Harsh truth - The psychology of dieting

clarcombe

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Hi,

This post is mainly addressed to Leigh P as the person who posts most but I am interested in other opinions if people would care to voice them

I am in the process of writing a weight loss program that deals with the psychological blocks of losing weight as well as the actual dietary steps required.

Having read through some of the posts, I am curious to note that this aspect is never dealt with apart from the 'you can do it' style of motivation.

I was wondering if you have come across any other type of programs that deal with this ?

Additionally, what, in your opinion(s) is the toughest challenge when wanting to lose weight.

Thanks in advance for your honest opinions.
 
First off good luck with your writings.

I personally think that the biggest challenge anyone faces no matter what their body goals are will power and motivation. If you don't have specific goals, clear focus and the will to achieve what you are going after then the rest is a bust because it won't work without those things. With my clients I deal more with food strategy and getting over the common frustrations of their goals more than squat form. I have to sometimes take peoples scales away from their homes, layout exact meal plans, answer 9' o clock phones calls from people in desperation trying not to break. My clients get goal cards, timelines, articles, other peoples life experiences, encouragement, anything I can offer to let them know they aren't in it alone. Of course it is all very psychologicall.

So why don't I get into that here? Because if I gave every person who asked a question every single thing i knew about training and specifically directed towards them then each post would be a novel. The best thing I can do when dealing with people who I am not actually training but giving advice is the facts that wont get them hurt, wont damage their body, and the proper tools to achieve. If they follow those aspects and stop trying to go about things the wrong way in a dietary and physiological sense then they will be LESS frustrated, their will be less anxiety. Most of my clients come to me so stressed out and frustrated and un-trusting from trying everything the wrong way. I do my homework,read so many studies, and apply in person what I can so at the end of the day I am the best trainer I can be. Everyday I am a better trainer that the day before, because everyday I learn something new. So do the rest of the Pro's here.

I teach people how to still have a life while getting a healthy body. No one wants to live off of 1200 for the rest of their life, fearing every bit of food that comes into their mouth. THIS is what leads to eating disorders, wrong information and lack of feeling in control. I give people back that control, I try to help give people back their lives. Our programs, my programs are for life, they are for common sense, they are for science. I try to do the best I can to get the NEED to know physical information out there because that is where usually it all starts to go bad. I do the best I can in the shortest amount of time possible with base information. It is general information but there is only so much time in my day and in the others day. We do the best we can.
 
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Psychology and Weight Loss

Leigh,

Thanks for your very pertinent comments. I will be the first to admit that I DONT deal with the people on a day to day basis so I cannot know what they experience.

What you say is very interesting. You indicate that it seems to be a lack of education and a rigid plan that is the principle cause of failure. Would you agree ?

"I have to sometimes take peoples scales away from their homes, layout exact meal plans, answer 9' o clock phones calls from people in desperation trying not to break. My clients get goal cards, timelines, articles, other peoples life experiences, encouragement, anything I can offer to let them know they aren't in it alone."

Do you believe that it is not possible to diet alone?

Am I naive to believe that I can write something and expect that people will read it and try it or must there be some personal contact?

Thanks in advance

Colin

PS Anyone reading this who is having difficulties dieting, I would also welcome their comments about the challenges that they face.
 
What you say is very interesting. You indicate that it seems to be a lack of education and a rigid plan that is the principle cause of failure. Would you agree ?
I would 100% agree Colin. Let's take an example...

Cindy is 35, 5'4, 180lbs and 31% body fat. She went to an online community and was told she should be taking in 1200 calories a day and doing cardio 5 days a week at 45-60 mins. And light resistance training 3 days a week for 45 mins. Cindy is a tough girl and usually achieves what she puts her mind to, so she has decided to stick with and follow this plan.

Now Cindy thinks that in order to lose that weight she will have to devote at the least 360 mins a week or 6 hours to exercising alone. On top of that she is only going to be eating 1200 calories to get energy for all that activity. What is her estimated caloric needs for maintenance in this situation. Well given her BMR of roughly 1574 x 1.5 for that activity level we reach 2361. That is as well if her job she has is a desk job, if it is higher in physical demand than that this number could easily rise. With that number she is in a deficit each day of roughly 1161 calories. Now sure for a while she will lose some WEIGHT quickly, some may be fat, some may be water, some may be muscle. It is a toss up really. But after a while of working that hard even if will power isn't an issue she will plateau. So she goes to ask advice and what does she get, "bump up the cardio, make it longer and more intense".

So now our hero Cindy is down to 162 and working out 400 mins a week still at 1200 calories a day. Cindy is going to break down soon, she will start to cheat more here and there, her body will be more prone to injury, basically she is setting herself up for "failure". So she has dropped down to 156 but has been stuck there now for 4 weeks. Her body fat % has changed from 31% to 28%. So she has lost some fat but she has bags under her eyes, her hair is starting to thin out and overall she feels tired and fatigued constantly. She figures that 156 is good enough for her and calls it a day because she can't possibly workout anymore than she is, she has kids, she has a job and she doesn't get to see her friends anymore. So of course Cindy goes back slowly to her natural eating habits, gains back 4-5 pounds very quickly because her BMR had dropped so low during the course of her dieting. She feels like a failure, is disappointed in her lack of "will power" and a year from now will most likely be standing in line at a Weight Watchers meeting.

