General hysterical diet-related rambling: From Flab to fab; Part two.

Liquid diets really only come into their own if you plan on living on liquid for the rest of your life...

The best way to lose weight and not gain again is to learn new healthier eating habits so that they are the automatic lifestyle you choose...

If the lifestyle is drinking liquid - then you are not learning any new way of eating... If you stop having the liquid and do not eat in a whole new way than before - then you will gain it all again just the same way that you did in the first place...

The people that get gastric bands - never go back to eating in any other way... That surgery is with them for the rest of their lives - they are still on those tiny portions a decade later... I know (through forums) people who have had them and I know people who have close family members who have had them...

I have to say that learning to choose healthy solid food is a much less intrusive way of building a food plan / lifestyle which is easier to convert to use over the long term.

Plenty of companies will obviously try to steer people towards their products - but these products are totally not necessary.
 
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Jess Phase one of the 30 day shred is on youtube :) I will be starting that this evening, dreading it a bit as my muscles are still hurting me, but no pain, no gain :) I am quite proud of how well I'm doing actually. I can feel the fire and determination inside me. I know this is because its the start of the diet though, I really hope it doesn't go as I get happier with my weight.

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Sunflower Yup, I had a sip of it once, it was DISGUSTING!

Omega Been there, and done that, with the balanced diet. I have lost weight twice, maintained for about 2 years the first time, 2 months the second, before a slow and gradual return to bad eating. I have identified exactally what it is that makes me regain, and that it sugar addiction, laziness, and lack of organisation in regards to food shopping. I agree, that maintainance is a large part of the battle, and that is what I am most worried about...... But I don't think that having a liquid diet and being knowledgable about maintainance and a healthy diet are mutally exclusive. I am intending on eating very low calories for a months and a half, after which I will up my calories to a normal amount (1100-1500 calories), up my exercise (resistance workouts and muscle building) to a more than normal amount. I am not going to starve myself until I am at goal weight, and then expect to eat normally again. I just feel the need to kick start my weight loss.

The NHS says that for obese people, with a BMI of over 30, can follow a VLCD (Very low calorie diet) for a maximum of 16 weeks. It will not ruin your health or anything. I am finding, that eating very little, I am getting full very very quickly, and that is a great feeling. I hate sitting down to a plate that is piled with masses of food, chomping my way through it all, and still being hungry afterwards.

Saying this, trying a superlow calorie diet/meal replacement will be a totally new experience for me. Other than that sip of slimfast^^^^ I had, I have never considered this as an option before, and I have never tried it before. The main reason that I want to try it is because I have 70 pounds to lose. Thats 46 weeks of losing a pound and a half a week. I want to get my diet off to a sky rocketing start. I want to lose the first 30-40 pounds quickly. I KNOW that seeing my meausurements and clothes size shrink, as well as getting compliments from people, will spur me on, and make me stick at it.

My friend Charlotte suggested that I try Exante, which is a meal replacement that has no carbs. It does something to your body, which puts it into Ketosis, which means your body will use fat instead of muscle as an energy source. I looked up the reviews of it, and the top review said they are on groupon at the moment :) So I bought myself a 4 week supply for 67% off :) Charlottes going to do it with me, really excited about it!

I'm having a night out at the end of the month, then going one a one night cruise on the 5th, so I am going to eat as I have been eating up till my next monthly weigh in, and I will start the meal replacement of the 7th.

Food
10 walnuts
Slice of multigrain toast
Can of tomato soup
Chicken shish kebab with large salad
Apple, pear and orange.
 
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I once tried Slimfast - did ok for a while - lost a bit of weight - couldnt keep it up - spent time being miserable - ended the diet...

Within three months I was heavier than at the start...

It was one of many failed diet attempts.

I was big for well over 20 years.
21 stone at 5ft3 is big...

I hope that the groupon deal works for you...

I am just wary of things for people because I know that I had so many failed diets it was silly - and - despite the fact that I am up a bit from a weight that I prefer I am still maintaining a reasonable figure and fitness level compared to many women of my age... I just know what helped me finally lose weight and think that even though maintenance hasnt been perfect it could have gone a lot worse...
 
