Chillen and Oldspice's convo. Moved

For most not in the KNOW, I would tend to agree with this statement--only in the sense of the person not understanding what is happening when viewing feedback from their own bodies, but not in the sense of real world fat loss (keeping things equal).

For the few that are in the KNOW and well adversed in the role Creatine plays when weight training, and its side effects (such as with Mono, with "some" people), then there isn't a problem.

Simply put, Creatine isn't going to inhibit fat loss.

The problem lies in EDUCATION. Just simply understanding what you are consuming, and this can sometimes "muddy a persons water" and "they cannot see through the mud".

I have answered many posts on persons complaining on weight gain when taking Creatine, and its these that probably "shouldn't" take Creatine because of their lack of education, and providing too much confusion among trying to figure out their personal diet and fitness puzzle to see what is--and--what is not working for them. They simply get confused.

What should (IMO), be occurring is one's continued pursuit of understanding in the RAW and BASIC fundamentals of diet and fitness, and applying this in their life. Such as constructing an appropriate diet that fits their personal fitness goals, constructing a routine, and fitting these basic rules of engagement within their lifestyle, and leave the water as "unmuddy" as possible (this is true--for the "average" fat loss seeker).

Adhering to a "restriction" in diet can be difficult for a lot of persons seeking weight loss, without adding in Creatine into the mix among an "uneducated observer". So, yes, there may be times, I would simply not recommend Creatine--for these types of reasons. Creatine simply will not "fit" some persons.

I want to touch upon this Calories IN versus Calories OUT--equation. For most, trying to lose weight......this can be the "BASIC ROOT" of the problem (not withstanding other personal lifestyle factors).

However, with some that are more advanced (so-to-speak), and education is (say) above average, then......its MORE THAN THIS.

To prove that it CAN BE more than Calories IN versus Calories OUT, lets use me as an example. I am an average 47 year old male (with no known biological or hormonal problems). I carb-cycle on a regular basis. Additionally, I have taken calculated and educated risks when studying certain diet criteria, to see how my body responds to different manipulation of diet (and food). With this said, after completing a very low carb period, and performing glucose depleting workouts, I can consume well over 1,000 calories in excess of my Maintenance Line, and feel leaner and meaner than before. Why is this taking place? It is primarily due to the fact that we store a certain amount of calories in our bodies for glucose storage, and a large majority of the calories consumed are being used for this purpose. If it is done wisely and reasonably, one can consume over, and be just fine. During the low carb period, I can look flat, dry, and some cases "drawn-out". But, man....when the water comes back in when carbing up, the definition is greater and seems to have a peak period.

This is one reason I tried Creatine during the carb up period.

I was simply experimenting with myself. I knew before hand that when I started to carbUP that I would retain water (this is what I wanted), but wanted to see if I would retain even more when taking Creatine---at this "specific time frame of timing it", and just see what it would do in the appearance sense. I ended up gaining a "net" gain of 2 pounds of additional water--approximately, and just looked great, IMO. I swelled up like a friggen balloon (all over, and GAINED definition).

I cannot blanket everyone. However, with the right person (just say average with no known complications), one can eat in excess and not gain "tissue" weight---through the power of manipulating the almighty macro nutrients--reasonably, and timely. Therefore when you add in a calorie manipulation AND macro nutrient manipulation, it can be damn powerful.

So, sometimes......its more than just calorie IN versus calorie OUT, with the "correct person".

By the way, I still believe 1500c is too low for you. ;)


Best regards,

Chillen

lol, i know you think it's too low. I'm going to experiment and see what happens. If i continue to lose one pound a week, I'm doing something right. :beerchug: If i lose more than that, something is wrong. :angry2:

Personally, i don't think I'll start losing muscle since I'm increasing weights in the gym...Also, i thought you only started losing muscle when your body was starving for food? For instance, the dreaded "starvation mode" people talk about. Although, this doesn't happen unless you consume less than 50% of your BMR, which would be under 825 calories a day for me...I'm well over that. :costumed5:
 
lol, i know you think it's too low. I'm going to experiment and see what happens. If i continue to lose one pound a week, I'm doing something right. :beerchug: If i lose more than that, something is wrong. :angry2:

Personally, i don't think I'll start losing muscle since I'm increasing weights in the gym...Also, i thought you only started losing muscle when your body was starving for food? For instance, the dreaded "starvation mode" people talk about. Although, this doesn't happen unless you consume less than 50% of your BMR, which would be under 825 calories a day for me...I'm well over that. :costumed5:

What is a calorie deficit, Old Spice? Keeping things equal, do you honestly think the body takes only from fat when faced with a deficit? There is no doubt that some can gain strength and muscle in a deficit, but after a while the body will adapt, and diminishing returns will result--from this sub-optimal environment.

