Counting Calories > Exercise

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Carthonn

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Through my weight loss this has always held true. Counting calories is of far more importance than exercise.

Exercise will burn calories but a result of the physical exertion comes an increased appetite. So I think the best result you can get out of this is a level outcome.

What say you?
 
I say you are "doin it rong". I find after a vigorous exercise session I can hardly even think about food for a good 30-45 minutes. And I don't think I really eat any more as a result of it. You can google around and see- there is evidence to support that my experience is the norm.

As a matter of fact, while I agree that if you were going to either only count cals or exercise for weight loss that counting is the faster method, I disagree that it is the better method. You will lose muscle with the fat, and end up looking shabby at a smaller weight. I prefer to combine both for two reasons.

1.) I can gain strength while losing weight, and minimize the amount of muscle lost, with resistance training
2.) I am only looking for so much of a calorie deficit a day, and it is easier on me if I can eat more rather than less. So the more of a deficit I create through exercise, the less calories I have to cut, and the happier I am since I don't feel so restricted.


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p.s. Endorphines rock. That's your natural painkillers, usually released around the 20-30 minute mark. The name means endrogonous morphine. By which I mean, it is the natural substance that morphine is a replicant of. It's an awesome buzz (runner's high anyone?) that morphine copies, it's free, and it's legal. Let's see cutting cals do all that for me and still be safe.
 
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Sign my name to the above.

The whole "exercise makes you hungry, so exercise doesn't make you thin" has been done to death in the last 3 weeks, thanks to Time magazine. And it's just not true.
 
MGR said:
I say you are "doin it rong". I find after a vigorous exercise session I can hardly even think about food for a good 30-45 minutes. And I don't think I really eat any more as a result of it. You can google around and see- there is evidence to support that my experience is the norm.

As a matter of fact, while I agree that if you were going to either only count cals or exercise for weight loss that counting is the faster method, I disagree that it is the better method. You will lose muscle with the fat, and end up looking shabby at a smaller weight. I prefer to combine both for two reasons.

1.) I can gain strength while losing weight, and minimize the amount of muscle lost, with resistance training
2.) I am only looking for so much of a calorie deficit a day, and it is easier on me if I can eat more rather than less. So the more of a deficit I create through exercise, the less calories I have to cut, and the happier I am since I don't feel so restricted.


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p.s. Endorphines rock. That's your natural painkillers, usually released around the 20-30 minute mark. The name means endrogonous morphine. By which I mean, it is the natural substance that morphine is a replicant of. It's an awesome buzz (runner's high anyone?) that morphine copies, it's free, and it's legal. Let's see cutting cals do all that for me and still be safe.
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See I think your way off. You think the majority of people that are exercising are doing it for the purpose of muscle maintenance? I think the majority are doing it to speed up the weight loss. I think that's foolish.

I also think muscle maintenance while losing weight is foolish as well. You don't need the same amount of muscle on a 250 pound person as on a 155 pound person.

Exercise for weightloss is for suckers lol
 
Exercise/Weight training is extremely important.
Forget about just for weightloss, think about your overall HEALTH. For the rest of your life. Regular exercise deceases risks for so many things.

People who lose large amounts of weight without exercise look flabby. Why go through losing all that weight if you're going to look... well, mushy?

Currently exercise/weight training is helping me to lose weight. Once the weight is gone, I will continue to do it. I like it, it will help keep me healthy, and it gives me a sense of accomplishment everytime I complete a goal. I want to look 'fit' not just slimmer.

But hey if not doing exercise is your thing, you have fun with that.
 
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Jae0 said:
Exercise/Weight training is extremely important.
Forget about just for weightloss, think about your overall HEALTH. For the rest of your life. Regular exercise deceases risks for so many things.

People who lose large amounts of weight without exercise look flabby. Why go through losing all that weight if you're going to look... well, mushy?

Currently exercise/weight training is helping me to lose weight. Once the weight is gone, I will continue to do it. I like it, it will help keep me healthy, and it gives me a sense of accomplishment everytime I complete a goal. I want to look 'fit' not just slimmer.

But hey if not doing exercise is your thing, you have fun with that.
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Well I'd have to say that no matter what with significant weight loss over a certain amount of time will come with significant flab. It's just excess skin and only time can heal that. Unless you decide to use steroids or something which I do not endorse (surprising I know considering I'm being accused of being a troll by these nobodies/recipe section lurkers).

