Darth Pooh, Sith Lord of the Honey Pot

Good news. Got UD2 and Stubborn Fat for Xmas. I haven't read them yet, because I haven't been able to look at or read about food for 3 days now. Got a nice little stomach virus (seems like everyone did in my wife's family), and I have probably eaten about 2000 calories in about 3 days (which should be good to make up for the damage control on Xmas eve/day lol).

At anyrate, the sucky part is I really miss the damn gym. I missed two days (upper/lower) and I feel like my entire body has "deflated" in terms of muscle. It's all mental, I get it, but it still sucks. I haven't taken creatine since Xmas morning either, so mentally I think I am not 100% saturated anymore. It's still the little shit that eats away at my head... doesn't matter. I'll be back in the gym tomorrow.
 
Darth-P......

Dude....take a look next to you; we're sitting in the same boat! :D

It's kinda funny because it defies conventional theory. We're taught that it's calories in vs. calories out and so at the end of the week if we run a 3,500 calorie deficit we'll have lost a pound. We're also told that the body can slow the metabolism and run on lower-intake, BUT the reduction in metabolism can't cover the spread of the overall reduction/deficit in calories....so we should still have a net loss.....yet it just doesn't quite work that way.

Why can two nearly identical people (in age, gender, size, shape, genetic background, energy expenditure, etc) both consume 4,500 calories per day...and one gains weight/fat while the other just doesn't??

I'm told that every calorie counts, so if you eat an extra 100 calories per day, you WILL gain roughly a pound per month. Yet this is what I'm experiencing, I call it "Band-Width Theory"

To lose weight I need to eat less then 1,800 calories and then thinning will happen....but you gotta be hungry and run lean!!!

To gain weight, I need to eat more then 4,500 calories to get fatter. My waist & chin won't expand unless I eat more then this.

BUT....If I eat between 1,800 to 4,500 calories per day NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. In this "band" my body just seems to maintain itself at the set-point.

Does it make sense? By set-point theory, YES....but by "calories in vs. calories out"...not really. I think there's a lot of over-driven hype about metabolism and he we can change it and alter it. The notion that eating spicy food can super-charge our metabolism and increase it upto 40%?? NONSENSE! Caffiene speeds-up the metabolism?...probably a bit, but I'm guessing 85% of the effect is more appetite suppressant.

I'm not really sure...all I know is that I comparatively have to work my ass off something awful to make slight headway while others seem to have a relatively easier time.

I guess, in the end, we pick-apart and question the science in some kind of vague hope that we'll suddenly find the magic formula and discover the more productive route to getting where we're trying to go. I further suppose, in the end, we should just reconsile ourselves to doing the best we can and making the most of what we have...but I still like to b!tch and rage against the machine.

Btw....you know that concept about one day a week eat anything you want??? Yeah; don't even think about it....cause that's the one day your body will likely decide to reset it's set-point and Murphy's Law says we'll take one in the metabolic balls but good!

"Starve today, for tomorrow we weigh!" -BSL

Oh...and the chaos; it's been brought!!! :D

Replied from another thread since we were kinda having a side convo in someone else's diary thread :)

I decided to go unconventional myself. I see your a Alan A study... I have decided to go the way of Lyle. His UD2 is a "culking" method, and it involves intense keto cycling with depletion workouts. Most people don't lose any body weight at all, it's usually fat loss, muscle gain. Which obviously a number on the scale means nothing to me. I will most likely start in either April or possibly a bit sooner (maybe March, I think I have a slight tear in my shoulder that is going to stop this heavy bulk short in it's tracks). At anyrate, people pretty much say this is a workout that makes people want to throw up on a daily basis... If it isn't the depletion workout, than the refeed days are enough food to make you feel like a binge eater. Myself, I am just trying to avoid the 6000 dollar surgery for my loose skin... my wife tells me I should have it done if it'll make me happy. What will make me happier is knowing I didn't need to go that route.

