;) Take care.

I came to this site after I searched for lapband/no insurance coverage.

Hey, no need to apologize. I understand your frusteration!!

Ok, lets do this...lets say that there is a fat gene. ok? There is a fat gene. What does that mean exactly?? Is that the sole reason for your weight gain?? Also, I am curious, if you have this fat gene that makes you gain weight....how is the lap band surgery going to help??? Won't your fat gene just make you gain the weight back??
 
Korrie~ Yes, I just need to get my weight down, then after the transplant I will be very careful about weight gain. Simple all there is to it. The critical thing here is time Korrie. Doing it myself will take 2 yr's or so? Too long for me. Not time for setbacks, no time for much.

BigLyn~ Thank you so much, I need as many as I can get. :) Thank you.
 
I'd like to point out, if there was such a thing as a fat gene, or something that made people fat without eating, then they would be all over it trying to solve third world starvation
 
Hi, having read this thread I feel that the response to surgery has an option to weight loss is an over-reaction. We are all different and our bodies handle the extra weight differently. Because one person looses their weight through exercise and diet does not mean that everyone can. I don’t think surgery is a quick fix, I think it provides a “control†that forces you into learning how to manage your eating disorder. Personally I am considering surgery to supplement a eating plan and exercise regime - I am not able to run/fast walk or do aerobics etc without doing serious injury. And personally if I am prepared to pay for the surgery I think its really a personal choice. I am not known for my willpower and if I can get a kickstart somehow I am grabbing it with both hands. You are all also forgetting the psycological aspect of weight and the feelings of helplessness and hopelessness one ends up with after having failed at hundreds of diets, and countless hours in the gym. My body, mind and spirit need a change!
 
If you're 'not known for your willpower', you should forget about the idea of surgery right here and now. Living on the restricted diet that the band forces you to requires more willpower than any lifestyle change, diet or exercise program. I can tell you now, without the shadow of a doubt, that the band will not help you, and all you will achieve is a heap of medical problems on top of the extra weight.

The band doesn't help you to manage your 'eating disorder' (which I don't think you have in the first place, just for the record). On the contrary, it will actually give you one if you're not careful. The band works by punishing you for overeating (and sometimes, just for eating at all). You eat too much, or the wrong things, or too quick, and the punishment will be violent pain, cramps and vomitting (in the best case). A similar concept as a well known eating disorder - you eat, then feel bad for eating, and bring it all back up. The only difference is that in the first instance it is the band that makes you throw up, and in the second, you actively do it yourself. The result is almost identical though.


Apart from that, I whole heartedly disagree with your 'not everyone can lose weight with exercise and diet'. Yes, everyone can. Unless there is a serious medical condition that makes it impossible for you to lose weight despite being in a caloric deficit and regular physical exercise, absolutely everybody can. And medical conditions like that are rarer than winning the lottery three times in a row.


Yes, everybody is different. Weight loss is different for everybody. There is no 'one size fits all' rule on this. But the basics are the same for everybody: If you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight. Period. If you add exercise to the mix, you have a good chance of losing weight faster, since you burn more calories.


There is no need for running or doing aerobics, a simple walk in the park can be added as exercise if that is more than you are doing right now. There are plenty of ways to include exercise without overdoing it. When I started, I was almost 400 lbs. I couldn't run (heck, I still can't), and Aerobics were a distant dream. I started by walking, and swimming. Swimming is brilliant - no impact, gentle on the joints, yet done on a regular basis and properly, it can definitely help you lose weight and get you into shape, maybe even enable you to go on to more rigorous exercise after losing some weight.


In the end, yes, it is a personal choice. But to me, as somebody who has been there and done that, the band is the answer to looking for a quick fix, looking for something that will do the job for you rather than doing it yourself. You don't want to learn how to control yourself, you want something to control things for you, something that 'forces' you to change your eating habits rather than changing them yourself. And for a short while, it will work. You can't spend any amount of time eating almost nothing and vomitting your heart out and not lose weight. So yeah, you'll get your kickstart alright. Of course there is the issue of not learning anything, and not being able to eat healthily due to the restrictions of the band, and the fact that once the band comes out, you still won't have any willpower and an even bigger craving for the food that you have been deprived of for the time you had the band, thus being at immense risk of putting the weight back on. But hey, in the end, it is your body and your decision, and the only real way to learn something is from your own mistakes.