Anyway, now I'm not saying exercise is all bad. I just think, until you reach your goal weight, it's for suckers.
 
To the OP.

Madaam,

you are a giant and steaming pile of donkey vomit. Brush your teeth and learn to follow common sense. When Jae0 said "looking flabby" s/he meant "a bad ratio of fat-to-muscle". E.g. you are a smaller weight but still look awful cause the ratio is still the same. Not "saggy or baggy, as in an excess of skin". So basically you fail at fitness/weight loss AND reading (ya know, like a troll would). At least those nobodies and lurkers are operating over an elementary school-level of cogitation.

No ma'am, I will not explain to you what cogitation means. Go to whatever you stinky, unwashed europeans use for a search engine and learn something. Also, the longer you have your hands on the keyboard to spit venom and nonsense the cooler a certain part of my anatomy gets, so please put your hands back to work someplace helpful.

Ken

p.s. die in a fire please
 
Hahahaha, I just read what little diary you have here. You are obviously an expert on this stuff - with 5 whole journal posts in a year and what, 30 pounds lost in an entire year. Further, your journal starts off with you cutting cals to 1200 and doing exercise for weight loss.

I think (rather, I am almost certain) that you fucked up and decided the problem was with all the exercise, since you couldn't possibly make a single mistake, right?

Finally, 9 rep for 300+ posts seems pretty awful to me; like you never have anything positive to say. I'd go scrounge up other posts of yours to see how bad it is, but I am afraid of losing IQ points by reading your crap too much.
 
Ken Boomber said:
When Jae0 said "looking flabby" s/he meant "a bad ratio of fat-to-muscle". E.g. you are a smaller weight but still look awful cause the ratio is still the same. Not "saggy or baggy, as in an excess of skin".
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:iagree:
Glad it made sense to someone!
Mushy Mushy Mushy!

And Steroids... lol. No one does steroids just to tone up. Wtf. People do steroids to get huge muscles. No ones talking about huge muscles.

Im trying to find a visual aid.
 
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Jae0 said:
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Glad it made sense to someone!
Mushy Mushy Mushy!

And Steroids... lol. No one does steroids just to tone up. Wtf. People do steroids to get huge muscles. No ones talking about huge muscles.

Im trying to find a visual aid.
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If you are flabby because of massive weightloss no amount of toning will help.

Honestly, do you want a clown like that dude to back up your point?
 
If you are flabby because of massive weightloss no amount of toning will help
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You're right only in the sense that there's no such thing as "toning".

If you are flabby from weight loss, then building muscle WILL help. Absolutely. 100%.
 
Yeah it all means the same thing to me. Definition.

I just dont see why someone would want to take even longer to get a great body when you can do the two things at once. Exercise and watch what you eat. The two compliment eachother, you'll see better results and its good for you. But i'm repeating myself.
 
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Ken Boomber said:
Hahahaha, I just read what little diary you have here. You are obviously an expert on this stuff - with 5 whole journal posts in a year and what, 30 pounds lost in an entire year. Further, your journal starts off with you cutting cals to 1200 and doing exercise for weight loss.

I think (rather, I am almost certain) that you fucked up and decided the problem was with all the exercise, since you couldn't possibly make a single mistake, right?

Finally, 9 rep for 300+ posts seems pretty awful to me; like you never have anything positive to say. I'd go scrounge up other posts of yours to see how bad it is, but I am afraid of losing IQ points by reading your crap too much.
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I have no idea what to say to this. I think you have the wrong person LOL.
 
KaraCooks said:
You're right only in the sense that there's no such thing as "toning".

If you are flabby from weight loss, then building muscle WILL help. Absolutely. 100%.
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Indeed. And you can only build muscle after weight loss when you are not in a calorie deficit.
 
Indeed. And you can only build muscle after weight loss when you are not in a calorie deficit.
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Unless you are very overweight and/or badly out of shape to begin with. Then it is actually possible to build muscle while in a deficit.

And, even more, it's also possible to build some muscle in a calorie deficit *if* you are eating sufficient amounts of protein.

Regardless, you can *maintain* existing muscle while eating in a calorie deficit by adding weight lifting and / or body resistance work to your efforts while dieting. That way you insure that you lose maximum fat and minimum lean muscle.
 
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