Gut growing but abs more visible?!

Three questions:

1)Is it normal to see more ab definition when you're bulking even though there is more fat on your gut?

2)Is it to be expected that your waist size will go up when bulking?

3)How do you guys deal mentally with the increased fat?

I've been bulking for about 5 months. I've put on about 18 lbs of which I'm estimating 15lbs is muscle. My clothes are fitting tighter especially pants - tighter in the legs, rear and waist(from 31 to 32 now). I'm reasonably happy with the results so far except for waist and gut, but the funny thing is I see more ab definition than before. At the same time, my girlfriend has been noticing my belly getting bigger which bums me out. The rest of my body is still really lean though and I think there are a lot more gains to be had. Would like to here what others have experienced.
 
Three questions:

1)Is it normal to see more ab definition when you're bulking even though there is more fat on your gut?

2)Is it to be expected that your waist size will go up when bulking?

3)How do you guys deal mentally with the increased fat?

I've been bulking for about 5 months. I've put on about 18 lbs of which I'm estimating 15lbs is muscle. My clothes are fitting tighter especially pants - tighter in the legs, rear and waist(from 31 to 32 now). I'm reasonably happy with the results so far except for waist and gut, but the funny thing is I see more ab definition than before. At the same time, my girlfriend has been noticing my belly getting bigger which bums me out. The rest of my body is still really lean though and I think there are a lot more gains to be had. Would like to here what others have experienced.

1) As Phate said, it sounds like you are probably just puttting some muscle on there? I am kind of in the same boat, I have definitely gained some fat during my bulk, but there is still about the same amount of definition in my abs...just makes me excited to see how things pan out once I cut away the flab gained.

2) It would make sense that you might go up a size. I mean, gaining some fat is inevitable, so you are going to put some on the midsection. I know thats where it piles up the quickest for me. I am still wearing my 34s, but they are definitely tighter...:D

3) It took me awhile to even start bulking because of this insecurity. I have always been a little chunky in the face and stomach through HS and most of college, so once I educated myself and burned off 30 pounds of fat, I didn't want to go back there. Now I am 9 weeks into my bulk, feeling great, stronger, and sure, a little fatter. :D How do I deal with it? Well, the fact that it's just a means to an end makes me feel better. The fact that I am putting on muscle, which I can hopefully keep around for a long time gives me drive. The fact that I can easily burn away this fat when it's time makes me not so worried. It's just a temporary guest...

So yeah, keep up the hard work, and tell your girl that it will be worth it in the end! Merry Christmas to ya pal! :biggrinsanta:
 
Sounds like you put some muscle in your abs.

Yeah that's what it is, i'm just surprised to see it under the fat. The funny thing is don't even put much effort into the abs and they are only a secondary goal for me.

1)...just makes me excited to see how things pan out once I cut away the flab gained.

2) It would make sense that you might go up a size. I mean, gaining some fat is inevitable...

3) It took me awhile to even start bulking because of this insecurity. I have always been a little chunky in the face and stomach through HS and most of college, so once I educated myself and burned off 30 pounds of fat, I didn't want to go back there. Now I am 9 weeks into my bulk, feeling great, stronger, and sure, a little fatter. :D How do I deal with it? Well, the fact that it's just a means to an end makes me feel better. The fact that I am putting on muscle, which I can hopefully keep around for a long time gives me drive. The fact that I can easily burn away this fat when it's time makes me not so worried. It's just a temporary guest...

So yeah, keep up the hard work, and tell your girl that it will be worth it in the end! Merry Christmas to ya pal! :biggrinsanta:

Hey Mmw, all great advice, I guess i just need to be reminded of this stuff every once in a while cuz i don't wanna go back there either!
 
you're probably putting on fat underneath your muscles (it's pretty norma for guys, but in no sence a rule).
 
Check your posture, more specfically the arches in your back. Go up and stand side on to a mirror, try to relax as much as possible. It's going to be hard to relax because your conscious of what you're looking for but just relax your body so it sits into a natural position. From this position you can check for Kyphosis, forward head, forward shoulders, lordosis, pelvic tilts etc. Check your lower back for lordosis . This is what could be causing your gut to stick out as the lumbar of your spine is pushed in, which is pushing your abdomen forward. I'm not saying this is what you have, it just sounds as such.
 
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Three questions:

1)Is it normal to see more ab definition when you're bulking even though there is more fat on your gut?