Now had in the beginning she been told the right methods of fat loss none of that would have occurred. Had she had the proper education all that time and energy wouldn't have been wasted.

Do you believe that it is not possible to diet alone?
I think it is extremly possible to diet alone. Some people want someone like me in their life to help guide them. NO ONE NEEDS IT. Self education is key to anyones success. If you have the right education and will power there is nothing you can't do own your on. No one NEEDS a personal trainer. We are here merely to help educate and guide you through the process the best we can. Some people don't have time or desire to do that, they would rather have you do it for them, that is when we usually come in or they have been given so much information that just need someone who will give the right information.

Am I naive to believe that I can write something and expect that people will read it and try it or must there be some personal contact?
No not at all. You don't HAVE to have personal contact, but you do have to have human interaction. These message boards alone are chalk full with every kind of case and person you could ask for. If all my experience was just working with people in person I don't think I would be where I am now. The internet gives you a huge barrel to sift through and to understand causes, reactions, what works, what doesn't and who needs what. Research yes, personal contact no.
 
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The case study you give is very interesting. This is a type of person that I believed hardly existed. My "profile" of the person I was aiming at was someone (probably female) with little motivation, little time and possibly in a family. The person you described seems motivated but uneducated.
Which is the sort of case you see most ?

My plan was to teach them a technique that I have successfully used in combatting various mental issues that I have had, but introducing a new "dietary habit" each week along with a new thought process to work on their issues. Probably lasting for about 20 weeks or so

My belief is that people nowadays have neither the time,motivation or staying power to stick to a diet and I wanted to attack the motivation and guilt issues at the same time as the dietary ones BUT without putting the emphasis on a specific diet e.g. F Plan, Atkins etc as I am not a firm believer that diets can change habits.

Whilst I fully believe in the methodology I am applying I am unsure whether the market is ready for this sort of approach. All of the ads that I see are for tea, pills or short term loss which we both know are probably doomed for failure. I don't really want to be in the same boat as them.

I guess the issues I am facing are mainly marketing ones and probably not content ones.

I would be interested in your views on the above.
 
The case study you give is very interesting. This is a type of person that I believed hardly existed. My "profile" of the person I was aiming at was someone (probably female) with little motivation, little time and possibly in a family. The person you described seems motivated but uneducated.
Which is the sort of case you see most ?

I believe these are the people who do exist. You can see it in the intros of so many newcomers to weight loss boards and even the people at the gym. So many people dont KNOW what to do, that they do the wrong things. Everyone is excited and motivated at first, assuming the results they are gonna see are going to happen easily and quickly.

Many people stick with the plans of popularity, or in the magazines. Soon they realize, these things just dont work. Sure there are other people out there who have no motivation, but thats usually because they are afraid to fail. Noone likes to begin something if they dont think they can accomplish the goal. Many people blame time or having a family on whats happened, and sure sometimes its true. However, it also has to do with where you place Health on your priority list.

Mine looks like this: Family, Health, Education, My Business, Money, My Job

I do this because my health plays a role in all the others. I wanna be as healthy as possible to enjoy the time I have with my son (and future children). Money comes later, because sure its important, but not that much. My business is up there because two employees are my father and brother, and that goes with family.

My plan was to teach them a technique that I have successfully used in combatting various mental issues that I have had, but introducing a new "dietary habit" each week along with a new thought process to work on their issues. Probably lasting for about 20 weeks or so

Stick with this, you have a great idea.

My belief is that people nowadays have neither the time,motivation or staying power to stick to a diet and I wanted to attack the motivation and guilt issues at the same time as the dietary ones BUT without putting the emphasis on a specific diet

Its because they were never given the proper tools to succeed.
 
I am interested in helping with your project, Clarcombe. I am about to graduate (at the end of this month) with a BS in Business Admin and my focus in classes has been on Psychology and Marketing. I agree completely that the mental/emotional aspect of losing weight is the most important, and that education is vital for the motivation to succeed. I have also been looking at the "fear of success" aspect of weight loss for awhile now, and believe I could contribute a lot of beneficial editing, proofreading, and "point of view" to your book, if you are interested.
Please contact me via private message, or just mail my MSN address (it's part of my profile here) if you would like to discuss some details.
Thanks! ~QJ
 
Interesting topic that i think i may have raised before actually. A lot of the problem is the mind games that we play when overweight. A lot of people are looking to other people to do it for them somehow, to motivate them or make them do it.

I think in some respect thats why we have nations of people watching 'the biggest loser' etc going 'i wish i had that chance or could loose weight' believenig the only way to loose weight is when somebody yells and screams at you and makes you do it (perhaps somewhat like a parent?).

I mean most people KNOW the basics of eating healthy - how can they not when its plastered on tvs, books, and all those diet books you bought when motivated that got relegated to the shelves within a week or two.
There is some confusion i admit with some foods (pet hate: muesli bars are majority of the time NOT healthy), and advertising. but all in all most people realize those adverts are garbage on tv, but something inside themselves is longing for an easy way out rather than having to confront whatever it is thats not allowing them to get off their rear end and do something. Procrastinating if you will :)

Anyway enough of my speel for now - dinner is ready :)
 
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