Hello, new chick joining who needs some advice

Hello,

I started working out when I was 20 (am now 26). Before then I was pretty chubby and had atrocious eating habits and lived a sedentary lifestyle. When I turned 20 I joined a gym and started running like crazy and immediately got addicted. I'd gradually improved my endurance over a few months and ran almost an hour every other day and I also did weight training via dumb bells and machines. I also made a few minor adjustments to my diet (no butter, no mayo, no soda, no white bread, etc) that enabled me to lose 15 pounds. I was thrilled but not satisfied. I looked smaller but not fit. Meaning that I had flab still even though I had lost inches. So I tried the Body for Life diet and went to the gym 6 days a week and burned myself out and didnt see much of a difference in my body fat%. I had hit a plateau.

Then when I was 24, I went to another gym and got a personal trainer. and I worked out with him 4 days a week (30 minute sessions) and did cardio for 6 days a week(30-45 minutes). I went on a very clean diet (egg whites, oatmeal, grilled chicken, carrots, salad w/balsamic vinegar and lemon, salmon tilapia,clean shakes, water and a lot of supplements) and I dropped about another 15-20 pounds. I was thrilled...but I still was not seeing much tone developing in my arms, legs or stomach. I was shrinking but not developing any definition. I was eating so much chicken that I almost grew feathers but my body refused to change. People have told me that if you do not see a change within a month, to change things up. Others have told me that changes take time and to stick with it. I am beyond frustrated.

I've eaten clean, I've shaken up my diet as well as my workouts, I've worked with a trainer as well as with myself, done long cardio, short cardio, heavy weights, lighter weights, different types of cardio and etc. But nothing happens in the definition department. I am a little disheartened because this is something I've wanted for a very long time. To be overweight all your life and then to lose weight is quite empowering. But I want more. I want to feel stronger (another issue, I have no strength!) and more defined. I would like the hard work I do to reflect in my body. Unless you know me as being overweight before, you would not look at me and think I work out all the time. This plateau has been going on too long. Any advice would be appreciated.
 
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Thank you all for the welcome. My name is a Clerks the Cartoon reference so it's pretty obscure unless you're a geek like myself. Here are my photos, not the best quality but the best I could do with time constraints and relatives that dont know how to operate cameras.

For the past 3-4 months I haven't been working out much besides running and I eat twice a day. Far cry from my usual routine but I've only gained 5 lbs, (I'm now at 148, height is 5'5) and my body doesn't look that much different than it did when I ate clean, 5 meals a day and worked out 6 days a week. We lost our house in the foreclosure boom and had to move up north so I've been under a lot of stress which usually has me eating less and usually more carbs.

Any help, questions, or comments would so be appreciated. I intend on working out hard and eating clean as I used to but before I do, I just wanted to get some advice so I do not hit the same plateau. I can drop weight, just can't seem to get toned to save my life. Thank you all.
 

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Introducing one of the most powerful tools one can use on the goal path:

I support and advocate tracking calories and macro-nutrients--"dependent upon the individual person" which would include their current diet and fitness knowledge, and the individual's level of "personal science".

What is ones "Personal Science"?

It is the LEVEL of personal implentation of diet and fitness into ones way of life that solicates a lifestyle change that applies "enough of the person" to achieve the goal they desire. This includes making difficult decisions and easy applied decisions.

Tracking has a POWERFUL PLACE within ones personal goal quest, IMO.

One can "manipulate past data in the present" based on ready available data and will be able to:

Manipulating the Diet (by having tangible data to work from)

and

Manipulating Fitness Training (by having tangible data to work from)


Which equals (=) KING of personal SUPPLEMENTS.

and allows for "potentially" accurate:

Deficit Diet (calorie manipulations) + (nutrient manipulations) + (exercise change/manipulations) = dealing effectively with tissue loss/gain complications.

Personal history data, IMO, can assist with OPTIMIZiING results, and can arm one with a MIGHTY tool to make adjustments when or if:

A Plateau Develops.

Then this can:

Build a "personal knowledge base" to support ones goal and CAN reduce the potential of failure if applied correctly specific to the person.


