Hi all! Just joined after finishing clinical weight loss trial

[Keithincda]

Greetings from the Northwest U.S. ! I just came across the forum and like what I have read so far...I just completed a 12 week clinical trial supervised by 2 medical doctors along with 49 other people. Collectively as a group we lost 1560+ lbs and lost over 200 inches as measured around our waists. In the end we still had 100% participation from all selected, unheard of in a clinical weight loss trial study!
My personal loss was 50.4 lbs and 9.5 inches. I started at 264 and am now at 215, though my goal was to get to 220. It was a great learning experience and I am very happy with the results, hope I can help or inspire others!

 

[Jericho]

Well, welcome but I'm about to be harsh on you.

I don't believe you. There would be a great deal of press for such a result. There isn't. Based on other information of yours, I don't believe you. You haven't broken any forum rules right now which is why I can't ban or delete this post.

I'm open minded though...prove me wrong.

 

[Keithincda]

Thanks Jericho. I appreciate the chance to show the "proof".
As I said the trial study just finished, last Monday the 13th was the final weigh in. And a national launch starts the week of October 4th.
Would you like the names of the Doctors who supervised the study or the web page where all 50 of us are pictured with our final weight loss totals and the totals for all of us a group? The dates and locations of the launch meetings are listed there as well.
It is a new meal replacement drink that is EXTREMELY high in antioxidants (as in one drink has the equivalent antioxidant content of 100 cups of raw spinach).
The diet was based 2 drinks replacing 2 meals per day, a total of 1200 calories per day for women and 1500 calories per day for men, exercise (up to 10k steps per day), a food log and a support group. I have some excellent before and after pictures of me if you'd like to see those as well.
Think about and research the 02 Diet, go to Amazon and read some of the book information from Keri Glassman, who wrote it.
This was not the 02 Diet, but is in line with the ability to lose weight on a high antioxidant diet by repairing cell damage and eliminating inflammation as you begin to recover from the damage caused by free radicals, including weight gain and in particular "belly fat".

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[Jericho]

And now I know you are a fraud...antioxidants has nothing to do with weight loss. Zero. You lost weight cause you cut the calories. Hell, the claim you can even target 'belly fat' is false cause fat goes on the body in a genetic order and comes off in the reverse. You can't spot reduce. Now there is more than one type of fat and the type you might be trying to say can be reduced with this crap has been shown to be reduced with moderate to intense exercise..but not with diet.

Let's talk antioxidants..

http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2007-mchi/4216.html

Great. It has been proven to help prevent some diseases but not weight. There isn't anything about weight there because antioxidants doesn't do anything for fat, it all about free radicals in the blood.

But let us discuss the claim of antioxidants in spinach

NIST confirmed that spinach is rich in the antioxidants beta-carotene and lutein. Although the actual amounts look small (the antioxidants constitute 0.0019 per cent and 0.0033 per cent of the spinach by mass, respectively), spinach contains far more of the two combined than most other fruits or vegetables.

so a glass of something with 100 cups worth of this sounds great...except

According to The American Heart Association, “people should eat a variety of foods daily from all of the basic food groups to ensure a proper daily intake.” Moreover, they believe it is better to get the bulk of your needed nutrients from food, as opposed to supplements. Keep in mind that we now know that consuming mega-doses of antioxidants can actually be harmful due to their potential toxicity and interactions with medications. Next time your at your grocery store, you don’t have to go to the vitamin isle to find health, just look up and down the food isles.

So by your plan you are drinking 200 cups worth of the antioxidants a day NOT including those you make naturally as well as in the other food you eat, all for the false claim that it is connected to weight loss.

While we are at it, let's discuss free radicals

Vitamin C, for example, is good at warding off cancer, except when it fuels its growth. Laboratory animals that received vitamin C before exposure to a powerful dose of the herbicide paraquat were largely protected from cancer. For animals that received vitamin C after exposure, the antioxidant properties of vitamin C aggravated the damage caused by the herbicide and led to more cancers.

