Do you think it's unhealthy...

[tonymcclellan]

Funny how threads about sex always get tons of response quickly lol.

 

[Wrangell]

having sex is good when its your wife and not someone you just want physically.

Sorry, but I disagree.

Sex can be enjoyable and fulfilling both long before you get married and long after you get married.

again...the world will deny this and say its ok to have sex with anyone you want because its fun and nothing bad will happen(hopefully).

Most sex is fun...but when it isn't as fun as you'd like it, it's still pretty darn good all the same.

they say its good as long as you dont reap the physical consequence(STDs), but they dont realize the spiritual detriments of allowing your body to be shared with multiple partners.

Two consenting adults wish to have sex with one another - what is the " spiritual detriment " possibly associated with that ?

If someone refuses to believe this, it could be that s/he is attached to sex(maybe controlled by it) and s/he will automatically cast down any moral responsibility and say its ok to have sex with anyone.

That sounds like utter nonsense to me.

If 2 people want to have sex - for the mere sake of having sex - so be it.

Its easy to believe and follow the philosophy that takes all responsibility off a person and says that a person exists to fulfill his/her own desires alone.

There is nothing wrong with fulfilling ones' sexual desires by oneself or with a consenting partner.

its a prophesy that people would claim that good is evil and evil is good. lust is not good... envy isnt good...masturbation isnt good for the spirit. lusting and mentally fantisizing about someone you dont have is like envying someone else's possesion. you dont have it and you want it, so you act on it to fulfill your own lack of partnership. (i dont mean "you" ...i have done it too. im guilty too. i dont want to come off as self rightous)

Holy Cow !! Where do you come up this stuff ? Talk about proselytizing

Are you an Oral ( excuse the pun ) Roberts devotee or something ?

Look - if you're a guy, there is nothing wrong morally or ethically about " fantasizing " or " thinking about ' about having sex alone, having sex with another man, having sex with another women, having sex with a group or men or with a group of women , imagining a woman or man naked etc. etc. etc.

Thinking about sex is........ N O R M A L !

It might feel good physically and seem ok mentally but its not healthy..

I completely disagree.

It's perfectly healthy....and NORMAL..

some things that feel good are bad!

Perhaps...but there is nothing " bad " about sex between 2 consenting adults.

drugs can make you feel good but they are bad..
things can physically feel good and be spiritually bad because they are not mutually inclusive. just because one is true doesnt make the other.

There is nothing " spiritually bad " about sex between 2 consenting adults.

doing the right thing doesnt always feel good but your spirit can always rejoice.

Why would you rejoice at something that feels bad ?

example: someone drops some cash and you see him drop it and he doesnt notice. you pick it up and give it back to him because its the right thing to do. some people would just like to keep the money because what they will buy with it will make them happy; its selfish.

Actually, it's called stealing.

You have knowingly taken something you know doesn't rightly belong to you - taken something from another person either against their will, and or without their knowledge and or consent.

Sex between 2 consenting adults is not against their mutual will, and or not without their mutual knowledge and or consent. It is a consensual act of sharing.......( and quite possibly some screaming and moaning )

Yet people with integrity will care more about the other person and give back the dropped money and feel good because you helped that person avoid dissapointment. just because it feels good doesnt make it right :]

Let's see.......just because sex feels good...doesn't make sex right ?

Brilliant.

 

[Wrangell]

Wrangell, the difference between our views is simply our view of sex.

Well, I happen to think sex is just great - be it masturbation, oral sex, traditional vaginal and anal etc. etc.!!!

Just keep the sex coming ( excuse the pun...again ) I always say !!!!

I believe that sex is very healthy and perfectly normal when used correctly with the wife or husband

I couldn't disagree more

- I don't happen to think sex between 2 young heterosexual people who aren't married ......is either unhealthy or abnormal.

- I also don't happen to think sex between 2 young homosexual people who either aren't married or who are married ...... is either unhealthy or abnormal.

- I also don't happen to think that if you're a single Christian person and you masturbate or think about masturbating or you fantasize about sex or even have sex, that it is so unhealthy or abnormal that God is going to condemn you to HELL for eternity.​

In my view, I would hope that any form of sexuality between 2 consenting adults - whenever and however you wish to express it - is actually a blessing from a God....a blessing to be cherished and enjoyed............not something to be judged by and condemned for.

My defintion of God just wouldn't be that petty, shallow and vacuous.

Maybe your God IS however.

The family is supposed to be united...it is sacred. when sex is used in dedication with a wife and when the two are responsible for the potential children( to love and nurture them and not neglect or abhor them as an unexpected result of satisfying the flesh), sex is very healthy.

First of all, a " family " isn't just husband and wife, 2 kiddies and a dog like the Christian ' right ' would have us believe.

A family can be a single parent and a child / children, or 2 woman with kids, or 2 men with kids, etc.

And let me tell you another thing as far as " to love and nurture them and not neglect or abhor " kids is concerned...some of the most dysfunctional and abusive families I have ever seen come from families just like nice cookie cutter husband and wife, 2 kiddies and a dog typer of families.

Sexuality / marriage / being single has nothing to do with whether you can raise a solid family or not IMO.

However, when there is "free love" and "do it as much as you want kuz it feels good, lulz", then there is no dedication, there is no real love, there is no unity between the two lovers;

That is pure and utter nonsense IMO.

it is just fulfilling self. It leads to terrible things...abuse, neglect, abortions, dumpster babies...ect.

Again, pure and utter nonsense IMO.

To relate this all to masturbation...i believe that lusting in the heart and allowing it is just as wrong as commiting adultery in the flesh(i believe adultery is wrong).

You have GOT to be kidding !!!

Masturbation is the equivalent of committing adultery ???? Masturbation is a sin ?????