Additionally, it can bring in powerful tools that can be used when one tracks their diet and training correctly, and bring forth the power it possesses to:

1. Combat cravings
2. Be allowed to eat more (at intervals) and keep deficits
3. Assist to prevent plateaus, and to pinpoint when plateaus begin and have tools to work with to find a solution within the diet and fitness data.

To name a few.

Manipulating calories Vs. fitness training data can be a powerful tool IF one knows how to use it.

It also can ASSIST in preventing:

I dont know what is happening! I am not losing weight or gaining weight!

or

" THE I DONT KNOW PROBLEM (because of no history of bodily adaption), so I dont know what to do"

Through ARMING YOURSELF WITH THE TOOLS TO COMBAT THIS.

In addition:

When you add in an a HUNGRY HEART for education IN DIET and in WEIGHT TRAINING........then you can USE this education to CHANGE the diet and/or training to break the plateau with USING YOUR HISTORY



Breif Synopis
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Take a ride on a "Hungry Heart"

Lay it Down...BABY!.........

Do not carry a BACKPACK..of negatives on your BACK........>eliminate it through a "Hungry Heart!"

Come on! Brotha and Sista's............have a "Hungry Heart!"

Let it "shiver your spine" with motivation and love for yourself and what you are doing!........YES!

----------------------------------------------->It will not desert you and never fail you.

Oh, yes!........all forum Brotha and Sista's, it doesnt matter what people say:

Everybody........has a "Hungry Heart!"..........Everybody's got a "Hungry Heart!"

If you take a ride on a "Hungry Heart" you will never look back you will always attack.

From my heart to yours, I wish all of you success. I wish all of you to EARN your dreams...........and make a "Hungry Heart" your home

Let this feelen' wrap you DEEP inside and send you reelen'


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Within the Nutrition 101 thread you will find some valueable information. Or you can use the ready made input web page in the 3rd link.

What you to do is to post your Maintenance Line of calories and list the multiplier you used to configure your approximated Maintenance Line.

Go here and read on some basic and fundamental information:

Weight Training 101

Nutrition 101

Delaware Consumer Health Information Services (Originally Posted by Wrangell)


Weight Training Technical Articles
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Some Info on the ab core:

Abdominal Training


How to get abs guide

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Go here for some thoughts on the mental side:

Weight Loss Intricate


The ChillOut Log by Chillen
(allot of pages to go through, but there IS good information that may help you if you take the time to seek it)
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All of the links, plus additional links (Not Listed here) that you may be interested in are in this link below:

http://training.fitness.com/new-member-intro/where-begin-all-info-links-18741.html

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Change your eating habits (below are some suggestion examples)

Some you are currently already doing, but this will provide additional info, hopefully, to assist you.

The 3 Nutrients (Carbs, Good Fats, and Protein) are an essential factor in the diet; however, the Law of Energy Balance within the DIET, is the ultimate KING while the Nutrients can play in some key decisions made within the body.


○ Try eating 5 to 6 smaller meals during the day

○ Balance your meals out during the day so in one day you have a mix of Protein, Carbohydrate and good Fats

○ Drink lots of water during the day and before, during and after exercise

Simple Carb Examples: (Various fruit) Grapefruit, Watermelon, Cantaloupe, Strawberries, Oranges, Apples, Pineapple, etc

Complex Carb Examples: Whole Wheat Pita Bread, Oatmeal, Long Grain Brown Rice, Brown Pasta, Malto-Meal (Plain, whole wheat),etc

Good Protein Examples: White or Dark Tuna, Chicken Breast, Lean Turkey, Lean Ham, Very lean Beef, Quality Whey Protein Powder, etc

Good Fats Examples: Natural Peanut Butter, Various Nuts, Flax Seed, Fish Oils.