Similar, contradictory findings have been published on beta carotene, which is strongly associated with fueling lung cancer in smokers. Vitamin E has been shown to prevent heart disease yet also raise the risk of a second heart attack. Selenium showed promise in cancer prevention in small studies but had zero benefit in a long, large study of 60,000 nurses.

Part of the problem is the complexity of disease prevention. Free radicals, those nasty cell-damaging chemicals that we try to smother with antioxidants, are also important to the immune system, killing bacteria and cancer cells. An influx of vitamins and minerals with antioxidant properties (such as vitamins C and E and selenium) at the wrong time could prevent free radicals from helping the body.

so such a megadose can actually make you sick cause those free radicals are actually helpful as well. The hype for antioxidants as a wondercure for everything including weight loss is just that. It's hype. It's advertising that diet companies..like the one you are pushing (I saw the site)..use on the public by taking something that is useful in normal doses (a healthy diet) and push it like the end all be all in health. If it has antioxidants then it HAS to be good (see Acai berry for such hype). You always have to peel away the advertising layers to get to the truth.

As far as the O2 diet goes, it has nothing to do with antioxidants, it's about the food itself. They are nutritionally dense, LOW CALORIE foods.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-o2-diet?page=2

The O2 Diet: What the Experts Say
It certainly won't hurt you to eat lots of nutrient-dense, less-processed foods, but do you really need 30,000 or more ORAC points a day?

It's not clear whether antioxidant activity can be used as a measure for weight loss success, says American Dietetic Association spokeswoman Lona Sandon, Med, RD.

"There is not enough evidence to use the ORAC scale as a tool for weight loss, because even if a food has a high ORAC value, it may not increase the antioxidant levels or be used by the body to fight free radicals," says Sandon, assistant professor of clinical nutrition at University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.

Sandon views The O2 Diet as a gimmicky way to package a nutrient-dense, low-calorie diet that is built mainly on sound nutritional concepts. Still, she does see some dietary shortcomings.

"The plan is super-nutritious and will meet the [government's] Dietary Guidelines for fruits and vegetables, but it comes up short on dairy, calcium, whole grains, protein, and calories unless you are a sedentary woman," she says

Am I done? Not even close but I want to give you the chance to respond.

 

[Keithincda]

Well Jericho, I hesitate to step off the curb and engage with you in discussion being as you have called me a fraud, even after I offered to give you the names of the 2 physicians who supervised the study, either of which would be more than happy to take my phone call and have a 3 way discussion with you, that offer still stands.
Additionally it has been documented quite extensively in this clinical trial that all 50 subjects consumed a high antioxidant diet combined with food logs, exercise, sleep and a support system that helped lead us to our success ( I am sorry 1560 lbs is not enough success for you). Please note I also offered you the link to the website showing all 50 people and the results.
It seems I made the mistake of assuming your website was to share information with folks seeking weight loss information so that they could make their own decisions based on what they felt would work for them with their own situations taken into consideration.
Not once, other than stressing the importance or antioxidants, have I tried to promote or sell any specific product but if worked for 50 people in a clinical trial, I would hope for the opportunity to share given a full understanding of the acceptance of this website to do so. Again, I appear to have been mistaken.
In addition to the antioxidants in the product it has 21 grams of protein (whey protein isolate), 8 grams of fiber, 8 grams of complex carbs, less than half a gram of sugar, 20 amino acids. Low glycemic, gluten free, lactose free, a natural omega 3 source and only 190 calories per serving. It is an excellent source of nutrition (including much need antioxidants) to aid in weightloss, combine with the very important other parts of any weightloss plan are followed (again...exercise, sleep, food choices, food log, support etc...).
There are always two sides to any discussion, You cite studies which I can but won't at this time, rather I have just finished 12 weekly discussions with 2 medical professionals, one of which is a leading bariatric specialists who has extensive experience with numerous weightloss plans and has also written many protocols for many physicians to become board certified bariatric specialists.
Additionally I actively participated in the clinical trial following the protocol religiously and lost 50 lbs doing so. Good enough for me.
Good luck with your website and the remainder of your own weight loss goals.