Omega, you have done BRILLIANTLY with your weight loss :hurray: well done :)

I do understand where you're coming from, I have given the same advice to so many other people... But I just feel like I need a psychological boost, and I feel like this will give me what I need. It probably won't work. I will find out soon, I guess.

You can lose weight in a normal way and still regain it. I know that all too well :(
 
Good luck with it chick but I agree with Omega. Keep us updated! Very excited to see you start to reach your goals xxx
 
13 pounds is awesome!!! gotta admit im a bit jealous ive been told i lose weight pretty fast ("like a man") but your beating me!!!

I agree with Omega also; I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with doing a liquid diet so long as you have the right frame of mind for it. Sole purpose is to drop weight quickly and easily, and when your done, transition into a healthy moderate eating plan and not back into the way you used to eat, even though you will be more tempted to after extreme measures
 
I'll definitely be hoping that it goes well for you.

BTW where in London are you. My husband is from Twickenham. :)
 
aw Ruth i only now saw your message and i cant possibly start ups and downs in the living room as i am nearly off to bed...DID you do your?YES that's the phase one i can never get passed.i think you supposed to do it every day for 10 days then do phase 2 then phase 3.but im not 100% sure that's the way to do it.I'll Google it.
I will start mine tomorrow!!!looking forward to hearing about it!!!YOU ARE GREAT!!!and your loss until now is WOW!!!!hope i can get started like you as well!!!
 
Hiya Slickzchick Ooooh, we are diet twins! Are you tall as well? I am chuffed with the weight loss, but I do think that 4-5 pounds of it is water... As an inch is about 7lbs, and thats what I've lost. So I am taking it with a pinch of salt (although if I was to eat a pinch of salt I would probably put it all back on again lol). I know I will have to watch myself very closely when I up my calories again... Though, to be fair, a ham and cucumber sandwich will probably be like a banquet to me after I am done. Will go and check out your diary...

Omega Oooh really :D I'm in Holloway. Where do you and your Husband live now?

Jess OH MY GOD I AM SO UNFIT!!!!! I mean, seriously... In the past I could have done that workout without breaking a sweat, I was a complete mess though! I didn't finish it! My arms have been adding to the "Aching List". I will keep doing it every day though. I need to get an exercise bra that fits, my boobs were doing the jumping jacks with me lol.

The food fantasies are continuing a bit today. Funnily enough, its not been for sweet stuff for a while.... Actually, until I typed that, I realised I haven't even craved a cup of tea all afternoon and night, but now, I really want one eeeeek. I have been craving pizza today. But I haven't been hungry. I was a bit peckish this evening, but I had a banana and an apple, and it filled me up completely.

I haven't put any new photos of me up on facebook for about a year. There are a few lurking away in albums, but I haven't tagged myself in any of them. And even they are just face shots. I think that that in itself shows the extent of my big fat denial. Maybe instead of pizza, I should try to fantasise about a full body shot of me, looking nice in a beautiful dress instead. I don't know if its in my imagination, but I'm sure my double chin has gone down by a teensy bit.

My girlies are taking me for a suprise birthday treat somewhere tomorrow, I am so excited, I love surprises :D And I don't care if it involves food, I shall eat whatever I desire :) It was my birthday 3 weeks ago, but I was in the midst of my uni deadlines then. So tomorrow, I will really actually be putting on make-up and leaving the house :) I am sitting here in jogging bottoms and the oldest, most revolting nighty you have ever seen. I am Letting Myself Go.
 
We spent a long time in Sunbury on Thames and I worked all over central London for a long time - but moved to Newcastle upon Tyne last year. I am originally from Newcastle and my parents are both in their 90s now and were not coping. As their only child - we made the decision that we had to move north to make sure that they were alright... It had got so that we were heading up every weekend... When we were in our 20s we happily did a 600 mile round trip quite regularly if there was something fun happening - but it gets really tiring in your 50s...

It has certainly been a culture shock to say the least - moving in with my parents at our age...... not only that - but it is Rod's first time living away from the south east...
 