Originally Posted by Sally Anne Dore


Hi, having read this thread I feel that the response to surgery has an option to weight loss is an over-reaction. We are all different and our bodies handle the extra weight differently. Because one person looses their weight through exercise and diet does not mean that everyone can. I don’t think surgery is a quick fix, I think it provides a “control†that forces you into learning how to manage your eating disorder. Personally I am considering surgery to supplement a eating plan and exercise regime - I am not able to run/fast walk or do aerobics etc without doing serious injury. And personally if I am prepared to pay for the surgery I think its really a personal choice. I am not known for my willpower and if I can get a kickstart somehow I am grabbing it with both hands. You are all also forgetting the psycological aspect of weight and the feelings of helplessness and hopelessness one ends up with after having failed at hundreds of diets, and countless hours in the gym. My body, mind and spirit need a change!
 
just adding two things..


one..this is a really old thread to be bringing back from the dead, please be aware of that when adding a post Sally :)


Two..San, that response should be a stickie. That is VERY well said.
 
i beleive in the surgery. but i am also new. but thats not the point. i am very sick and im on so much insulin the doctor

said its blowing me up.he said that this is the reason i can't lose weight.

although i have went on a low carb diet on my own and have lost 3 pounds. the doctor told me there

was no use in me trying to lose weight. he said i need gastric bypass or die.


i don't have the money for the surgery. but i am trying to get insurance now.

so along with dieting im trying to get the surgery. im only 4foot 11inches tall and now

weight 303 and i can barley get around. i can't stand for more than 4 minutes at a

time.

im very afraid of the surgery but i have never been able to keep weight off me.

and i always gain back more than i lose. i feel helpless.
 
I'm sorry, but if any of the above is correct, your doctor needs to be strung up by his private parts and never be allowed to practice again.


Insulin doesn't 'blow you up'. If it does, your dosage is wrong and needs adjusting, which is your doctor's job.


A low carb diet for somebody who is on insulin is dangerous, you need a proper, balanced diet under medical supervision, which again, would be your doctor's job.


A doctor that tells you that there is no use trying to lose weight? That it's gastric bypass or die? Let me have a guess...he just happens to know somebody in the clinic that would put the bypass in??


If your weight would be caused by the insulin, the surgery would be useless, since you most likely won't stop taking the insulin afterwards, at least not entirely, so how is that going to work? And the surgery won't teach you how to eat, so if you say that you have a habit of always gaining back what you lose, believe me, you're almost certain to gain it back after the surgery.


You say you believe in the surgery, but later on say that you're very afraid of it. So really, you don't believe in it at all. Otherwise, what is there to be scared of?


Look around just on this forum, there is tons of information. People who were bigger than you and had health problems managed to get rid of their weight, or are in the process of doing so. We have a section for weight loss with health problems, and there is more than one person who is on insulin for various reasons. And they all manage without somebody cutting them open.


You have every reason to be afraid of the surgery. At your weight, the mere process of putting the bypass in could kill you. And no, I am not just trying to scare you, or put you off the surgery, I am saying it because it's true. Where I come from, no surgeon would even consider performing any kind of surgery on you unless it was an emergency because the risk is simply too high.


What you need is not surgery. What you need is help and advice as to how to lose weight properly, how to keep it off, and people who support you and don't leave you to your own devices. A lot of that can be found on this forum, and forums like these. Just have a good look around. And maybe see if there is a group in your local community that could help. And no, I don't mean slimming world or weight watchers, I mean just a group of people trying to lose weight. like this forum, just in real life.


Originally Posted by cherokee


i beleive in the surgery. but i am also new. but thats not the point. i am very sick and im on so much insulin the doctor

said its blowing me up.he said that this is the reason i can't lose weight.

although i have went on a low carb diet on my own and have lost 3 pounds. the doctor told me there

was no use in me trying to lose weight. he said i need gastric bypass or die.



i don't have the money for the surgery. but i am trying to get insurance now.

so along with dieting im trying to get the surgery. im only 4foot 11inches tall and now

weight 303 and i can barley get around. i can't stand for more than 4 minutes at a

time.

im very afraid of the surgery but i have never been able to keep weight off me.

and i always gain back more than i lose. i feel helpless.
 
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