 

[Korrie]

Clinical studies arn't the final word on these pills that are trying to be pushed on us. I took a pharm class recently and I"m shocked at how a pill company does a few trials and throws these meds on the market, just to find out the terrible side effects and pull them later. As long as they make their money before that point, they're happy.

 

[Jericho]

Well Jericho, I hesitate to step off the curb and engage with you in discussion being as you have called me a fraud, even after I offered to give you the names of the 2 physicians who supervised the study, either of which would be more than happy to take my phone call and have a 3 way discussion with you, that offer still stands.

Why can't you show all of the information here? See, funny that I went to your site you have and the main thing there is a push for people to make money selling this stuff. THAT is why I call you a fraud. You want to post info, post it right here. Give the names here so we can research them.

Additionally it has been documented quite extensively in this clinical trial that all 50 subjects consumed a high antioxidant diet combined with food logs, exercise, sleep and a support system that helped lead us to our success ( I am sorry 1560 lbs is not enough success for you). Please note I also offered you the link to the website showing all 50 people and the results.

Sorry, but antioxidants had nothing to do with your weight loss. Eating around 1500 calories a day along with exercise did that..and you can do that for free. You want to show me the site, by all means, PM it to me. You won't get an infraction for it. I'm asking you to sent it direct to me.

It seems I made the mistake of assuming your website was to share information with folks seeking weight loss information so that they could make their own decisions based on what they felt would work for them with their own situations taken into consideration.

Weight loss information? Yes. Trying to prepare to direct people to a site to buy products? No. See all that info and links I posted in reply to you is INFORMATION. All you are giving is hype. Give science. Give facts. Give proof.

Not once, other than stressing the importance or antioxidants, have I tried to promote or sell any specific product but if worked for 50 people in a clinical trial, I would hope for the opportunity to share given a full understanding of the acceptance of this website to do so. Again, I appear to have been mistaken.

And I countered your Antioxidants claim about it being connected in any way, shape or form to weight loss..which you still have not addressed.

In addition to the antioxidants in the product it has 21 grams of protein (whey protein isolate), 8 grams of fiber, 8 grams of complex carbs, less than half a gram of sugar, 20 amino acids. Low glycemic, gluten free, lactose free, a natural omega 3 source and only 190 calories per serving. It is an excellent source of nutrition (including much need antioxidants) to aid in weightloss,

Yes. It's a diet shake. There are tons of those on the market. You know what else works? Real food. Also, there isn't a 'NEED' for antioxidants..which I stated. You don't need added antioxidants. You need to eat a balanced diet and that gives you all you need. Once again, this hype about antioxidants is advertising for selling products and supplements.

combine with the very important other parts of any weightloss plan are followed (again...exercise, sleep, food choices, food log, support etc...)

So, your weight loss plan is exercise, knowledge, sleep, support, food log, and calorie control.

Congrates..that's the foundation of weight loss but you can do all that for FREE instead of your site and your 'study' you are about to push.

There are always two sides to any discussion, You cite studies which I can but won't at this time, rather I have just finished 12 weekly discussions with 2 medical professionals, one of which is a leading bariatric specialists who has extensive experience with numerous weightloss plans and has also written many protocols for many physicians to become board certified bariatric specialists.

So...you aren't going to bother countering the science with your claims?

Additionally I actively participated in the clinical trial following the protocol religiously and lost 50 lbs doing so. Good enough for me.
Good luck with your website and the remainder of your own weight loss goals.

You really think the term 'clinical trial' means anything now and days? Tell you what..show me the publication of this trial in a major medical journal. I do find it interesting that one of the 'clinical trial' subjects is now pushing it as a way for people to get rich.

 

[allcdnboy1]

All clinical trials I've heard of, you are forced to sign an NDA, so it sounds a bit like a scam. Who are the doctors?