Dietary Fiber: Whole Grains (Bran), Some fruits (like Apples), and vegetables, nuts and seeds

Dietary Fiber

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Some Good "base" cereals to "Chill" the mouth with once in a while ;)



1. Steel Cut Oats, Old Fashioned Cut Oats, and Regular Cut Oats (quick cook type), in large containers.

2. Various types of Go Lean Kashi cereals.

3. Fiber-One. (60 calories per 1/2 Cup, and source of fiber)

4. Grape Nuts

GRAPE-NUTS:

Ingredients: WHOLE GRAIN WHEAT FLOUR, WHEAT FLOUR, MALTED BARLEY FLOUR, SALT, DRIED YEAST, SOY LECITHIN. VITAMINS AND MINERALS: REDUCED IRON, NIACINAMIDE, ZINC OXIDE (SOURCE OF ZINC), VITAMIN B6, VITAMIN A PALMITATE, RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), THIAMIN MONONITRATE (VITAMIN B1), FOLIC ACID, VITAMIN B12, VITAMIN D.

Its devoid of any "added in" sugars, and from what I have read on Lecithin, this is used in many bread products for various reasons, and isnt a bad ingredient.

5. Shredded Wheat and Shredded Wheat and Bran: (NOT SUGAR TOPPED)

POST SHREDDED WHEAT ORIGINAL SPOON SIZE

Ingredients: WHOLE GRAIN WHEAT

TO PRESERVE THE NATURAL WHEAT FLAVOR, BHT IS ADDED TO THE PACKAGING MATERIAL--If you dont like perservatives, dont select this one
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Post Shredded Wheat and Bran

Ingredients: WHOLE GRAIN WHEAT AND WHEAT BRAN.

TO PRESERVE THE NATURAL WHEAT FLAVOR, BHT IS ADDED TO THE PACKAGING MATERIAL. If you dont like perservatives, dont select this one

Both are devoid of any "added in" sugars.


Alpen No Sugar Added Cereal

Serving size: 2/3 cup servings per container:7

calories:200
total fat:3g
sodium:30mg
potassium: 250mg
total carbohydrate:40g
sugars:7g (mostly from raisins)
protein:7g

Ingredients: rolled oats, whole wheat, raisins, pearled barley, roasted hazelnuts, skim milk powder, whey powder, sliced almonds, malt extract. 14 ounce box



Alpen No Sugar Added Cereal

This naturally delicious swiss style cereal has no added sugar or salt and is very low fat. A combination of oats, wheat, barley with raisins and roasted hazelnuts and almonds makes this a healthy alternative for your morning meal.


Alpen No Sugar Added Cereal

Serving size: 2/3 cup servings per container:7

calories:200
total fat:3g
sodium:30mg
potassium: 250mg
total carbohydrate:40g
sugars:7g
protein:7g

Ingredients: rolled oats, whole wheat, raisins, pearled barley, roasted hazelnuts, skim milk powder, whey powder, sliced almonds, malt extract. 14 ounce box
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YOU are the one that makes it happen:


You are the person who has to decide. Whether you'll do it or toss it aside; you are the person who makes up your mind. Whether you'll lead or will linger behind. Whether you'll try for the goal that's afar. Or just be contented to stay where you are.

Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday.

(Unknown)




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Starting a personal Journal:

You may want to consider creating a journal in the journal section of the forum. This way you can ask additional questions, post your diet and training, keep a log of thoughts, etc.

A lot of persons view these logs, and it could assist you, possibly, in allot of ways!


ROCK ON! :)

PEACE AND HAPPINESS TO ALL!

ROCK ON EVERYONE!

BE HAPPY and spead love to all!

Best wishes in all that you do in life and within fitness,

Chillen
 
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Would I be negative if I say you look fine?

Just keep doing what you're doing and you'll be fine. You've made wonderful progress and you look fantastic. Keep up the good work.

As for strength, do some weight lifting or body weight lifting. What are your current lifting like?
 
Thanks Chillen for that great post. I usually don't count calories. When I was on my strict diet, I just weighed everything. 5 ounce chicken, 3 ounces of sweet potato, cup of vegetables, etc. I will look into the info you gave me, thank you.
 
This might be your problem. Eat more and you'll start seeing the difference.

