Conventional Weight Training Destroys Athleticism and Leads to Sports Injuries

Sports Lab, founded and operated by renowned athlete, NFL scout and athletic trainer Marv Marinovich, is demonstrating to the sports world that conventional weight training not only helps cause injury, but actually destroys athleticism.

Injuries from conventional weight training and the competitive impairment it causes, i.e. training athleticism out of athletes is acutely important to adolescents, who are in their formative years and skeletally immature. The danger is that these kids are being pushed into conventional weight training programs. This is compounded by the fact that most of these kids have not been given the chance to develop a proper foundational base. Parents are being enlisted to challenge conventional weight training to identify the science upon which their methodology is based. At Sports Lab, the contention is that there is no corroborating science connecting conventional weight training to athleticism.

Marv Marinovich, as Head Scout and Sports Performance coach for Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders, conducted an intensive, comprehensive field study regarding elite athletes and the factors that contribute to athleticism. After testing thousands of athletes at every major university in the country, Marv discovered the importance of the central nervous system as it related to sports performance.

Marv's study revealed that the athletes who held the records in the weight room played the least, were hurt the most and were never the best athlete in terms of speed, quickness, agility and lateral movement, dispelling the theory that the person who could lift the most weight was the superior athlete.

“Muscles simply contract and relax. That's it. The nervous system controls everything—limb speed, power, agility, grace, body integration, timing, rhythm, balance and coordination. These elements define athleticism. The tragedy is that conventional weight training completely ignores the nervous system” states Marv Marinovich. “Our methods, field tested for over 20 years, help cause a reduction in the incidence, and decrease in the severity of sports injuries through the combination of creating muscular equilibrium with rapidly imposed loading to strengthen muscles and, as importantly, strengthen connective tissue, tendons and ligaments.”

“Genetically gifted athletes excel in sports in spite of their conventional weight training regimens—not because of them. Conventional weight training depreciates athleticism because the rate of force production is too slow. The ability to lift or move a heavy weight slowly, is a different motor function than the ability to move at a high rate of speed---which sport demands. The two disciplines enlist completely different neurological components,” continued Mr. Marinovich

Sports Lab has proven, through the training of hundreds of elite athletes such as Tyson Chandler, Jason Giambi, Steve Finley et al. that the nervous system, which includes motor control, motor sensitivity, balance, kinesthetic awareness and proprioception, needs to be stimulated in order to be improved. This can only be achieved by a progressively challenging modality that includes instability and infinitely varied degrees of difficulty. By developing the nervous system, athletes who train at Sports Lab gain an increase in athleticism.

Gavin MacMillan, former professional tennis player and biomechanics specialist at Sports Lab, added “Weight Training is counter productive to the speed of muscle contraction, because it puts muscle(s) under tension and then requires slow movement either pushing or pulling”.

“What dominates athleticism, and sport, is the speed of muscle contraction and the ability to store and use elastic energy. The speed of muscular contraction diminishes as the weight increases. Conventional resistance systems ignore this fact” concluded Mr. MacMillan.

Functional strength requires an integrative, multi-joint action which equals or exceeds the competitive requirements for speed, power, quickness and time taken to apply force. The conclusion one must come to is that to be an elite athlete; the time taken to apply force must be as short as possible. The discussion concerning the amount of weight an individual lifts is irrelevant since light loads can be accelerated much faster than heavier ones.

At Sports Lab, they prove every day that it's not the size of the muscles; it's the ability to apply force at a faster rate that determines the better athlete. In fact, as the speed at which direct force is applied increases---the importance of muscle mass and size decreases. A prime example is Troy Polamalu all star safety for the Pittsburgh Steelers, who uses Marv as his personal trainer.

After 40-years playing, scouting and training sports, Marv notes that conventional weight training actually promotes injury, by creating muscle imbalance throughout the body. The use of heavy loads compromise and dangerously stretch ligaments, tendons and cartilage in all the joints. Every physical structure from a building to a human being has weight limitations which, when exceeded, lead to damage. Sports injuries to the ACL, MCL, PCL, meniscus, labrum and spine are currently occurring during training---Marv says because of training—at epidemic proportions. The proper way to strengthen tendons and ligaments, which is inherent in the Sports Lab methodology, is to apply light loads rapidly---the opposite of conventional weight training methods.

Conventional weight training conditions the brain that more tension produces better sports performance. It teaches a person to pump out that extra rep with all their might—which shows in the contortion and strain on their face. In fact, the opposite is true. The ability to relax and fire muscles at the highest rate of speed produces the greatest sports performance.

The distinguishing characteristic of Marv's training is that in order to overcome the neurological system's tendency to stagnate in its responses, it is essential to optimally challenge the body. This is accomplished with the systematic and sequential progressive introduction of protocols with greater stimulus. The resulting superior nervous system function is the critical component which produces dramatic improvement in sports speed, power, quickness, grace, sports-specific skill and overall athleticism.
 
Weight Training Destroys Athleticism

Hi! I posted the above article because I found it to be very interesting! Goes against conventional wisdom, so I was intrigued. Please give me some feedback and opinions on why you agree/disagree with the article.
 
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I understand where the article is coming from but I would say calling weight training where high weight numbers are the goal is more unconventional. That ego crap about 1000 lb squats etc is and only should be for the power athlete training for that type of event. The performance athlete who trains for strength and endurance benefits greatly from sport specific weight lifting routines.

I am a big promoter of crossfit training and body weight exercises especially for young athletes in the development stages. Well designed weight training routines are essential for the athlete who may not be blessed with the genetics of other more gifted ones. Injuries occur but to blame them on conventional weight training is short sighted.