In its most "basic" terms when you calorie deficit, you are forcing the body to feed on itself for dinner. The size of this plate can depend on many personal factors.

Basically you are not consuming enough food (right?), to force weight reduction (right?); this is theoretically "appropriately" (if you will) starving the body (through an appropriate deficit in calories) to force tissue loss.

While there are a few (for example: new to weight training, genetically/biologically gifted), that can gain muscle/lose fat issue at the same time (in a calorie deficit), this is "generally" not the norm, because when calorie deficiting (especially LARGE deficits) this creates a sub-optimal muscle growth environment--though training with weights gives the body "a reason" to keep the muscle it has, and can "reduce" muscle loss severity. With a new person, it can last from a few weeks to several months, but most would agree that post this new period, it is not an optimal environment for muscle growth, and one really needs to be WISE in the calorie range choices........


Providing a calorie deficit (or deprivation) IS starving the body, Old Spice.

And, speaking in terms of a person wanting to get to extremely low body fat (where other dieting attempts failed to reduce the last portion), I can see resorting to some lower caloric ranges (with manipulation of macro nutrients lower than normal, for example carbohydrates, increasing Protein and fats). Some simply have to resort to a certain level of severity in their diet to solicit a response they want (especially going low in body fat), while others do not have to. YOU ARE NOT IN THIS POSITION.

Additionally, it is wrong to "blanket" the so-called Starvation-mode to 50% of one's calorie consumption. Many personal factors can be involved in the body's adaptive response to diet and exercise.


1500 Calories is too LOW, Old Spice. :) ;)---at the present time, "with what I know of you", I still think its low. This could change, but at present, I do not feel that way.

I just read a post of yours, where you are 5' 7" and 149. Do you have a current pic, or did I miss you posting this? Do you like your present physique, and wanting to dip to lower BF, and having trouble getting rid of the last stubborn portion?


Oh......(on a side note), how many calories burned sitting at a PC (average 150 to 160 pound person): 120c per hour. (if heavier, it can be more).

Given this, how may calories you think you burn (keeping things equal), in a half-hour on a bike (doing cardio)? Given your weight, age, hgt, etc?

Oh.......Merry Christmas, my friend.....

Best regards,

Chillen
 
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What is a calorie deficit, Old Spice? Keeping things equal, do you honestly think the body takes only from fat when faced with a deficit? There is no doubt that some can gain strength and muscle in a deficit, but after a while the body will adapt, and diminishing returns will result--from this sub-optimal environment.

In its most "basic" terms when you calorie deficit, you are forcing the body to feed on itself for dinner. The size of this plate can depend on many personal factors.

Basically you are not consuming enough food (right?), to force weight reduction (right?); this is theoretically "appropriately" (if you will) starving the body (through an appropriate deficit in calories) to force tissue loss.

While there are a few (for example: new to weight training, genetically/biologically gifted), that can gain muscle/lose fat issue at the same time (in a calorie deficit), this is "generally" not the norm, because when calorie deficiting (especially LARGE deficits) this creates a sub-optimal muscle growth environment--though training with weights gives the body "a reason" to keep the muscle it has, and can "reduce" muscle loss severity. With a new person, it can last from a few weeks to several months, but most would agree that post this new period, it is not an optimal environment for muscle growth, and one really needs to be WISE in the calorie range choices........


Providing a calorie deficit (or deprivation) IS starving the body, Old Spice.

And, speaking in terms of a person wanting to get to extremely low body fat (where other dieting attempts failed to reduce the last portion), I can see resorting to some lower caloric ranges (with manipulation of macro nutrients lower than normal, for example carbohydrates, increasing Protein and fats). Some simply have to resort to a certain level of severity in their diet to solicit a response they want (especially going low in body fat), while others do not have to. YOU ARE NOT IN THIS POSITION.

Additionally, it is wrong to "blanket" the so-called Starvation-mode to 50% of one's calorie consumption. Many personal factors can be involved in the body's adaptive response to diet and exercise.


1500 Calories is too LOW, Old Spice. :) ;)---at the present time, "with what I know of you", I still think its low. This could change, but at present, I do not feel that way.

I just read a post of yours, where you are 5' 7" and 149. Do you have a current pic, or did I miss you posting this? Do you like your present physique, and wanting to dip to lower BF, and having trouble getting rid of the last stubborn portion?