It is normal to have "some" ab definition as body fat increases (even above 10%, and factors related to starting point). However, at some point (logically) it will disappear.

2)Is it to be expected that your waist size will go up when bulking?

I think its safe to say that its a rather high probability the pant size will go up on a bulk. How much depends on the diet and training methods and the specific to individual person.

3)How do you guys deal mentally with the increased fat?

Personally, I do not deal with it well. Chillen with mental problems (okay, be quiet, ;) )

I have completed some intense personal programming just to get fat loss down to a personal science (during the 30+ pounds I lost, and then engineering a battle for the last few body fat percents down to 8%).

I just learned what makes me happy at this stage of my life at 46 years old, and it is fair to say, I don't want to engineer the battle for a bulk (I am capable believe me, my desire can set some pretty high standards and self appropriate restrictions, I would be a certified trainers dream),----but its a desire that does not set me on fire.

This isn't a vain statement: I get allot of personal satisfaction knowing I had put a lot of personal effort in what I accomplished, and every time I walk out the front door of my house, there is a high probability I look 50 times better then the next person near my age (and in some cases persons half my age) and in better health.

During a bulk (as you already know) the purpose is to put on some lean muscle mass. Some fat will accumulate and this is rather normal.

During a bulk you are setting up and preparing the framework to allow the leaning down (cutting period) to reveal your hard work of the bulk. You are preparing the "concrete that will set later".

This is the first step in a two step process; though there is a high probability of dealing with some small annoyances and processes within the first (bulk) and second (cut) steps. For some its not necessarily in this order (cut can be first, and bulk afterwards, dependent on the individual).

For some, one of these annoyances or processes are the mental acceptance of fat gain during a bulk. You already know you will gain fat tissue; however, it is still somewhat bothering you.

It's my opinion, a person has to seek out a counter measure for every conceivable weakness and have a plan of action to attack it. Is this feasible? I believe it is for those with a high motivation and desire to achieve. I don’t want to here it isn't practical (blah, blah), make it practical. So much time is given to training and dieting, and not so much time to the "very personal issues that can ruin and spoil it for a person". Expect personal battles and have a plan, and a plan of action for when new ones develop: Have this so engrained in the mind, that the one can react favorably when the need arises.

It always begins with the mind--before outward action can happen. The mind in fitness is grossly underestimated to the performance of a personal goal. The mind and body can "destroy" ones goals or make one a "warrior", and for most, its their choice which one happens.

I believe in: Seek and you shall Find. But, its more than applying simple definitions to SEEK and FIND.

In everything I read, I actively participate in "active learning". I seek relevant and irrelevant topics to my problem (or mental problem with diet and training) and spin off "active thought". I take the topic (or topics) and actively seek if there are variations and additions to the topic (or topics) that I can add (or modify) and molded it to me personally and assist my situation.

Take my post in the McDonald's Thread for example, some (its possible) may just see this as another Chillen post (oh, hum), but what they may not see is---what I do to make me tick and move my goal clock forward. Being narrow minded can be a very bad thing. And, one may get much from simple statements. I NEVER have bad motives on the forum.

Here is what I wrote in the event you didn’t see the post:


In this article, there are a few positive and important learning messages that stand out for those that are willing to see it and use it to a personal goal advantage. THIS ARTICLE ROCKS!


----->------>"Oooops", says an average deficit dieter, "I ate a 300c candy bar. OH! I'm still within my calorie restrictions; its all good. I don't have to fall off the deep end and get sad or depressed. I STILL ROCK!"

Reading with Correct Perception + Applying what can be Learned = Personal Goal Advantage

Deliberately and earnestly look for things that can help you on your goal path, PEOPLE! In everything you see! YES LEARN BABY. Learn to master yourself!

It can help in figuring out your "personal puzzle"

Yes.,.......figure this damn thing out, make it work! Live and learn all day everyday!

Are your eyes open? Do you truly see? Earnestly look for knowledge to BEAT DOWN adversity.

:)

Your personal answer is there, Phil. Actively and persistently seek and apply "active learning" coupled with "active thought" and find the one that works for you. Once you apply something that you find that works for you, it will motivate you to look for more, and can build a brick house that will not fall when the wind blows.