Thanks for the comment Dallen about my pics. It's just that it's not what i want with all the weights I used to lift. The weight amount I lifted depending on what muscle I was working on. Biceps, I could only lift 20 pound dumb bells for a good 2-3 reps without tiring out completely. My triceps and shoulders were not much different. I had a bit more power in my lower body and back muscles as most broads do. But it just seemed that my strength never progressed. I'd lift heavy and light and switch it up. My trainer thought my diet depleted my energy some but I'm not sure. I'd take creatine and red test pills and pre-workout energy boosters but nothing changed really.

And about eating, I used to eat 5 clean meals a day and worked out 6 days a week for about a year and nothing progressed beyond the photos you saw. So nothing really has worked for me in the toning department.
 
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Thanks Chillen for that great post. I usually don't count calories. When I was on my strict diet, I just weighed everything. 5 ounce chicken, 3 ounces of sweet potato, cup of vegetables, etc. I will look into the info you gave me, thank you.

You are very welcome.

Welcome to the board. We are here to assist all we can.

I wish you the best of luck with all of your goal dreams.

You keep a hungry heart, and it will never let you down.

Much happiness to you.


ROCK ON!


Chillen
 
Hi there and welcome to the board! I'm pretty new here too, but everyone is really nice so far...

Don't give up! I would keep doing what you're doing, esp with your clean diet!
What works for me? Pushing the weights hard, heavy weights! The clean eating
and cardio should take care of the rest. It takes time, sometimes more than others!
Keep an eye on your sodium intake too, you could be carrying water.
 
Hi there and welcome to the board! I'm pretty new here too, but everyone is really nice so far...

Don't give up! I would keep doing what you're doing, esp with your clean diet!
What works for me? Pushing the weights hard, heavy weights! The clean eating
and cardio should take care of the rest. It takes time, sometimes more than others!
Keep an eye on your sodium intake too, you could be carrying water.

Hey Sarah!

You're right, everyone has been really nice. I'm impressed at everyone's generosity to give advice as well. Thank you. I've tried so many things and heard so many things from people. I just know that everybody's body is different so what may work for someone else may not work for me. But I do like your idea of lifting heavy weights. I usually did but would mix it up with light just so my muscles wouldnt adapt. But I need all the help I can get to develop strength because I dont have it. And in my diet, i drank nothing but water and didn't add salt to anything so my sodium intake was pretty much nonexistent. I just hope to break the plateau soon. But thank you for your advice about the heavy weights. You got a slamming body by the way.
 
Maybe you were changing it too often and not getting adaptation to your movement patterns. Just a thought.

Well, I usually stuck with a specfic pattern for about a month and it worked for a while. When I wasn't getting any stronger or toning up, my trainer decided it would be best to spice things up. We'd do legs and biceps one day, tris and back another. He also incorporated some cardio in my weight training, so I'd do bi curls for example and then 20 jumping jacks, back to curls. We developed and stuck to regimens for a while but to no avail. It also got to the point where my body fat % refused to go down any further even with the clean diet and hard core workouts. It really broke my spirit somewhat to be eating so well, working out so hard and having my body refuse to peel down. Thanks for your comment though.
 
Did you always to split programs and what rep ranges did he have you in. Maybe a complete turnaround into FBW's would be benificial.
 
Did you always to split programs and what rep ranges did he have you in. Maybe a complete turnaround into FBW's would be benificial.

At first we would have an arms day, shoulder day, back day, and legs day. Every session would end with 2 ab workouts.

We worked out for half an hour so he'd have me doing about 4-5 routines with everything being paired up. So i'd do 12-15 bicep curls for example and then not rest and do 12-15 tricep push ups. We'd do the cycle 3-4 times depending. And then we'd start a new cycle of working out two different muscles. We'd do this until my session was over. Arm weights was usually 15-20 lbs at the most. Not that strong. But after a while when I stopped losing weight, still has not developed any tone and was not getting any stronger, we changed it up as I described in my previous post.

FBW, so you think I should focus more on push-ups and such then using machines and dumb bells?
 
FBW = full body training. It honestly sounds like he was being lazy sorry. It is easy to have someone do a couple of exercises and while they are resting think of a couple more to throw at you off the top of the trainers head.

I think you should think about doing a fullbody workout with compounds included. Thats just my opinion.
 
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