Oh......(on a side note), how many calories burned sitting at a PC (average 150 to 160 pound person): 120c per hour. (if heavier, it can be more).

Given this, how may calories you think you burn (keeping things equal), in a half-hour on a bike (doing cardio)? Given your weight, age, hgt, etc?

Oh.......Merry Christmas, my friend.....

Best regards,

Chillen

Merry Christmas to you too. :sport:

I never claimed you would lose just fat on a deficit. Your body burns alcohol, carbs, then fat. It's the last and hardest thing to go, but being on a deficit is the main thing you have to do in order to burn it. All I'm saying is that i gain weight eating 2400 calories a day, i did it for a month...I don't gain weight eating about 2000 a day. I stay about normal. This is with my workout routine...Which is why i don't understand how 1500 calories a day is too low for me? If i bump up to 2000 a day, i won't lose weight...So, what do you suggest? I don't get it...

No, i am not happy with my physique at all. I want a low body fat to have abs. I've been improving, but it is very hard work. If you have any advice to give me, please do so. This will help me from figuring all this out...I'll show you two pics that i do have and yes i already posted them.

Well, according to a standard BMR i should burn about 1600 a day, but is this accurate? (maybe) It could be possible i would burn 1600 at rest and then with working out and daily activities it would put me around 2000, maybe a bit more. Cut that to 1500 and you have a 500 calorie deficit and should lose 1lb a week, which i am...In the gym I'm not burning more than 150 calories...

I must be somewhat on the right track, because i have lost body fat, yet my chest and arms are bigger, which is weird...I expected to get smaller everywhere. Family and friends have asked me if i've been lifting...

Here are two pics. Like i said, i all i really want is visible abs, that's my goal. I've always wanted a good set of visual abs and now i'm determined. Please, elaborate on your method for me to achieve this and i will take it into consideration and give it a try. :sport:
 
Merry Christmas to you too. :sport:

I never claimed you would lose just fat on a deficit.

Fair enough ;)

Your body burns alcohol, carbs, then fat.

It's not as simple as this, Old Spice. One simply cannot simply deduce the body's firing order (if you will), like this--especially when considering the diversity in the general public. Additionally, you left out the body's ability to use protein (conversion) as a source of fuel in your erroneous firing order.

It's the last and hardest thing to go, but being on a deficit is the main thing you have to do in order to burn it.

Fat is NOT necessarily the hardest and last thing to go, it can simply depend on many personal factors (such as: how high/low body fat is, diet trend history, bodily adaption, and personal particulars relating to hormones, and personal biological efficiency). Persons with a high body fat, can have difficulty losing weight because of some internal biological complications. With this said, it is also true that (a normal healthy human being) with high body fat (who has not trained or dieted before), will have high "odds" of reacting very STRONG to a deficit diet with fitness activities included--primarily due to the new stresses being applied (deficit diet, and training being the new stresses). On the flip side, one with lower body fat can have some difficulty trying to lose the last few pounds of the body's "coveted" body fat. This is not to leave out complications in between ones goal: Starting out with high body fat and say (plateauing in the process of losing tissue) in route to their personal goal (as an example).


All I'm saying is that i gain weight eating 2400 calories a day, i did it for a month.
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Did what for a month? This doesn't tell me anything. In order to properly assess this 2400 calorie consumption, one would have to assess your activities and some other personal particulars.

I can gain weight on 2400 calories too, and rather simply and terribly fast, if I do not watch what I put in my mouth--and do not correspond fitness activities properly. If activities are LOW (such as no employment work, no workout being performed, and loitering around the house), ones MT-Line isn't going to sway too far from the base need--it will be fairly close, but still above it.

For me this would be about 1600 (base need), and 2,090 (MT-Line). When I lost the majority of my weight, and these parameters were known (such as no employment work nor workout performed), I did not drop below 1600 calories--even at this time. I would drop to about 1700c-1800c, but NEVER below 1600c--when speaking in terms of straight deficits (and not factoring in my dietary cycles and other manipulations I performed).

If I wanted a greater deficit, I would then add in an activity such as cardio (on my bike, as an example). Though the consumption level is at 1700-1800c (200 to 300 calculated deficit--at the no activity MT-Line), the deficit becomes greater because the MT-Line gets moved (manipulated), but the food consumption is can remain the same-------or if I wish eat a tad more--dependent.

You understand what I mean, here?

I am terribly methodical with my calories; however, I began with a base understanding, and adjusted to feedback.

Bare in mind, I am the same height as you, and last year, I was near a comparable weight as you (152/154), so as far as the calories needed for this weight and hgt, I have a general good idea (with understanding the obvious differences such as age, as an one example).

