Gastric Bypass? Surgery vs Psychology

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This will likely start a fight but I'd like to know what other people think about gastric bypass. I have watched lots of programs and even known people who have had it done but I don't get it.

If gatsric bypass simply cuts calories through food intake and absorption of food in the gut then why is it needed? It's a drastic solution and I don't think the long term effects of nutrient deprivation are well understood yet (well, it's not going to be good now is it?).

I don't understand why it's needed. Biggest Loser (and scientific studies) proves diet and exercise work so are we taking a surgical knife to a psychological problem? And if so, isn't that a dangerous solution?

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It's designed for people morbidly obese, however, a lot of doctors perform the surgery to anyone who can pay. Someone who is morbidly obese cannot simply exercise, and cannot simply stop eating as both might kill them. So with the bypass surgery, it allows them to gain mobility as well as lose the weight. It's really a last ditch effort for most morbidly obese folks.

It's a physical limitation such that a part of your stomach is cut off. With that said, you cannot eat except but a small amount. As such, it sort of forces people to eat properly and in good amount. Psychologically, it forces you to think what you want to eat because if you do not eat nutritionally dense food, you're going to feel ill. However, if given time, you can definitely return to your old eating habits.
 
I think it has a time and place, just like breast implants or liposuction or medications for mental issues (prozac, etc).

And like all those other things, it gets over-used and mis-used in a lot of 'wrong situations'.

Blame the doctors and society. Some doctors just give in to what the patient wants. And after all it is the patient that has to live with the aftermath. As long as the doctor is 150% up front about complications and how to manage a gastric bypass long term (i.e. you cannot just keep eating a lot of food) then all burden really falls on the individual getting the surgery.

it might be a 'fast method' for some that does work for them. for those looking to shortcut the fat loss without changing their lifestyle, they'll just be broke, in pain, and still obese.
 
definitely a time and a place. Surgery is extreme though and should not be used lightly.
And to be truthful, scientific studies show that losing weight is pretty easy, but staying down is very hard and a lot of studies that have follow ups a year later show that most people regain the weight.
 
Yeah ok so you're saying it's a moment in time and over used. I thought that about plastic surgery (which BTW inserting plastic bits or injecting poison struck me as beyond stupid but look where we are).

Biggest Loser kind of proves you can exercise your way out of obesity.

Gastric bypass has limits on the size of person they can operate on. And these days they are taking to removing part of the intestines which means they are on nutritional supplements for the rest of their lives.

Keeping weight down relies on a change in mindset towards yourself and therefore your lifestyle.

Do you think that the food companies who specialise in messing up perfectly good ingredients have something to answer for? Or is this a financial issue where cheap food is unhealthy?

I actually don't know but I meet more and more obese people and I wonder where it will all end. But every time I think something is a brief trend and people will get their head together on the subject they never seem to & it becomes an entrenched behaviour in our society.

Thanks for your thought tho'!
 
Do you think that the food companies who specialise in messing up perfectly good ingredients have something to answer for? Or is this a financial issue where cheap food is unhealthy?
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People are responsible for what they put in their mouth. Blaming companies for making the population unhealthy is stupid and is basically a way of thinking that makes the people who blame others powerless and irresponsible. They beleive they get off easy by blaming others for their own lack of healthiness.

People always try to find an easier way or a shortcut. I too see fat people more and more - it is beyond an issue. It has been an issue for years and keeps being an issue. Seriously, there are way, WAY more unfit people than fit people and they keep eating more crap. People need education, once they are smart enough they will start to withdraw from purchasing unhealthy foods from companies and they will be forced into making food that actually is decent.

As always, the problem is and will always be: People are stupid.

As for gastric bypasses, they should be reserved for people who need to lose weight ASAP because of life or death risks. People who just use this to take shortcuts should be blacklisted unless they have the money for it.
 
That's all very hard core Eric L but I don't disagree.

In the UK the food manufacturers are so busy 'adding value' to our food it has become very difficult to find basic ingredients (you know meat, vegetables, fruit, wholegrains). It means you have to be very very determined to eat well.

But I would add one thing to your analysis...people are stupid & LAZY in all ways; intellectually, emotionally, physically. For many if there's a perception of a way to offload a problem they will.

Did you ever read Judge Dredd comics from the 70's...it predicted we would have a raft of fat people scooting about on wheels and sure enough, here we are with fat people on scooters!

The world is getting stranger...
 
I suppose its a bit like taking an overdose (if you liken too much food to a pill overdose).
The first thing a doctor does is to pump your stomach, get out all the poison before taking you down to make sure it doesn't happen again. But the medical and physicological sides need to be treated in any theraputic intervention. Other forms of mental illness which require physical intervention are things like

Anorexia, Bulimia, Alcoholism, Self Harm, Drug addiction.....list goes on.

You can't unfortunetly just deal with the mental side of it and hope the physical side will deal with itself. Psychological things take a long time to really get into action in the best of people, so its not really reliable for reversing actions, just preventing them or stopping them getting worse in most cases.
 
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