-Keith
 
I think I will too, so far, I've read the first two chapters (wish I could just sit down and read the whole thing but too many distractions around the holidays) but his writing style is just awesome. Kind of reminds me of you actually, very smarky. I love that shit.

I can see this doing wonders for set-point theory problems, just because it is unconventional and works the body systems synergistically against mechanisms that prevent single digit bf.
 
home is where the heart is -


my heart has left the building - was good for a pound or two loss.. that's soemthign that people should really consider when it comes to scale movement - get rid of some useless organs...
 
DP...got ya over here, copy! :)

I'm interested in hearing how things go for ya, with Lyle's method....I'll keep an eye & ear on ya!

Technically I'm one of Alan's clients....but I'm honestly not following his program. I meet with him about once per month, we weight, pinch, measure and then have lunch. I hammer him with questions, we discuss stuff and away I go. He openly tells me that of all his clients, I am by far and away the most "metabolically resistant" client he's ever had. I don't even want to begin to bother you with listening to my whacked & strange dieting issues. Keeping it short, I work harder then most anyone else, I eat right, maintain a deficit, move weights and do it all right...but progress is awkwards to say the least. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter....we don't have a choice about these things, so I just stay the course and progress comes.
 
DP...got ya over here, copy! :)

I'm interested in hearing how things go for ya, with Lyle's method....I'll keep an eye & ear on ya!

Technically I'm one of Alan's clients....but I'm honestly not following his program. I meet with him about once per month, we weight, pinch, measure and then have lunch. I hammer him with questions, we discuss stuff and away I go. He openly tells me that of all his clients, I am by far and away the most "metabolically resistant" client he's ever had. I don't even want to begin to bother you with listening to my whacked & strange dieting issues. Keeping it short, I work harder then most anyone else, I eat right, maintain a deficit, move weights and do it all right...but progress is awkwards to say the least. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter....we don't have a choice about these things, so I just stay the course and progress comes.

Just got done UD2 (well reading it, heh) and I was miserable just reading the fucking protocols! Jesus christ is it insane! However, all I need to do is sit down and write out the meals I will be eating, it's easier to do cookie cutter meals all planned out for the next week than it is to wing it like I do on a calorie counting diet. Nutrient partioning is fairly complicated but I think it requires routine...

Steve, I'd be very interested in reading your nutritional menu from when you did UD2 if you've posted it anywhere. I think my low calorie days will be somewhere around 1400 calories.
 
I don't think I posted it anywhere to be honest. Maybe I did in my journal but I'm not sure if you can search for three letter words such as UD2. It was very simplistic though, I remember that.
 
Thanks Steve, I can't search for 3 letter words, it's ok. I am thinking of going super simple. One ingredient meal choices... Chicken, Broccoli, Almonds for instance. It'll just seem to be easier for me. Maybe have that a few times a day...

Anyway, focusing on the here and now, the past 3 weeks, I've been eating at 3000 calories, and no weight gain (if anything, looking a bit tighter in the loose skin area), so I am going from 3000 to 3200 (body weight x 18 cals). I might have to end up going to 20 cals per lb but I don't want to think about that right now (3200 is getting a bit much lol, 3600 is going to be beast). On a side note, pushed up 225 lbs 3 times today on my 3rd set. Almost everything went up, I can match that with bent over rows (3 times at 225). The only thing I stayed the same at today was close grip bench (this shoulder injury is starting to irk me).
 
When I did the diet, I went extremely simply on the low cal days. I figured I don't feel like thinking about it and it's only a few days per week. After the refeeds, I wasn't too much caring about a couple low cal boring days.

Congrats on the 225.... that's good stuff. Something a lot of guys don't ever see.

What's the deal with the shoulder?
 
When I did the diet, I went extremely simply on the low cal days. I figured I don't feel like thinking about it and it's only a few days per week. After the refeeds, I wasn't too much caring about a couple low cal boring days.