I will be the first one to tell you (and have stated this in posts before), that in general I do not like the "blanket" of calories that Benedict (or other types of calorie approximators) give, because they can be off a tad.

For example: If one were to use a blanket multiplier (of whatever) and it says one needs (AS AN EXAMPLE!!), 2600 calories, working out X-times per week, what about the work out "off days"--where no workout is completed?

Isn't calories generally lower, because their is no work out activity? Couldn't one over consume calories on these "type of days?" the answer (IMO), is yes they can. It is primarily due to the fact that the MT-Line changes because---activity is LOWER with no workout being performed.


I don't gain weight eating about 2000 a day. I stay about normal. This is with my workout routine

Again, this isn't really telling me anything--not really. The base need is an approximation just to breathe, etc, etc, and does not take into account activities (and for some persons biological deficiencies, etc,etc). This base would not include activities such as: going out with friends, school activities, and workouts. Now, if you are saying that with your workout (and other activities) you are just burning an added 400 calories per day, this is where I am having a problem. This assumes the base is accurate within say 100 calories (- or + 100 calories).

What is your routine like? What do you do for work? Or are you in school?
How many times per week do you workout? What are your rest days? Do you seem to be sensitive to certain types of carbohydrates?

In order to properly assess a suggested criteria for you, things need to get spelled out--specifically, and not in generalities.

No, i am not happy with my physique at all. I want a low body fat to have abs. I've been improving, but it is very hard work. If you have any advice to give me, please do so. This will help me from figuring all this out...I'll show you two pics that i do have and yes i already posted them.

IMO, in order to improve your core, one is stuck with their genetic limitations, and what they are willing to do (and some cases sacrifice) in diet.

IMO, you do need a little more muscle on your frame (thus making calories an important topic for you), and going TOO LOW in calories is detrimental to this goal--and yes, as little as a couple hundred calories can make a difference. I do want to apologize. Within my post, it is fairly obvious, that I think you are inaccurately assessing yourself. This is primarily due, that many on the forum have (not all, but some new ones). It could be your base line is higher or lower, and given some of your efficiencies and deficiencies (biologically within), you could be right with some of your UPPER limit calorie projections reference your MT-Line. However, in order to properly assess this, we need to look at your lifestyle, and other personal particulars. This is why I am not satisfied, with you wanting to eat at 1500 calories,,,,,,and that your specs are (hgt, ect), are VERY CLOSE to my own.

Well, according to a standard BMR i should burn about 1600 a day, but is this accurate? (maybe) It could be possible i would burn 1600 at rest and then with working out and daily activities it would put me around 2000, maybe a bit more.

This is assuming you are burning 400c with your current workout, but what about employment and/or school activities on top of this workout? What about......when you do not workout, nor have employment/school activities? Does this factor in any calories changes in your opinion? :)

How long have you been fitness training? In what sort of trends are you assessing your bodily feed back? How long of periods, etc, etc. What is your current routine like?


Best wishes

Chillen
 
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Fair enough ;)



It's not as simple as this, Old Spice. One simply cannot simply deduce the body's firing order (if you will), like this--especially when considering the diversity in the general public. Additionally, you left out the body's ability to use protein (conversion) as a source of fuel in your erroneous firing order.



Fat is NOT necessarily the hardest and last thing to go, it can simply depend on many personal factors (such as: how high/low body fat is, diet trend history, bodily adaption, and personal particulars relating to hormones, and personal biological efficiency). Persons with a high body fat, can have difficulty losing weight because of some internal biological complications. With this said, it is also true that (a normal healthy human being) with high body fat (who has not trained or dieted before), will have high "odds" of reacting very STRONG to a deficit diet with fitness activities included--primarily due to the new stresses being applied (deficit diet, and training being the new stresses). On the flip side, one with lower body fat can have some difficulty trying to lose the last few pounds of the body's "coveted" body fat. This is not to leave out complications in between ones goal: Starting out with high body fat and say (plateauing in the process of losing tissue) in route to their personal goal (as an example).


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Did what for a month? This doesn't tell me anything. In order to properly assess this 2400 calorie consumption, one would have to assess your activities and some other personal particulars.

I can gain weight on 2400 calories too, and rather simply and terribly fast, if I do not watch what I put in my mouth--and do not correspond fitness activities properly. If activities are LOW (such as no employment work, no workout being performed, and loitering around the house), ones MT-Line isn't going to sway too far from the base need--it will be fairly close, but still above it.