Yes I am tall as well I'm 5'10 and "big boned" so although im fat most people would guess I weigh less than I do. :) Yeah weight loss twins!!! I'm so excited to get to 'one'derland as thats when I start to look "normal" IMO, ie i don't jump out as 'the fat person' in photos or groups.
 
I'm 5'10 as well and we are near the same weight, Slickzchik! We can dooooo it. Ruth, have fun at your surprise today babe--you deserve to be spoilt. After the gym yesterday I actually came home and put on matching undies and gave Yank a bit of a surprise when he got home! It's amazing what exercise and feeling good about what you're doing does for your confidence!
 
Omega It must indeed be a huge shock to have to move in with your parents and care for them. What you have done for them is amazing. Is there no way you could move down to London/ South East with them again? Do you get any extra help with them? Or even a break? I hope your not doing it on your own, because the physical and emotional toll of doing that would be hard to bear.

Slikz I used to think I was big boned too (shoulders are broad-ish, big feet), and that I wouldn't be able to get any lower in dress size than a 12... I once got down to size 8-10 though, and there was still room for improvement. Are you sure that you are definitally big boned?

Hana I had a great time, they took me to a superposh restaurant :) Then we did a bit of shopping then chilled in Hyde park for a bit.

;) Glad your getting your mojo back and feeling sexy again, bet yank is as well :)

So, yesterday, was a day of many calories. We won't talk about that. But I did have a lot of fun, and I will be a good girl for the next week. My shopping will be coming in the next hour. For half my breakfast I got bacon medallions (which are just the round bits with no fat), giant mushrooms, beef tomatoes, and eggs. Which I am going to grill and poach, with some fry-light reduced calorie oil spray. The other half of my breakfasts will be a very small portion of all-bran, with soya milk and chopped bananas. I got a variety of fresh soups for lunch, lots and lots of fruit to snack on, and asda do things called snack-pots, which are 350gram microwave portions of nice meal type food, a bit like 'innocents' veg pots.

No tea at all for over 48 hours now :) Sugar monster, I will be rid of you soon! I am finding it hard for the first half an hour I am awake... I think my body has forgotton how to function, and wake up on its own without the addition of sugar. Hopefully by next week I won't even feel the urge for it any more. I know this has turned into a bit of a "Giving up tea diary", but it really is my main problem. Giving up tea is so much harder for me than eating healthily.

Maybe part of my life-time maintanance plan can include a clause saying "No tea, ever again, and only coffee for a treat". I have been drinking a lot of diet cooke, but I hope to cut that down eventually. It is kind of like a drug substitute though atm :)

Will edit with my food later, as I'm not sure what I fancy yet.
 
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Its been an enormous change for both my husband and myself. My parents have lived in the same house since 1960 and have often said that they will never live anywhere else... Frankly - at their age any real change would be cruel. Rod and I are better placed to make new friends and cope with a new location. Thankfully the house is large so my husband and I have our own living room. I cannot envisage any real changes until after their day. We rented out our house in Sunbury so will be able to return there eventually... That will all depend on things like Rod's job. He has got a job near here now - and finding work is a consideration and not always easy especially at our age (in our 50s)...

We are lucky in that I do get some help with them - so we are able to go out to things like salsa and zumba - and we have made quite a lot of friends in the dance community here... It kind of kills two birds with one stone in that we both get to do quite a lot of exercise and meet up with our friends all at the same time...

The exercise side of things is just as important for Rod as he is fighting his own weight battle... His max BMI was 62 and is currently around 48...
 
Mmmmm breakfast sounds nummerz! Good job and kicking the tea habit your through the worst now keep going.

By big boned what I meant is I have a large frame. For example, when I weighed 173, which is the uppermost boundary of the healthy weight for me according to BMI, I was a size 7-9 jeans bottoms depending on the store. So if I got down to my goal of 150, which is about the middle range for healthy, I'd be down another 23 pounds and probably fitting into some pretty teny weeny shorts :D thats the plan!!! Now make it happen
 
Omega I understand why you don't want to move them. It would be hard on them. You have made the choice that not many people would though, which is so lovely of you. It can't e nice watching people grow older, and your roles as carers reversing :( At least you have your own space though, and I'm glad you can still have a social life :)

Did you and Rod go on a diet at the same time? It is hard when you are not in diet-sync with your oh. See below!

