Free weights versus machines?

Ah ok fair enough. I didn't mean anything offensive , so if it came out that way I apologize. I think we are on the same page with this. My stance is, and always has been, you can't make blanket statements like "no one doing non-competition lifting should need a spotter," or "if you need a spotter, you're lifting too much," as was implied by other posters, any more than you can say "everyone needs a spotter all the time on every lift." I've said this before, but it bears repeating- fitness is not a one size fits all endeavor. I will say this though- while there exists no such study as you mentioned, I think it is safe to infer from the two links I provided that both of those members of the clinical field feel like spotters are being severely under utilized, or they wouldn't have mentioned the ACSM's stance on the topic. Including that info in an article about weightlifting injuries seems like a pretty straight forward indicator of the stance of at least part of the medical community.
 
OMG i cant believe IWA/jom16 are arguing the point about competition lifters,who mentioned anything about competition lifters,this was the quote i responded to,IMO based on his post he sounds like a relative newbie to me,definetly not a comp lifter

I have always worked out with free weights at home. Today I had a look at my local gym that have lots of machines and the guy at the gym said that since i had been exclusively using free weights i would probably experience more rapid muscle gain switching to the machines (sounds a bit too good to be true). Also since I don't have a training partner to spot me I thought training on the machines might help me work out with heaver weight a little easier.
this was my responce

do what you enjoy doing,as long as your working all parts (not just chest/bis etc) if your enjoying it you will keep going.
but i agree with the guys that the benefits of free weights outways the machines,a mixture of both is prefered.
also IMO if you need a spot then you have to much weight on the bar.
nothing about comp lifters in any of those posts
 
OMG i cant believe IWA/jom16 are arguing the point about competition lifters,who mentioned anything about competition lifters,this was the quote i responded to,IMO based on his post he sounds like a relative newbie to me,definetly not a comp lifter


this was my responce


nothing about comp lifters in any of those posts
You are wrong because even non-competition lifters in the gym still need a spotter/lift-off for heavy sets IMO (and that of Rippetoe). You use up a lot of gas un-racking yourself, staying in position, doing your sets then re-racking all without a spotter.

You evidently have no coaching credentials this is why you are ignorant of the purpose of a lift-off and a spotter for heavy sets. I would also like to see a demonstration of you/Karky or devildog set-up properly (shoulder in correct position, arch set-up and everything), then you do RE work with 3 or 4 plates per side (20kg or 25kg each plate) and then your roll of honor with that much weight on your chest.

Get cracking dudes. :D
 
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And again, you haven't read my posts
I've never said I could do that with 3 20's on both sides.
I actually even said this
That being said, I don't lift a lot in the bench press. If you feel that you won't be able to roll it off or tip it off without it hurting badly because the bar is heavy, then use a spotter.
 
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OMG i cant believe IWA/jom16 are arguing the point about competition lifters,who mentioned anything about competition lifters,this was the quote i responded to,IMO based on his post he sounds like a relative newbie to me,definetly not a comp lifter


this was my responce


nothing about comp lifters in any of those posts

You conveniently left out your other post, which stated:

"totaly no need for a spotter,you should know your 10,8,5,rep maxes,if someone is helping you,then it isnt you lifting is it."

Spotters don't always help you. They are there to watch form, offer a measure of safety, and help IF NEEDED. The entire thing about competition lifters piggybacked off of this post, not the other one. The tone was condescending and you accused another poster of roid rage in that same post. Further you referred to someone as a "keybourd warrior" who was "hiding behind his words." What kind of responses did you expect posting something like that? My other posts on contest lifters were a response to devildog's statements, "if you can't unrack it you have no business trying to press it. It takes minimal effort to unrack a bar and if you can't do it on your own then you most definatly won't be able to push it all the way up from a lowered position." Many powerlifters (myself included) use spotters exclusively for the purpose of liftoffs in contests.
 
You conveniently left out your other post, which stated:

"totaly no need for a spotter,you should know your 10,8,5,rep maxes,if someone is helping you,then it isnt you lifting is it."

Spotters don't always help you. They are there to watch form, offer a measure of safety, and help IF NEEDED. The entire thing about competition lifters piggybacked off of this post, not the other one. The tone was condescending and you accused another poster of roid rage in that same post. Further you referred to someone as a "keybourd warrior" who was "hiding behind his words." What kind of responses did you expect posting something like that? My other posts on contest lifters were a response to devildog's statements, "if you can't unrack it you have no business trying to press it. It takes minimal effort to unrack a bar and if you can't do it on your own then you most definatly won't be able to push it all the way up from a lowered position." Many powerlifters (myself included) use spotters exclusively for the purpose of liftoffs in contests.

seems to me your doing some selective reading,his first post to me was
I disagree with your sh!t. You should have a spot for an exercise like the bench press

If you use girl weights and then do 15 or 20 reps then you don't need a spotter, actually you should join the aerobics class instead of playing around with the weights and leave the serious sh!t for the men.
in his 2nd post he called me a douch and a keyboard warrior before i replied with the same.
getting back on subject, my responses were to IMO a newbie or general gym user not a comp lifter.
you said "Spotters don't always help you. They are there to watch form, offer a measure of safety, and help IF NEEDED." thats true if the spotters know what they are doing,but in general in a gym,if you dont have a partner you would be putting your trust into someone you dont know,and who may have no experience whatsoever.
 
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You are wrong because even non-competition lifters in the gym still need a spotter/lift-off for heavy sets IMO (and that of Rippetoe). You use up a lot of gas un-racking yourself, staying in position, doing your sets then re-racking all without a spotter.

You evidently have no coaching credentials this is why you are ignorant of the purpose of a lift-off and a spotter for heavy sets. I would also like to see a demonstration of you/Karky or devildog set-up properly (shoulder in correct position, arch set-up and everything), then you do RE work with 3 or 4 plates per side (20kg or 25kg each plate) and then your roll of honor with that much weight on your chest.

Get cracking dudes. :D
i have probably been lifting weights longer than you have been out of your dads bag,"36yrs"and i repeat again in general gym population there is no need for a spotter if you know your maxes(maybe you need to learn yours) most people go to the gym to gain muscle lose fat,very few are comp lifters,so this " You use up a lot of gas un-racking yourself, staying in position, doing your sets then re-racking all without a spotter" isnt a major problem.
and i am not a coach but i do have certificates for fitness studies,but besides studies my posts are based on my experiences,maybe you need to do the same and take your nose out of rippetoes backside.

and why are you fixated on us posting up youtube piccs of us lifting :confused:

BTW you do realise you dont have to lift to faliure to gain muscle dont you,or has rip not told you that.
 
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Buzz & Co you are time-wasting. Its time to do some talking with decent weight e.g. 350lbs on the bar. If you have been training for 36 months let alone 36 years, you would not make such an arrogant statement thta spotters are not required.

Let's have some practical demonstration :-

1. 350lbs on the bar.
2. Unrack it by yourself without spotters.
3. Bench for 6-8 reps if you cannot go to failure.
4. Your form must be perfect and you have to touch the chest each rep.
5. Re-rack it yourself or do the "roll of honor"
6. Post a vid.

If you cannot demonstrate any practical proof then you are just trolling.
 
again missing the point completly and still fixated with posting vids of men lifting weights hmmm whats that all about.
it seems your the troll sunshine.
 
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