This is my advice to you, my friend,

Best regards,

Chillen
 
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Check your posture, more specfically the arches in your back. Go up and stand side on to a mirror, try to relax as much as possible. It's going to be hard to relax because your conscious of what you're looking for but just relax your body so it sits into a natural position. From this position you can check for Kyphosis, forward head, forward shoulders, lordosis, pelvic tilts etc. Check your lower back for lordosis . This is what could be causing your gut to stick out as the lumbar of your spine is pushed in, which is pushing your abdomen forward. I'm not saying this is what you have, it just sounds as such.

Interesting. I had never thought of this. I read the link, and I checked in the mirror. It's possible. I'm going to do some more looking into it and get someone at the gym to take a look. I'll let you know what they say. Anyway, thanks for the input Streamline
 
Three questions:

1)Is it normal to see more ab definition when you're bulking even though there is more fat on your gut?

What sort of ab training are you doing ?

Are you doing ab training in an specific effort to actually add more mass / size to your abs ?

Cause it seems to me , if you have actually added fat to your gut and yet with all that added fat on your gut, it also now seems you have MORE ab definition, that can only come about as a result of having more mass on your abs .......wouldn't it ?

2)Is it to be expected that your waist size will go up when bulking?.

If you measure your waist girth objectively with a tape - increases in tape measurements can only be due fat, more ab muscle or a combo of both - the tape won't lie. :)

If you measure your waist girth subjectively by means of pant size, in addition to modest fat gains, added mass to your legs, glutes over 5 months may cause you to go up in a waist size.

3)How do you guys deal mentally with the increased fat?

Not sure I follow. You're scarfing down a lot of calories while bulking i assume.

And in over 5 months, you've only gained - on average - about 2/3 of a lb. of fat a month....( i.e gained 18 lbs in 5 months - 15 lbs from muscle ..3 lbs from fat ....see below ).

What is it you have to struggle with " mentally " when gaining less than 1 lb of fat a month ...i.e 3 lbs. of fat over 5 months ? Can you elaborate ?

I've been bulking for about 5 months. I've put on about 18 lbs of which I'm estimating 15lbs is muscle.

What did you weigh and what was your bf% when you started ' bulking ' 5 months ago ?

If you have only put only 3 lbs of fat in 5 months at the same time you've added 15 pounds of muscle during that time - isn't it possible that your overall bodyfat% has actually remained relatively unchanged in 5 months ?
 
I just learned what makes me happy at this stage of my life at 46 years old, and it is fair to say, I don't want to engineer the battle for a bulk
Chillen

Thanks for the input Chillen. I'm still a few years younger than you though gramps ;)

What sort of ab training are you doing ?

Are you doing ab training in an specific effort to actually add more mass / size to your abs ?

Cause it seems to me , if you have actually added fat to your gut and yet with all that added fat on your gut, it also now seems you have MORE ab definition, that can only come about as a result of having more mass on your abs .......wouldn't it ?

I do 3 x 12 of abs at the end of each lifting session(swiss ball crunches, reverse crunches, russian twists) So I'm sure I have added mass.


If you measure your waist girth objectively with a tape - increases in tape measurements can only be due fat, more ab muscle or a combo of both - the tape won't lie. :)

If you measure your waist girth subjectively by means of pant size, in addition to modest fat gains, added mass to your legs, glutes over 5 months may cause you to go up in a waist size.

I just measure by pants - and they are tighter in all areas. Someone just asked me today if wearing tight pants was my 'style' :D



Not sure I follow. You're scarfing down a lot of calories while bulking i assume.

And in over 5 months, you've only gained - on average - about 2/3 of a lb. of fat a month....( i.e gained 18 lbs in 5 months - 15 lbs from muscle ..3 lbs from fat ....see below ).

What is it you have to struggle with " mentally " when gaining less than 1 lb of fat a month ...i.e 3 lbs. of fat over 5 months ? Can you elaborate ?


What did you weigh and what was your bf% when you started ' bulking ' 5 months ago ?

If you have only put only 3 lbs of fat in 5 months at the same time you've added 15 pounds of muscle during that time - isn't it possible that your overall bodyfat% has actually remained relatively unchanged in 5 months ?

When I did the last bodyfat measurement a month or so ago my percentage had only gone up like 1% going from 68-69kg to 78kg. I guess it's not bad, it just seems that almost all of the fat gain has hit the belly and it just makes me self-concious.
 
My waist size has increased by an inch i believe, though my gut is bigger, i think thats its mainly the thickness of the ab muscles because when i flex i can see a 4 pack, which wasn't there before when i was lean.
 
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