For me this would be about 1600 (base need), and 2,090 (MT-Line). When I lost the majority of my weight, and these parameters were known (such as no employment work nor workout performed), I did not drop below 1600 calories--even at this time. I would drop to about 1700c-1800c, but NEVER below 1600c--when speaking in terms of straight deficits (and not factoring in my dietary cycles and other manipulations I performed).

If I wanted a greater deficit, I would then add in an activity such as cardio (on my bike, as an example). Though the consumption level is at 1700-1800c (200 to 300 calculated deficit--at the no activity MT-Line), the deficit becomes greater because the MT-Line gets moved (manipulated), but the food consumption is can remain the same-------or if I wish eat a tad more--dependent.

You understand what I mean, here?

I am terribly methodical with my calories; however, I began with a base understanding, and adjusted to feedback.

Bare in mind, I am the same height as you, and last year, I was near a comparable weight as you (152/154), so as far as the calories needed for this weight and hgt, I have a general good idea (with understanding the obvious differences such as age, as an one example).

I will be the first one to tell you (and have stated this in posts before), that in general I do not like the "blanket" of calories that Benedict (or other types of calorie approximators) give, because they can be off a tad.

For example: If one were to use a blanket multiplier (of whatever) and it says one needs (AS AN EXAMPLE!!), 2600 calories, working out X-times per week, what about the work out "off days"--where no workout is completed?

Isn't calories generally lower, because their is no work out activity? Couldn't one over consume calories on these "type of days?" the answer (IMO), is yes they can. It is primarily due to the fact that the MT-Line changes because---activity is LOWER with no workout being performed.




Again, this isn't really telling me anything--not really. The base need is an approximation just to breathe, etc, etc, and does not take into account activities (and for some persons biological deficiencies, etc,etc). This base would not include activities such as: going out with friends, school activities, and workouts. Now, if you are saying that with your workout (and other activities) you are just burning an added 400 calories per day, this is where I am having a problem. This assumes the base is accurate within say 100 calories (- or + 100 calories).

What is your routine like? What do you do for work? Or are you in school?
How many times per week do you workout? What are your rest days? Do you seem to be sensitive to certain types of carbohydrates?

In order to properly assess a suggested criteria for you, things need to get spelled out--specifically, and not in generalities.



IMO, in order to improve your core, one is stuck with their genetic limitations, and what they are willing to do (and some cases sacrifice) in diet.

IMO, you do need a little more muscle on your frame (thus making calories an important topic for you), and going TOO LOW in calories is detrimental to this goal--and yes, as little as a couple hundred calories can make a difference. I do want to apologize. Within my post, it is fairly obvious, that I think you are inaccurately assessing yourself. This is primarily due, that many on the forum have (not all, but some new ones). It could be your base line is higher or lower, and given some of your efficiencies and deficiencies (biologically within), you could be right with some of your UPPER limit calorie projections reference your MT-Line. However, in order to properly assess this, we need to look at your lifestyle, and other personal particulars. This is why I am not satisfied, with you wanting to eat at 1500 calories,,,,,,and that your specs are (hgt, ect), are VERY CLOSE to my own.



This is assuming you are burning 400c with your current workout, but what about employment and/or school activities on top of this workout? What about......when you do not workout, nor have employment/school activities? Does this factor in any calories changes in your opinion? :)

How long have you been fitness training? In what sort of trends are you assessing your bodily feed back? How long of periods, etc, etc. What is your current routine like?


Best wishes

Chillen

Alright, i'll lay everything out and you can give me an opinion. I would hope as i workout more and more i should become more toned. (hopefully) When i first started, i had to lines at all. Just a gut, and i haven't lifted since high school. (6 years) So, i looked a lot worse, lol.

I lift weights 4 times a week. Generally, i'm in the gym for over an hour, just because it takes that long...Two days a week i do HIIT cardio. Generally, i like to do my cardio on non workout days, but sometimes I'll do it on a workout day.

Monday - Chest/Back
Tuesday - Legs, including squats and deadlifts. Biceps as well.
Wednesday - Shoulders/Lats. Pull ups included
Thursday - OFF. (Sometimes HIIT)
Friday - Squats and deadlifts again and then i hit triceps.
Saturday - OFF (Sometimes HIIT)
Sunday - OFF. I always watch football.

I just graduated from school, so I'm done with that. I work at a customer service department, so i don't do too much physical labor. Yeah, I'm on my feet, but i don't pick anything up over 20lbs at work. I work about 30 hours a week, give or take. So, all i really do is workout and go to my job. My friends and i are thinking about starting football on Thursday's. If i do this, I'll start eating a bit more. But as you can see, I'm not insanely active...Working out is my main exercise...

