How bad is bread?

Is that even 1200kcal ? I wouldn't have guessed offhand it was.
A good sort of structure to follow is: Eat at maintenance and bring in excersize, once you reach a plateu, take out 250kcal, then once you hit another plateu, take out another 250kcal, it gives you good results :) If anyone agrees with that ?
 
It's not bad advice actually Pink. The idea is to eat as much as you possibly can while still invoking weight loss. This does 2 things.

1. Helps fight the feelings of deprivation b/c.... duh, you aren't depriving yourself.

2. Sets yourself up for a reasonable weigh loss. Reasonable in the sense that that you won't be losing so quickly that muscle loss and metabolic slowdown (which is inevitable) occur.

Eating enough becomes even more important when you don't have all that much fat to lose, which seems to be the case with you. When this is the case, the hormonal disruptions that many label starvation response occur much faster. Your metabolic rate becomes much more volatile. And losing weight on a long term basis becomes much more difficult.

My suggestion is to always start with a straight caloric deficit. How long have you been eating at 1200 cals? I believe you said you were 145 lbs. At 1200 cals, you are eating approximately 8 cals per pound. That is low. In EXTREME cases, I have seen people have to drop that low. I would rather see you up around 10-12. If that doesn't work, then drop down to 8-10. This would give you a little more room to "wiggle" in terms of calorie manipulation. Already at 8 per pound, you are backing yourself into a corner, since I don't recommend going much lower than that, if at all.

You just have to know that plateaus are much more probable when you don't have a lot of fat to lose, due to the things I said above. Sometimes, because of this, cyclical calorie approaches are calling for when you are cycling up and down your cal/carb intake. It might be something worth noting and looking into further if you find "straight deficit" dieting doesn't do the trick for you.
 
I've jsu been on 1,200calorie diet the past week.I just started. So how many calories should I be taking in?
 
I'd like to see you start at 12 calories per pound. Of this, you should be getting close to 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight and .25 - .5 grams of fats, mostly coming from the good stuff. The rest can be comprised of more fats and of course carbs.

There is no set exercise regimen that you should be following. However, I would certainly recommend weight training. Why? As I mentioned earlier, since you aren't starting out terribly far from a goal weight, your body has the propensity to "give up" muscle mass more so than you fatter counterpart.

Starting with 3-4 sessions of "cardio" per week would be a good start.
 
Bread is a great food, whole bread of course, is very nutritive and healthy The main problem is what people put inside the bread.. And of course the calories of that type of bread, you can easily find whole bread with like 55kcal by slice. =)
 
I do plan on joining curves in a month its just getting the money right now. I would love to do weight lifting, but theres only a guys gym where I live and im really shy and don't like people looking at me. So I was going to join curves and see what it's all about.
So 12 cal per pound would be around 1,700 cal. a day correct?
 
knjwright said:
I do plan on joining curves in a month its just getting the money right now. I would love to do weight lifting, but theres only a guys gym where I live and im really shy and don't like people looking at me. So I was going to join curves and see what it's all about.
So 12 cal per pound would be around 1,700 cal. a day correct?
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Yup.

Start with 1700 per day. Track your weight and your measurements. I suggest taking measurements of at least your chest, navel, waist, arms, hips, thighs, and calves on a bi-weekly basis.

Really try and stick with the guidelines I provided above concerning protein, fats, and carbs.

And I did not know there was such a thing as a guy's gym. :confused:

Curves, blah.
 
Don't hate on curves -it actually does help some people -it gives them the individual attention that doesn't exist in the mass market gyms and it gives people some direction.
 
well where I live there is a (guy's gym) I have never seen a women in there. Im too scared to go there. Im chicken.
Thanks maleficent for sticking up for Curves. lol
 
maleficent said:
Don't hate on curves -it actually does help some people -it gives them the individual attention that doesn't exist in the mass market gyms and it gives people some direction.
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Right, and it is also based on advertising and marketing to a select few people who just so happen to be the least educated when it comes to the topic at hand.