Congrats on the 225.... that's good stuff. Something a lot of guys don't ever see.

What's the deal with the shoulder?

Thanks for the support. I can still feel like a pussy sometimes when I see guys get almost 3-4 plates up. I know it isn't a competition but I do feel like I am "weak" at times.

In due time... I'll get there.

My shoulder pain is weird, it feels like like I am losing power, sharpish pain, but not "stabbing", burning almost? I know I should be able to explain it better, but I can't. Ice and External rotations really help make it feel better.
 
Thanks for the support. I can still feel like a pussy sometimes when I see guys get almost 3-4 plates up. I know it isn't a competition but I do feel like I am "weak" at times.

Come to my gym. Or any gym in my area for that matter. Remember to think relatively. Shit, I'm probably the strongest bench presser in my current gym and I can't throw 8 plates up.

In due time... I'll get there.

I actually think I'm bouncing off my genetic limits in terms of bench pressing with a barbell. I might be able to squeak out a few more lbs on my max but at what cost?

It simply isn't worth it to me.

When I was younger I always wanted to be able to lift 225.

It was all about firing 4 plates up.

From there, my dream was to lift 315. But getting 6 plates up with my frame was something I didn't think possible.

By the time I actually achieved it, going much heavier simply wasn't important to me.

It was fun though.

Sorry for the random insights.

My shoulder pain is weird, it feels like like I am losing power, sharpish pain, but not "stabbing", burning almost? I know I should be able to explain it better, but I can't. Ice and External rotations really help make it feel better.

I know I have your email saved in my body improvements account but I'm too lazy to check. PM me your email addy so I can email you a rotator cuff program you should try.
 
Your right, I am coming off like a GYM RAT douche bag. I think I am more concerned with my size actually. I'd prefer to work up my size a lot (naturally of course, I've gotten a ton of recent offers since people have seen my bulk routine).

I am thinking ultimately I'd like to have a build that my body frame can handle and is flattering. I prefer to be able to still take out my own dick when I go to the restroom, but also get enough size for me to think "Nice".

I think getting into this "hobby" so late in the game has also put me at a disadvantage, I keep thinking, damn man, if I had started this shit in my early 20's, I'd be fucking ripped and shredded. I don't regret it, because the insight and life I've lived is rewarding enough and I am very happy, but what if's always tend to sneak up from time to time.

I like hearing about your reflection, it tends to put insight on my own current situation and the truth be told, you obviously know what your talking about, so getting it from you is considered the source in my book. I am not sure what kind of turn around time I should expect for size gains, my body hasn't been put through something this structured before, and I've never really gone "heavy" either. I expect too much maybe (beginner's gains) and 3 weeks have turned up almost nothing, but I am in this for a good 3 more months (we were talking about in the last month, switching up to dumbbells for various reasons).
 
Thanks for the RTC routine, I did it before my leg workout today as part of my warmup (without weights) and I find that the evening pain is almost non-existent (the icing and routine I think helped together). I will do it on Thursday with a 2 or 5 lb weight to test out the waters. Doing my stiff-leg deads at 225 (3x12) didn't even phase my shoulder.

If anyone else is interested I'd be more than willing to share it around.
 
think getting into this "hobby" so late in the game has also put me at a disadvantage, I keep thinking, damn man, if I had started this shit in my early 20's, I'd be fucking ripped and shredded
Shudda Cudda Wudda...

More than likely in your early 20s you weren't in the right place iin your head to make the changes you've made now...

As the old expression says - you are where you are... and every ends up where they are from a different point in their life...

You wil get where you want to be...
 
Thanks for the RTC routine, I did it before my leg workout today as part of my warmup (without weights) and I find that the evening pain is almost non-existent (the icing and routine I think helped together). I will do it on Thursday with a 2 or 5 lb weight to test out the waters. Doing my stiff-leg deads at 225 (3x12) didn't even phase my shoulder.

If anyone else is interested I'd be more than willing to share it around.

You're welcome.
 
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