I was eating healthy for that month i gained weight eating 2400 calories, just more healthy food. More chicken breast, peanut butter, etc...Also, carbs make me feel very bloated and i do not respond well to them. As you'll notice below, the carb count is low.

I'm also going to the Navy in April and would like to achieve decent abs by this time. (This is my goal)

So please, any advice is more than helpful. Here is my diet. (generally speaking)

Breakfast - Bowl of oatmeal in water, protein shake with a scoop of peanut butter added.

Snack
- A couple servings of almonds as a snack

Lunch
- Big salad with bell peppers, radishes, cut up chicken breast and a side of cottage cheese. (I cook the peppers and maybe some onions in extra virgin olive oil for more flavor and bumping the calories)

Snack
- A can of tuna and maybe a scoop of peanut butter. (On workout days i will have another protein shake and a can of tuna 30mins after)

Dinner - A chicken breast (maybe 4oz) with a generous amount of vegetables, mainly broccoli. I don't like to eat a big dinner for some reason...
 
Almost forgot to mention. I incorporate abs about 3 days a week randomly.

Lately, i've also been flexing them more often when i pick things up, or bend over, etc..At the end of the day, i can really feel i've been using them...Seems like a good idea.
 
Alright, i'll lay everything out and you can give me an opinion. I would hope as i workout more and more i should become more toned. (hopefully) When i first started, i had to lines at all. Just a gut, and i haven't lifted since high school. (6 years) So, i looked a lot worse, lol.

I apologize for my ignorance, but how old are you? Around...23/24-somewhere around there?

I lift weights 4 times a week. Generally, i'm in the gym for over an hour, just because it takes that long...Two days a week i do HIIT cardio. Generally, i like to do my cardio on non workout days, but sometimes I'll do it on a workout day.

What we know

1. Weight Training 4 days per week
2. HIIT on off days (generally).
3. You want a defined ab core/"a bit" more muscle mass.

And,

4. You want to do this with 1,500 calories per day (which I "currently" have a problem with).

What do you do in your HIIT Cardio?

Monday - Chest/Back
Tuesday - Legs, including squats and deadlifts. Biceps as well.
Wednesday - Shoulders/Lats. Pull ups included
Thursday - OFF. (Sometimes HIIT)
Friday - Squats and deadlifts again and then i hit triceps.
Saturday - OFF (Sometimes HIIT)
Sunday - OFF. I always watch football.

Personally, I do not like your split-routine, Old Spice.

It takes an hour just to do Chest/Back? It takes an hour to do Shoulders/Lats?

Upper portion of your workout:

First: the Back gets worked out Monday AND Wednesday (as Lats are part of the back).

Second: the Chest gets trained once per week, while the Shoulders get work on Monday AND Wednesday (When working chest, shoulder are worked).

Third:The triceps are the most worked, with three times per week (Monday with chest, Wednesday with shoulders (assuming MP-like exercises), and isolated on Friday.

Fourth: I do not have a problem with the little bicep getting worked once per week (directly) on face value within your routine, as it gets some stimulation with back/lat work (assuming the correct exercises); however, the way its arranged is where I have a problem. For instance, if you are performing the BOR (or something similar) like the T-Bar row on Monday (it works the bicep), you are again working the bicep on your leg day Tuesday (as an example).

You get one "complete" day of bodily rest, or more if you decide not to do HIIT, with stating "sometimes" HIIT on rest days.

Your routine needs to be re-examined and put together better.

Do you prefer a split-routine with your current lifestyle or could you do a Full-Body Routine two to three times per week?

What do you do in your HIIT Cardio?

Are you going to a gym? Training at home or what?

I just graduated from school, so I'm done with that. I work at a customer service department, so i don't do too much physical labor. Yeah, I'm on my feet, but i don't pick anything up over 20lbs at work. I work about 30 hours a week, give or take.

An hour sitting at a PC for an average male (say 150 to 160 pounds), yields and "approximate" calorie burn of: 120c per hour.

So, (keeping things hypothetically equal here), a customer service person who works at a PC answering phones, doing paper work, etc, etc, (general office type of work), would approximately burn 600 calories (or more) in about 5 hours while at work. Besides the stresses involved with dealing with customers (and I know this extremely well), this is not to far off (in the calorie burning sense), of being at home on the PC, and doing general tasks--omitting some of the stress factors involved (keeping things metabolically-equal). Therefore, your employment, doesn't play a major factor in your calorie needs per day, in this sense, since its not physically labor intensive/demanding where more energy is expended--where it could have more of impact on your calorie needs, and could be of a concern on the impact of your calorie needs.

