Chinups vs. pullups

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I've never really been clear about the difference between chinups and pullups, other than pullups are supposed to be "harder".

There's a poster in my gym about them but it doesn't really explain it. It just says they "work the same muscles, but at difference proportions" but doesn't elaborate at all.

Which muscles get worked hardest with each one?
 
lats will be worked the hardest no matter. Chinups hit the biceps a bit more, though. There is, however, an ever lasting debate about which one is best for back development.. just try both, see what you like. More often than not, using both can be very benificial.
 
Pull up -

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chin up -

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Pull ups are easier and chin ups should be used as a progression after pull ups.
 
I don't agree with Streamline's post... However, he is an Aussie and they prolly have different names and ideas for similar exercises.

I have always trained chin-ups as hands supinated and pull-ups have hands pronated. There are variations (close-grip, wide-grip, shoulder-width, etc...) but the hand orientation is what determines which move you are doing.

I find that during wide-grip pull-ups my wrists end-up sore along with my back and bi's. Also, chin-ups feel a tad tougher in my forearms.

Like Karky mentioned, try them all and figure out which ones you dig!

-Rip
 
Chin ups are when plams are facing you, pull ups are when palms are away streamline.

Right on, Phate.

The first photo...I believe illustrates the palms-away grip, however, the picture is of an inverted row, a very underestimated exercise. The 2nd picture, is the traditional pull-up, NOT chin-up.

Anyhoo, Karky and Lei are 100% correct on which target what.
 
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In america, pull up is when your palms facing away from your body, and a chin up is when your palms facing toward your body.

In terms of which one is harder, the pull up works your back muscles while the chin up works your bicep muscles. It all depends on how far apart your arms are but in general they target the same area for pull/chin ups.

Most people do the pull up incorrectly. In that photo that streamline posted, the first dude on the bench is doing an assisted pull up done by people unable to do a full pull up (sort of, in the photo it appears as if he's holding onto a towel??? wtf). As the bottom picture, it is a photo on proper pull up grips. The guy on the left, who has his thumbs around the bar is doing the pull up incorrectly as he's putting strain on his forearm. The guy on the right is doing the proper pull up as it will not strain the forearm which results in early failure.
 
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k, this hasn't turned into a ****storm yet, which is wrong! So I'll start.

Do wide pullups actually work the lats better, or does it just feel like that due to the crappy mechanic situation you get put in?
Will narrow work the lats more by stretching the lats better in the bottom position and by providing better ROM?
Does a thumbless grip take your biceps out of it, or is the way in which thumbless grip makes pullups harder simply due to the fact that you won't be able to hold on as good with that grip?
Are chinups actually better for back development than pullups because you can use more weight and thus better stimuls? Or do they move the stimuls too much to the biceps for optimal back development?

May the storm begin.
 
In america, pull up is when your palms facing away from your body, and a chin up is when your palms facing toward your body.

In terms of which one is harder, the pull up works your back muscles while the chin up works your bicep muscles. It all depends on how far apart your arms are but in general they target the same area for pull/chin ups.

Most people do the pull up incorrectly. In that photo that streamline posted, the first dude on the bench is doing an assisted pull up done by people unable to do a full pull up (sort of, in the photo it appears as if he's holding onto a towel??? wtf). As the bottom picture, it is a photo on proper pull up grips. The guy on the left, who has his thumbs around the bar is doing the pull up incorrectly as he's putting strain on his forearm. The guy on the right is doing the proper pull up as it will not strain the forearm which results in early failure.

you mean you're not supposed to hook your thumbs around the bar?? i've always been told to be sure to do just that
 
As the bottom picture, it is a photo on proper pull up grips. The guy on the left, who has his thumbs around the bar is doing the pull up incorrectly as he's putting strain on his forearm. The guy on the right is doing the proper pull up as it will not strain the forearm which results in early failure.

I don't see how not using your thumb removes a noticaeable amount of stress from the forearms from the lift... I mean you still use your forearms since you still have to grip the bar

Where did you read that u should use a thumbless grip for pullups?
 
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Do wide pullups actually work the lats better, or does it just feel like that due to the crappy mechanic situation you get put in?

No better, no worse. Just different.

Will narrow work the lats more by stretching the lats better in the bottom position and by providing better ROM?

Again, not better, different.

Does a thumbless grip take your biceps out of it,

No.

or is the way in which thumbless grip makes pullups harder simply due to the fact that you won't be able to hold on as good with that grip?

Thumb-less grip does not necessarily make the pull-up harder. In my experience, using a thumb-less grip or a full grip is a matter of preference and has no real bearing on how well a pull-up can be performed.

I like the thumb-less grip, it is more comfertable for me. Others may find a full grip more comfertable. Again, just a preference.

Are chinups actually better for back development than pullups because you can use more weight and thus better stimuls?

Who said more weight can be used with chin-ups? This is also something that will vary from person to person.

In terms of which one is harder, the pull up works your back muscles while the chin up works your bicep muscles.

Both types of pull-ups train both the back and biceps. Even then, the extent that biceps are used or not used depends a great amount on the skill level of the person doing the exercise.

The guy on the left, who has his thumbs around the bar is doing the pull up incorrectly as he's putting strain on his forearm. The guy on the right is doing the proper pull up as it will not strain the forearm which results in early failure.

If you are hanging by your hands, there is strain on the forearms. Their job is to help us hang on to things. Using a thumb-less or full grip does not change that, but like everything, there are differences with the way muscles are recruited when using different grips.

There is, however, an ever lasting debate about which one is best for back development.

I never quite understand when the "pull-up debate" comes around.

Why would anyone want to narrow down to only one type?

Would variety in the style of pull-up not be better than training only one type?

Do we do only bench press, cutting out dumbbells, inclines, push-ups and every other bench exercise?

Do we only squat, never doing a front squat, overhead squat, or single leg squat?

Different types of pull-ups are just like different types of squats or bench presses.
 
I don't see how not using your thumb removes a noticaeable amount of stress from the forearms from the lift... I mean you still use your forearms since you still have to grip the bar

Where did you read that u should use a thumbless grip for pullups?

Try it yourself one day. Do the finger wrap, and try the pull up. Then the next day, try it without the finger wrap and see how much better you do.

I saw it in the Navy SEALs fitness test. I was doing the pull up, and someone came to me and told me to not wrap the finger around. I noticed a huge increase in pull up feel and amount.
 
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