"Eat food. Stuff you like. As much as you want"
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Andy2
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Im pretty sure thats how I got fat in the first place haha.
I know a ton of fat people that would disagree with this guy. Everyone MIGHT have this desire to survive, but the desire for midnight taco bell can take over pretty damn quickly.
Spinner19641
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Actually I drilled further into the site - forget about the 'fat nutritionist' - I don't need to pay someone to tell me how to eat whatever I want. I can do that on my own!
But if you keep drilling there is another site called 'fatosphere' where a bunch of people who are definitely well overweight post their thoughts on their weight and mostly they are not negative.
My weight was always a source of frustration for me and, at my heaviest of 200 pounds (which was not super heavy for 5ft 9 but I am a slight frame so it was physically uncomfortable & I was only at that weight for less than a month) and eventually learning how to maintain my weight (I'm now a small UK 8/10 and have been for 4 years) I always assumed being heavy was a bad thing.
But is it? It didn't work for me and I am happier at this weight and knowing how to maintain it but is being a bit heavier really as bad as we all seem to think?
But if you keep drilling there is another site called 'fatosphere' where a bunch of people who are definitely well overweight post their thoughts on their weight and mostly they are not negative.
My weight was always a source of frustration for me and, at my heaviest of 200 pounds (which was not super heavy for 5ft 9 but I am a slight frame so it was physically uncomfortable & I was only at that weight for less than a month) and eventually learning how to maintain my weight (I'm now a small UK 8/10 and have been for 4 years) I always assumed being heavy was a bad thing.
But is it? It didn't work for me and I am happier at this weight and knowing how to maintain it but is being a bit heavier really as bad as we all seem to think?
That's an interesting point- I admit I didn't look further than the article, which rubbed me completely up the wrong way.
My feeling on weight is that you've got to be comfortable with it. I'm in the enviable position that I could stop losing weight- I have a healthy BMI. But I still feel overweight. I know other people (here and elsewhere) who are aiming at the high end of a healthy BMI or even the low end of overweight, because that's what they think will make them happy/ comfortable. I'm all for that. It can go too far- I'm not a fan of "fat acceptance" (I'm not going to go the other way and say it's a good idea to make people who are overweight miserable, either- I think some part of the motivation to lose weight is having self-respect, and you can't get that if the world is against you- but there's a point at which, objectively, excess weight is going to cause health problems, and to accept large or very large amounts of excess weight seems to be masochism at best and suicidal at worst), but there's a large range of weights at which someone can be healthy (including, I suspect, beyond the limits of a healthy BMI for a small group of people), and it's something that each individual needs to work out for themselves.
Edit to add: this is not to say I'm pro-ana. Oh no. I think "accepting a weight that's good for you" is not something you can do if you have a mental illness related to weight/ size.
My feeling on weight is that you've got to be comfortable with it. I'm in the enviable position that I could stop losing weight- I have a healthy BMI. But I still feel overweight. I know other people (here and elsewhere) who are aiming at the high end of a healthy BMI or even the low end of overweight, because that's what they think will make them happy/ comfortable. I'm all for that. It can go too far- I'm not a fan of "fat acceptance" (I'm not going to go the other way and say it's a good idea to make people who are overweight miserable, either- I think some part of the motivation to lose weight is having self-respect, and you can't get that if the world is against you- but there's a point at which, objectively, excess weight is going to cause health problems, and to accept large or very large amounts of excess weight seems to be masochism at best and suicidal at worst), but there's a large range of weights at which someone can be healthy (including, I suspect, beyond the limits of a healthy BMI for a small group of people), and it's something that each individual needs to work out for themselves.
Edit to add: this is not to say I'm pro-ana. Oh no. I think "accepting a weight that's good for you" is not something you can do if you have a mental illness related to weight/ size.
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Spinner19641
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What is the right weight for you seems to be a hard question to answer. Like you I would not promote being at either extreme end of the spectrum.
- How much of this decision is our perceptions versus others?
- Does it matter if someone is a BMI of 25 - 30? Technically that is overweight but does that small amount of additional weight really threaten their health?
- And just how much effort is weight management worth? I have a very disciplined routine and if I didn't I might be a small size UK 12 rather than a small UK 8/10. Is the effort and discipline worth a few inches?
I just wonder about it some days...weight has become such an emotional issue - almost everyone I speak to mentions their weight to me at some point - there seems to be so much worry about something that should have a wide bandwidth of what is 'acceptable' and yet few seem happy where they are at.
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ChefChiTown
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It's an individual's blog - an unqualified one at that (see below) - so there's 0 percent of me that takes her advice seriously.
From the bottom of her blog...
Personally I hate BMI as a measurement, it may be ok for the "Average" but it is totally meaningless for some sections of the population, including myself.
ChefChiTown
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I know. I mean, BMI doesn't take into account a person's muscle mass or physical condition. Take me for example. I'm probably like 260 lbs, but a good 220 or so lbs of that is pure, MANLY musiiiiigh...I'm so fat.