So, this part, I tend to agree with you on, in the energy expenditure sense.

My friends and i are thinking about starting football on Thursday's. If i do this, I'll start eating a bit more. But as you can see, I'm not insanely active...Working out is my main exercise...

Agreed, energy expenditure will go up (keeping things equal).

Also, carbs make me feel very bloated and i do not respond well to them. As you'll notice below, the carb count is low.

Define bloated for me, as it compares to you? You could be carbohydrate sensitive, but I am just not sold on it yet.

Additionally, carbohydrates are going to be "your friend" when going into the Navy's Basic, and to limit them, is limiting your physical performance potential--when attending.

If you are (say) a few weeks out, and you are drastically limiting your carbohydrates (making a definite trend history) leading up to entering your Navy Basic, you are going to wish you hadn't (IMO).

I'm also going to the Navy in April and would like to achieve decent abs by this time. (This is my goal)

You are only 4 months from your Basic Training, and this is an element I did not know, and changes "most-everything" in my humble opinion.

See, this is what I am talking about. With you wanting to go in the Navy, "changes the face of training/diet (IMO)--completely".

First, you are going to be required to attend Basic Training, and simply devising a training program where one just throws weights around in a full-body/split routine--"possibly will not address the endurance component" you may need when going through Basic Training in the Navy.

1. Since you are several months out, and have time to prepare, then you need to find out what the requirements are and what they will expect of you within Basic Training, and [/u]the large majority of your training.......is training in the manner in which you are expected to perform.

2. Find the Navy's web site (or a site reputably similar), and learn what is expected of you......NOW. While you still have time.

I have some experience in this area, as last year, I went back to KLETC (Kansas Police Academy) at 46 years old, and went through Army Basic/AIT, and Officer Candidate School (OCS), in my 20's.

When I went back to the Police Academy, I had to change many things in my routine. I was strong, but I lacked muscle endurance in the areas that were going to be demanded and needed in the academy. Since, I went through it once, and updated myself on the differences (since I went many years ago), I knew what to expect, and could train myself--accordingly.

For example, I was going to be required to perform a certain amount of sit-ups, pull-ups, push-ups in a two minute time span. I was going to be required to run a mile within a certain time limit. Run an obstacle course within a certain time frame. I was going to be required to perform sit-ups/push-ups in a spontaneous manner throughout the day (when the drill instructors felt we need it :) ;), if you catch my drift).

I was going to be required to run the obstacle course within the time limit required, and be in shape enough, to get into a police unit (immediately following running the course), and drive a vehicle obstacle course (EPOC), while meeting these requirements as well. Which means, I have to have a certain amount of cardiovascular endurance to the point where breathing heavy (etc), doesn't interfere (or add to) with me driving a vehicle and making decisions when driving. And, breathing heavy can interfere--greatly.

In short, my entire approach to training, had to change. I still weight trained, but added in quite a few endurance activities, and trained myself in a manner in which.........I was going to encounter.........at the academy.

And, this is IMPORTANT for you to remember. If they require you to do, pull-ups, sit-ups, push-ups, then YOU DO THESE in your training. Yes, you can do various techniques to improve strength and endurance, but you do them. You simply perform the exercises that you are going to encounter, and train for cardio vascular endurance as "close as possible" in what you are going to encounter (mile runs, obstacle course, ect).

IMO, this is your "main component" of your training. How you shape this training, depends on what is expected and exercises used. Find this out, and we will work on a routine for you........until then, I am not going to advise you on a routine, until this "unknown" component becomes a "known component" (as much as possible).

What I will say, is that your routine (as present), and your calories of 1,500 per day are not doing you any favors. What are you going to be eating like when you go to the Naval Academy (basic), when heavy demands are high on your physical endurance? Have you thought about this?

You main.....focus, "should in my opinion" be preparing yourself for the Navy. This is the bottom line really.

So please, any advice is more than helpful. Here is my diet. (generally speaking)

Breakfast - Bowl of oatmeal in water, protein shake with a scoop of peanut butter added.

Snack - A couple servings of almonds as a snack

Lunch - Big salad with bell peppers, radishes, cut up chicken breast and a side of cottage cheese. (I cook the peppers and maybe some onions in extra virgin olive oil for more flavor and bumping the calories)

Snack - A can of tuna and maybe a scoop of peanut butter. (On workout days i will have another protein shake and a can of tuna 30mins after)

Dinner - A chicken breast (maybe 4oz) with a generous amount of vegetables, mainly broccoli. I don't like to eat a big dinner for some reason...