This translates into mass following, obviously noticed from it's huge membership, which surely can get results.... but those results would be better and faster found elsewhere IMO.

I am aloud to have an opinion too, ya know.
 
knjwright said:
well where I live there is a (guy's gym) I have never seen a women in there. Im too scared to go there. Im chicken.
Thanks maleficent for sticking up for Curves. lol
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Look, I can understand how awkward it would be going to a gym where membership is comprised of majority men. If I were female, I don't know if I would have the guts to venture into such an establishment or not. Hopefully I will never find out, as I really have no intentions of becoming a female anytime soon.

That said, if curves is the avenue that is gong to lead you to consistent effort, so be it. Is it optimal IMO? No. Is it better than not doing any weights? Certainly. A lot better.

Are there not a few options to choose from in your area when it comes to "real" gyms? If there are a few, I recommend getting some trial passes and giving them the "test run." You don't know if you like something or not until you try it.
 
as am I - :D

I might not be as smart as you are - or in good shape but I do know that different things work for different people and sometimes it's giving them a place to start to get some confidence i their abilities isn't neccessarily a bad thing...

so this topic was about bread? :D
 
there are but there 30 minutes away and right now we have one car and my husband takes it to work all day so when he gets home I don't have time to drive an hour round trip to go to a gym when theres a curves 5 minutes away from my house.
Im having a problem when I was on 1200cal I was allowed 16 pts a day broken down was breakfast 4 Lunch 5 Snack 2 Dinner 5.
I added it and 1700 cal would take my points up to 22 pts. But I don't know how to break them down. Could you help?
 
maleficent said:
I might not be as smart as you are - or in good shape but I do know that different things work for different people and sometimes it's giving them a place to start to get some confidence i their abilities isn't neccessarily a bad thing...

so this topic was about bread? :D
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And you are definitely smarter than me. :)

I only brought up my dislike for Curves and my concern b/c I have been in this industry a long time. I have seen MANY women think that there is some magic to the circuitry of the methods Curves uses.

I don't necessarily have a problem that Curves caters to women only. But if they are going to market themselves to such a group, many of whom are desperate to get in shape, I would much rather they promote different, more optimal styles of training.

But oh wait, then people might actually be in the building for too long of a time and their goal is to move people in and out like cattle. :p

Money is the end goal, right? Not optimal results.

If anything, they are sub-optimal. Now, would it be in the reader's of this forum's best interest if I didn't say anything? IMO, no, it wouldn't.

Trust me, you certainly don't have to tell me that certain people need certain things. And that isn't exactly true. Certain people need certain starting points. But the end goal is always the same. Get them to a healthy, functioning level.... physically and mentally so that the optimal methods can be applied.

I have started people out doing ridiculously simple tasks that involved no weight training. Because they were either not mentally or physically ready to do so.

If Curves is the "right" starting place for some, I HONESTLY have no issue with that. As long as the "user" understands that this is what it is: A starting place.
 
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knjwright said:
there are but there 30 minutes away and right now we have one car and my husband takes it to work all day so when he gets home I don't have time to drive an hour round trip to go to a gym when theres a curves 5 minutes away from my house.
Im having a problem when I was on 1200cal I was allowed 16 pts a day broken down was breakfast 4 Lunch 5 Snack 2 Dinner 5.
I added it and 1700 cal would take my points up to 22 pts. But I don't know how to break them down. Could you help?
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Why not ditch the points system and just work out your nutrition the old fashioned way. I mean, if you love the points system, I can try and help you figure it out... but I am not positive of it's inner-workings. You would have to "educate" me.

But, if it is complicating the process, I suggest throwing it out. There is certainly no magic to points. Calories will always be calories, protein will always be protein, carbs will always be carbs, and fats will always be fats. They were around long before the points system. :)
 
Back to bread -

Try Wonder 100% Whole Wheat for white bread fans (make sure it says 100% and not just "made with" Whole Wheat).

It's not grainy like stone ground. It's very smooth and light - VERY similar to white bread.
 
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