Sunflower2
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Awh, Chef
Yeah, that article, if you can even call it that, is bullllllllllshit. You know there is some poor fat dude out there reading it though and being "allllriiiiiiight, time for twinkies!"
Yeah, that article, if you can even call it that, is bullllllllllshit. You know there is some poor fat dude out there reading it though and being "allllriiiiiiight, time for twinkies!"
FatGreasyBstard
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You know what happens when you give animals free access to as many twinkies as they want to eat? They eat them. All of them. Yep. We're animals, and just like animals we're opportunistic and more interested in filling our bellies with whatever causes our bodies to say everything's good now than making sure those things are good for us in the long run.
jfletch1305
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I don't really think its solid advice for anybody who might be uncomfortable with their body and is looking to do something about it. By eating what i wanted, when i wanted it, i got into this situation. The concept of everybody wanting to be healthy etc. and that being motivation not to just isn't strong enough for me. Like Andy said; the motivation for unhealthy food late at night is much stronger to me.
espressowhip
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Alan Carr's Easyweigh to Lose Weight
I kept waiting to hear this was an out-of-context excerpt from Alan Carr's book. The animal comparisons and the twinkie reference are the same. Plagiarism anyone?
Of course you can't eat anything you want, based on what your current wants are.
In the case of Alan Carr's concept (which uses hypnosis techniques for readers) the idea is that you change how you think about food and end up changing what foods you "want".
In the process of the book things you use to enjoy (i.e. chocolate) become unappetizing. He works his way through various food groups building on an initial concept of mother's milk, and uses (some) sound nutritional guidelines (i.e. processed foods) to, essentially, talk you out of "wanting" foods which contribute to being over-weight or bad health.
When the idea of the book is successful, the only things you want to eat are healthy, balanced, foods, and in that case, you can indeed eat all the foods you want and not gain weight.
Both the good and the bad reviews on this book have merit. But it's not a nutrition book, it's a self-hypnosis-weight-loss book. And as with anything, if you believe it can work for you, it does. I was entirely skeptical and still, didn't eat or miss eating chocolate for a year after reading his book...and anything that tastes of refined sugar is literally difficult for me to swallow...and it's been 2 years. For me, the ideas significantly shifted what foods I enjoy. Did I drop tons of weight as a result? No...but I don't crave bad things that work against my efforts, and making healthy choices is heaps easier.
This person doesn't offer that kind of context or shift in what foods you "want" to eat. They stole an idea and completely missed the point of the idea.
I kept waiting to hear this was an out-of-context excerpt from Alan Carr's book. The animal comparisons and the twinkie reference are the same. Plagiarism anyone?
Of course you can't eat anything you want, based on what your current wants are.
In the case of Alan Carr's concept (which uses hypnosis techniques for readers) the idea is that you change how you think about food and end up changing what foods you "want".
In the process of the book things you use to enjoy (i.e. chocolate) become unappetizing. He works his way through various food groups building on an initial concept of mother's milk, and uses (some) sound nutritional guidelines (i.e. processed foods) to, essentially, talk you out of "wanting" foods which contribute to being over-weight or bad health.
When the idea of the book is successful, the only things you want to eat are healthy, balanced, foods, and in that case, you can indeed eat all the foods you want and not gain weight.
Both the good and the bad reviews on this book have merit. But it's not a nutrition book, it's a self-hypnosis-weight-loss book. And as with anything, if you believe it can work for you, it does. I was entirely skeptical and still, didn't eat or miss eating chocolate for a year after reading his book...and anything that tastes of refined sugar is literally difficult for me to swallow...and it's been 2 years. For me, the ideas significantly shifted what foods I enjoy. Did I drop tons of weight as a result? No...but I don't crave bad things that work against my efforts, and making healthy choices is heaps easier.
This person doesn't offer that kind of context or shift in what foods you "want" to eat. They stole an idea and completely missed the point of the idea.
timesawastin
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Really?
So, recently, I’ve worked out this pact with my G/F to help me get skinny. She tries to help me with my food consumption… But recently, its been annoying. We’ll be out with our friends and she starts slapping my hands if I eat too much, or she will say off-the-cusp things while I am ordering and it’s beginning to make me hate her a little, due to my gluttony. I’ve seriously considered just breaking up with her because of it. I’ve started watching Rocco’s new show on bravo and it’s helping… a little… hopefully things get better when I win the Watch and Win contest but, I heard tonight hes bringing on a few workout experts like Joe Dowdell to give some advice. Is this a good direction to head? Or has anyone else had this same thing happen to them?
So, recently, I’ve worked out this pact with my G/F to help me get skinny. She tries to help me with my food consumption… But recently, its been annoying. We’ll be out with our friends and she starts slapping my hands if I eat too much, or she will say off-the-cusp things while I am ordering and it’s beginning to make me hate her a little, due to my gluttony. I’ve seriously considered just breaking up with her because of it. I’ve started watching Rocco’s new show on bravo and it’s helping… a little… hopefully things get better when I win the Watch and Win contest but, I heard tonight hes bringing on a few workout experts like Joe Dowdell to give some advice. Is this a good direction to head? Or has anyone else had this same thing happen to them?