One more time.......masturbation is a NORMAL and HEALTHY part of human sexuality.

I think this is where we disagree.
I agree that there is "healthy sex" but when sex is with anyone but the wife, it is unhealthy because i believe in the family(1 mate), not free love.

You're right ...we definitely disagree.

In fact, I happen to think your view on sex and masturbation is sheer lunacy..........right out of the ' Christian Right Propaganda Play Book ' :yelrotflmao:

I guess we have a disagreement between whether or not thoughts affect oneself(and his/her actions) and what is considered a "bad thought". as i stated, adultery is wrong, which is why i abstain from lusts.

I think adultery is wrong too...but not for religious reasons.

But, generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with thinking about sex, thinking about masturbation, engaging in sex / masturbation etc. IMO.

as for the last question...i stopped at the age when i realized the truth. 17 >.> why?

How often a month would you masturbate before you stopped masturbating at age 17 ? How often did you think about sex before 17 ?

And do the same triggers and cues and thoughts that got you sexually aroused before 17, still get you sexually aroused today...now that you're a devout Christian ?

How often do you think about sex now that you're a devout Christian ? And is the mere ' thinking ' you have about sex these days a sin ?

 

[LeiYunFat]

I'm not going to pick someone's dropped $20 from the ground and run off thinking, "Heh, time to **** the **** out of my girlfriend..."

 

[photocrazed]

Look - if you're a guy, there is nothing wrong morally or ethically about " fantasizing " or " thinking about ' about having sex alone, having sex with another man, having sex with another women, having sex with a group or men or with a group of women , imagining a woman or man naked etc. etc. etc.

Thinking about sex is........ N O R M A L !

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I disagree with you here Wrangell, but only because of the word "guy." There is absolutely nothing wrong with this as a female as well.

there is much spiritual growth when one can control his/herself against any thought and any desire; not when you give in and consent to your thoughts and desires.

i just cannot relate to how the spirit can grow from giving in to anything you feel.

It seems to me that you just negated your entire argument here, because you FEEL that sex and intimacy is wrong unless it's with a spouse. You are giving in to this idea or belief system, this feeling that you have that it is wrong.

Masturbation does not only serve one purpose either. It's about self discovery and for women, it is extremely important. Let's face it, it's pretty damn easy for guys to get off.. but if a woman doesn't know her own body and cannot encourage her partner to do the things that make her reach orgasm, who's getting the ****ty end of the stick (no pun intended)??

but guilt is not a sin. guilt can lead to repentance.
for example, if you wrong your neighbor by stealing from him/her and you feel no guilt from it, you may be decieved that theres nothing wrong with it since you dont feel bad. however, if one feels guilty, and integrity starts to kick in, the person might repent and stay away from that sin in the future.
guilt is not good long term...it is like pain. touch a hot stove and it hurts. so you know not to do it again.
yet the answer to solving guilt isnt to lower the bar so that you dont feel bad about what you are doing; its to stop doing whats wrong(stop touching the hot stove)

Guilt is not tangible. Yet you are comparing it to something you can touch (like your hot stove example) which is not equivalent. Guilt is a feeling and it can be manipulated easily by the self and others. It's something that is influenced from experiences and especially parents, teachers and friends.

People have varying ideas of what constitutes adultery or other cheating. Some say that it's any emotional connection with another human being, some think it's only physical, some say that it also can occur within other realms, but every single person is not going to have the same threshold or belief that the next person in line does.

There is nothing wrong with having morning wood and taking care of yourself in the shower when you just want the erection to go away so you can move along with your day, you don't have to get your wife involved.. but if she is willing and you are repeatedly withholding from her, that's where I see the problem beginning. There are times when I want sexual release but not the whole shabang.. it's quick and convenient and I know exactly what to touch and where to make it happen and move along. This doesn't mean I fantasize about other men etc while doing it. That's just ridiculous.

Like Wrangell and others have said... Masturbation is normal and everyone does it (or has done it).

 

[Big_Idiot]

WTF, how fast has this thread grown? what the hell you ppl been talking about. Im guessing were off calciums topic right? Cant be bothered reading it all...

Big T's Sex Summary

Sex is good, go out and get as much **** as you can. Get diseases and have many kids.


**mreik-> be nice.

 

[calcium]

Wow.....

Anyways, I got laid so we can all stop arguing :biggrinsanta:

 

[marko157]

WTF, how fast has this thread grown? what the hell you ppl been talking about. Im guessing were off calciums topic right? Cant be bothered reading it all...

Big T's Sex Summary

Sex is good, go out and get as much **** as you can. Get diseases and have many kids.

hahaha spoken like a true brit

sow your`e oats man its what its for.

as for PB hve a wank man it sound as if you need it .Think of god whatever but please have some release if its evil then go to confession after.

problem solved ...clean slate

 

[Wrangell]

I disagree with you here Wrangell, but only because of the word "guy." There is absolutely nothing wrong with this as a female as well.

I never claimed otherwise.

I simply said " guy " as I was addressing my comments to Proteinboy directly....as in " you're a guy ".

 

[theGOOCH]

Wow.....

Anyways, I got laid so we can all stop arguing :biggrinsanta:

Problem solved LOL

 

[Big_Idiot]

Looks like were all happy

Ima get my sex tonight, hope its someone who i havnt done before

And cheers to you too marko

 

[MarkMyWords]

Well done calcium, well done.

Dang, my gf is outta town this weekend. That's OK though, Sunday night it will be on. Maybe Monday morning too since I'll be backed up...:yelrotflmao:

 

[calcium]

Well done calcium, well done.

Thank you! Thanks to everyone! I would like to thank my mom, the posters in this thread.....


The best part of it all is that it's someone that I can get together with regularly. Problem completely solved. I'm gonna sleep well tonight!