Steve,
You have misunderstood much of what I've said.
I never said that I believe body building to be unhealthy. I only posed the question and brought up a couple of facts. I suspect it can be harmful.
If you read it all over once more you with a clear head, you might understand that there was not a debate and that my opinions are still forming. I need to learn so much more before I could form a solid opinion.
Now, lets see if I can pick apart your comments. . . lol
For future reference, I highly suggest not getting so emotionally attached to a discussion/debate. I am discussing/debating (whatever the fuck you want to call it) the topic at hand. There is no reason to get personal or assume I am fighting with you as a person. It is about the topic. Not you. I hate the fact that I have to spell this out, but you have made it blatantly obvious that it is necessary. So please, learn to debate without getting your panties all in a bunch.
I probably wouldn't dignify your pointless posts on any other given day, but I am bored, so again, let's play.
I think I'll answer this with a question. Who is the one who is emotional and who is taking this whole matter way too personal?
I suggest you do a search for my posts on this forum. I can give you a few other forums to search my name on as well. Aside from friendly banter, you will find that there is nothing incoherent about my speech. It is rather amusing actually, for you to say so though.
I was speaking of your cursing and your tendency to wander and speak moot points. I've come to realize that you seemed incoherent due to misunderstanding some of my questions and comments. Also due to anger.
Are you serious? You do realize how scientific studies work, right? I never said variables should be ignored. Come on friend, you need to step up your wit if this is how you are going to approach this debate. Putting words in my mouth will get you absolutely nowhere. Obviously all variables should be considered. But in the moment of testing, holding all but one, two at the most, variable constant is required in order to understand cause and effects. If you let everything come into play, there is no way to determine which variables caused which effects.
I will answer this by reminding you of your earlier reply which was absolutely ridiculous and also one of the reasons I thought you were losing coherency. You probably think it was amusing.
You could play the "what if" game using 3.7 trillion variables. That is not fun to me. It is like saying, hmmm, should I drive to work today. I better not, I could crash it. But if I walk, i might trip on the curb and hit my head. Ahhh, I better stay home. Wait, if I do that, the roof could fall on me. See what I am saying? Focus on one thing at a time.
Scientists need to be empirical and objective. They can not ignore information. If they did, they would not be legitimate scientists.
Do you have any idea how often someone can cause enough neural fatigue to hospitalize themselves? I mean seriously. Such a rare occasion and you are using it as your side of a debate about "too much muscle" being harmful. Such a weak variable you are using, but so be it. Sometimes reaching is all you got!
I didn't mention neural fatigue. I made a very generalized statement about real life medical problems associated with bodybuilding.
. . . Natural lifters doing everything healthy besides eating maybe too much (as you might say) and carrying around too much weight (as you might say too). Am I right? That is what you are wondering? Can eating too much of the right things or carrying too much LBM cause harm? All this back and forth debate has left me wondering if this is still what you are interested in.
These are questions that I am interested in. Eating to much will tax your system that is unavoidable. Is there a such thing as too much LBM? I suspect there is but I don't know enough to develop a stable opinion. I'm sure your input could be valuable to me if you stop flipping your wig.
My point was to exchange opinions and learn about differences in lean weight in different cultures.
1. The age where muscle heads were thought of as "healthy but not real bright" has come and gone my friend. Come up to the 21st century where there are an endless supply of functionally strong, muscular men and women roaming the globe teaching people how to apply strength training to the average person's life in order to improve general health. I am honored to be part of such a fine group of people. Sorry, but I can’t believe I have to explain myself. But I guess I am fortunate in the fact that I am not surrounded by idiots in my life who assume muscles = lack of brain. And if this is the case for you, which it seems to be, I feel sorry for you.
It has come and it is still here. Television still portrays people with bulky muscular bodies as superhuman idiots. You have to be real sleek and not bulky to be considered anything more than an animal. Let me stress that this is not my opinion but only what I see on TV. Nothing much has changed in that regard.
2. Regarding your comments about tryptophan, give me a break. For those reading this that may not know about this:
Tryptophan is converted to serotonin in the brain, which makes you sleepy. Transport across the brain is limited by competition with large neutral amino acids, like leucine, isoleucine, valine, phenylalanine etc. Bbrs typically take excessive amounts of protein to start with, so an imbalance in amino acids towards tryp is rather unlikely.
It is not likely if you supplement properly. But when the stereotype first formed, the science of muscle building and nutrition was not so advanced so it could be the reason that bodybuilders seemed stupid to some people.
By the way, many supplements are dangerous. I'm sure most people already know that but I felt it needed to be said. Phenylalinine is rumored to cause brain damage.
Man, you like to bring up such minutia. I don't understand how you figure anything out. Thank the sweet Lord the lovely scientists don't let their rational brains get the best of them like you. We would never figure anything out!
If your talking about the comment about stereotypical bodybuilders, I agree. It was an unnecessary comment. I only made it because of the comment you made about not thinking that most people believed that muscular people were healthy. I didn't mean to call anyone stupid.