Plus it's the Raiders!! 11 consecutive loosing seasons and counting Mr Davis.
 
yeah I sort of agree with the study but not entirly, I mean since I've started training with weights I've seen my performance improve in both rugby and triathlon, mind I've been training with medium weights and medium reps but at speed
 
too long to read the entire thing, but his method is all wrong. He just looked at time spent in the gym, not time spent wisely in the gym. A lot of college athletes are super bros in the gym and don't do anything right.
 
Karky, you are officially the "man" for saying that. I go to a gym right next to a college and it is so frustrating to see what these guys are doing. Not to mention the narcissistic fools who can't keep their eyes off the mirror when they happen to be in front of it. I have a large hang up with these people as they train for vanity rather than practicality. Ashame. However, good comment Kark.
 
"Marv's study revealed that the athletes who held the records in the weight room played the least, were hurt the most and were never the best athlete in terms of speed, quickness, agility and lateral movement, dispelling the theory that the person who could lift the most weight was the superior athlete."

Very stupid indeed. Have they accounted for the weight of these "athletes" that are setting these "records in the weight room"? I couldn't tell you because the artical certainly does not. This is certainly relative to "speed, quickness, agility and lateral movement" as a 350 pound center is going to move much slower than a 200 pound reciever.

Plus, it is contradictory here.
“Muscles simply contract and relax. That's it. The nervous system controls everything—limb speed, power, agility, grace, body integration, timing, rhythm, balance and coordination. These elements define athleticism. The tragedy is that conventional weight training completely ignores the nervous system."

Let's look at the first sentence. Are they saying that when these athletes are doing something agility related that their muscles aren't contracting? Furthermore, if the nervouse system is responsible for limb speed, power, timing/rhythm, balance and coordination, then I would certainly say that a power clean is relative to all these attributes of our nervous system.

Finally, this "research" has seemed to been conducted largely off of somone's bias. Of course an athlete is going to prosper more from practicing the same motion. The brain just adapts and learns to be highly functional as you practice one thing more often. For instance, I would certainly say sprinters prosper more from practicing sprinting than lifting weight. But I would also say that explosive lifting is extremely similiar to sprinting as it too is explosive. And sure, weight lifting will cause muscle imbalances. But these are for, like Kark said, the morons in the gym who do not know what they're doing. Just because somone is smart enough to get into a good college does not mean they retain the knowledge of proper lifting.
 
Appreciate all the feedback!

Thanks for all the feedback, everybody! I understand that the guy's methodology has gotten some pretty good results with Troy Polamalu and Julia Juliusson. I'm always interested in hearing all sides of an argument!
 
By 'conventional' dopes he mean 'dumb & ignoring the basic principals of training'?

Any strength & conditioning coach or personal trainer who follows the basic rules will be training athletes using a well structured, periodized training program, which is highly specific to each athlete depending on the requirements of the sport & position they play in.

"the distinguishing characteristic of Marv's training is that in order to overcome the neurological system's tendency to stagnate in its responses, it is essential to optimally challenge the body. This is accomplished with the systematic and sequential progressive introduction of protocols with greater stimulus."

Is this guy for real? progressive overload is the #1 principal on which all athletic training is based. make the body do more than it's used to (heavier, faster, balance longer etc.) for a couple of weeks and it adapts, so you increase/modify the training stimulus. this is the first thing a trainer or coach learns.

I can't believe there can be that many bad coaches out there that Marv's approach is considered 'unconventional'!!
 
I think some people just like to come to some controversial conclusions to get a bit of attention and to get noticed.

His research seems weak at best, he wasn't looking at how these people trained at all, just how often and what numbers they were making.

And what theory exists that the person who can lift the most weight will make the best athlete? I've never heard of that, in fact I'd say that common perception was the exact opposite and all he has done is say what most people already thought.

In all, the guy sounds like he did some half baked research and put no thought process into looking at 'why?'. What makes the guys who lift the most become injured more often? Is it their form? Do they train too frequently? Is it stress of tehir increased muscle weight on their joints? It's far too vague to be useful for anyone
 
A couple of problems with this article:
1. he specifically says it is about "elite athletes", and then specifies college football players.So first if it is about eleite athletes, that menas it has little to do with the other 99.9% of us average joes. Second, I would argue that college football players, even though they are the top 1% of the high school football players, still are 90% not elite athletes, since only about 10% of them are good enough to get to the pros, who are the truely "elite athletes".
2. Nobody does just weight training and nothing else. No football team at any level just goes to the weight room, and only practices "functional strength" during actual games. They all do all kinds of functional strenght stuff in varying levels compared to the time they spend lifting weights, most doing a lot more functional stuff during the season and a lot more weight lifting during the off season. Plus, you can't be an NFL lineman if you weigh less than 300 pounds now days, and you don't get to be 300 pounds and still capable of running a sub 4 second 40 yard dash without a lot of hip and leg strength. Most college athletes gain that extra 50-100 pounds they need to get to the basic level they need to be to compete at that level through a combination of basic compound lifts with progressive resistance and eating lots and a few enhancing substances.
 
First of all, I don't see that they ever define "conventional weight training." If you don't have a definition as a frame of reference, it is impossible to create a scientific argument.

Second, what D1 sports program, or professional sports program doesn't incorporate some mode of strength training into their regimen?

I agree in mobility and coordination over brute strength when it comes to athletic conditioning, but this "study" is just retarded.

Jake
 
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Wrong on so many areas, I don't even know where to start, but it sounds like most of the other posters covered most of it. There is SO much research on the topic that contradicts this article that it's not really even worth discussing.
 
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