Slickz I know, and its superlow in calories as well... Really looking forwards to it. The plan is to exercise and clean and decorate before breakfast, and have it at a brunch/lunch sort of hour.

Bloody hell, woman, are your bones made of concrete?! That is a teeny tiny size for that weight. Its good though :) Wouldn't it be nice to be able to wear those denim cuttoff type shorts that show your bum crease? I wouldn't wear them out, being a mother and all, but it would be nice to wiggle around the house in them!

I am in a bit off a stroppy mood today, because 'The Boyfriend' decided to eat a big plate of nachos and chilli, dripping with cheese. They are my favourite food, and even though I wasn't hungry, I can think of nothing else other than those bloody bloody nachos. Bloody. I nicked a few. They tasted every bit as good as I expected them to taste, and more. He also cooked sausages. And cooking sausages smell like midnight feasts in the famous five books. Which is delicious. I had one. It didn't taste as good as it smelt.

My son also ransacked the fridge and ate some of my healthy shopping, two dinners.

I am in shock at how few calories I'm eating though, and I'm not even starving! The dinners I've got are excellent, there's loads in each pot and they are laden with vitimany vegetables, taste great, are just £2.30, and also only 300-400 calories each.

Tiny bowl of frosties, chicken and chorizo with rice, 2 slices of watermelon, 2 bananas (May have been one!), satsuma and a pear. One sausage, and about 5 nachos with cheese. Evening cup of tea with 2.5 sugars
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Also a tin of tomato soup, and a glass of merlot.

Exercise: 5 minutes morning trampoline, about half of the 20 minute shred workout.
 
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Is it ASDA that sell those dinners hun? I've been getting the WW meals as I know they're low-fat/low-cal so would be good to have some more options! I do all my shopping there.

Hope you have a good weekend, chick xx
 
Yeah it is... Here's a link to one.... This one is only 286 calories, The packlaging is a bit shorter and fatter than a fresh soup tub.
 
Ugh that so hard when your man is eating delicious foods in front of you that u can't have. Mine never has to worry about gaining weight! I swear he is a fat man in a slim man's body.. jealous!
 
I know, It happened again today as well, I ended up eating a small piece of pie! I am starting to think it would have been a better idea if I had just got "normal healthy" shopping for all of us, rather than insanely healthy for just me.

Nick woke me up with a cup of tea this morning... With the usual amount of sugars in it, and it tasted disgusting, way way too sweet. I did drink it tho :blush5:

I moved onto stage two of my hypnosis app last night, I didn't realise that it was a virtual gastic band hypnosis till now. The first one that I listened to 14 times (Did forget a couple of nights) basically just said that you should only eat when hungry, stop eating as soon as you are full, only choose good foods, taste the food more. But last night I was actually taken to a consultation, then the operating theatre to get a gastric band fitted :) Maybe that is where this superlow calorie idea I have in my head is coming from. At somepoint here I said that I was pretend gastric banding myself, even though I didn't realise that is what the app was all about. So it could be working. And stopping my hunger. I'm not a great believer in hypnosis, I've always thought it was just the placebo effect if it worked. But maybe it does.

Off too watch a couple of episodes of 'Lost' now, I started watching it from the first episode, and I am hooked :)

My healthy fry up way very tasty, but the plate did look a bit bare, really. I think I might include a slice of muligrain toast in future, at least then I will have something to dip into my egg. I did it in a George Foreman grill, which has been hiding in the back of the cupboards for several years now... I had actually forgotton about it.

My skin is looking awful. It had cleared up. Spots are erupting like volcanos over my chin. WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?!

Did my trampoline this morning. Should really do the twenty minute shred now. But I have been busy all day, and Ive got a headache, so I shall leave it for tonight.

I ate 2 bacon medalions, poached egg, big tomato and big mushroom. Small indian ready meal, small slice pie, 2 slices of watermelon, two bananas, three plums, tomato soup

edit----- Also two slices of honey on white toast :/ D'oh!
 
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