You seem to be getting a good amount of protein, fats, and veggies, with the amount of calories you are currently allowing. What do the servings break down to?

It has always been my opinion, that its "one's total circumference of food/calories during the course of the day", whether its 3 or 6 meals (this is minor), that matters the most. Multiple meals are over rated--"in the context some put this in", such as boosting metabolism, which is utterly false. But, it does have benefits such assisting in curbing hunger pains, and other side effects associated with calorie deprivation.

Since your carb calories are low during the day (primarily), with the Oatmeal (and some from Veggies), your pre and post workout meals can be come more important because the carbohydrates during the course of the day are not addressing some physical potential inefficiencies.

If you are getting one serving of oatmeal, then your getting about 27 grams of carbohydrates, if its two servings approximately 54 grams. The NPB, veggies, add tad more into the equation, and your PT-powder does too (if you got a brand that has carbohydrates in them). So, it appears you getting over 60 grams of carbohydrates--"dependent on the servings".

If you feel bloated during the day from carbohydrate consumption (away from working out), then change your carbohydrate consumption, to primarily around your workout routine, and see what happens.

Attempt to get most of your carbohydrates (during the day) from fibrous sources (I can give you several ideas here) (and limit starchy carbohydrates during the day), and consuming quick absorbing carbohydrates around your workouts.

See, if you see any changes in how you feel.

I am not saying you are NOT sensitive to carbohydrates (some people actually are), but truthfully, I am not all that convinced with you.

However, it wouldn't hurt to make some minor changes, and see what happens. You have to write the book, about you, my brotha. There is no diet and fitness book exclusively written with Old Spice in mind, my brotha. You have to get out the friggen pen, and starting writing, and write changes as needed as you move along.

In a recent post, you claimed to be: 149 pounds, and 5' 7". Is this correct?

With the above data in mind, and taking 23 years of age as your age variable (not much difference if you are a tad younger or a tad older), the results are as follows with Benedict:

1. Base need: 1,675 calories, approximately

2. Variable MT-Line with multipliers:

•If you are sedentary : BMR x 1.2: 2011

•If you are lightly active: BMR x 1.375: 2304.38

•If you are moderately active (You exercise most days a week.): BMR x 1.55: 2597.66

•If you are very active (You exercise daily.): BMR x 1.725: 2890.94

•If you are extra active (You do hard labor or are in athletic training.): BMR x 1.9: 3184.23

And, one can make adjustments, using a multiplier in between the ones mentioned above.

Your employment isn't a strong variable in the calorie sense, and isn't much different, than being at home at the PC (in the calorie expenditure sense, there is some, but not enough to be concerned about in my opinion). The stronger variable in the calorie sense, is when you train (and its contents) versus when you do not train (rest) variables, which can make "blanketing calories" with one multiplier extremely inaccurate. For example: If you are sedentary (say being at home, or just working, no workout, rest day), the calories are near or about: 2,000 (assuming no HIIT). If you training (lets say a FBW for lack of argument), then the calories increase to a variable between the 1.375, (1.4), and 1.55, multipliers (and its associated calorie ranges). You may have experiment here, once your routine is reconstructed

Now, we have a problem. The problem is not with you wanting to drop fat tissue (---necessarily), the problem is with the Naval Academy variable--a few months out from attending a rather strenuous training program.

Your calorie content, macro nutrients, and content of your training are paramount, Old Spice. If you (only consider fat loss, on your rather small frame, and not take in consideration your performance at the Naval Academy), and blanket 1500 calories (everyday), you are severely harming yourself.

I am going to end it here. It is not my purpose to "figure this out for you", but to assist you to guide yourself. With this data in mind, what should you do.

I will continue (the above calculations), as we move along, and likewise address questions and what not.

1,500 calories is STILL TO LOW for you: :)


Best wishes as always,

Chillen
 
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My sincere apologies, to the OP. If you wish we can take this conversation to another thread. I believe OS (Old Spice), has a thread asking like questions, where it would be more appropriate, since the topic is Creatine in this thread.

:)

Best wishes

Chillen
 
My sincere apologies, to the OP. If you wish we can take this conversation to another thread. I believe OS (Old Spice), has a thread asking like questions, where it would be more appropriate, since the topic is Creatine in this thread.

:)

Best wishes

Chillen

I'm just going to reply here, because this is where we started this...Hopefully OP doesn't mind...(Sorry)

Sure, i want to be in better shape for the Navy, but i'm way ahead of you on all this. I've already met the requirements a long time ago. Since my age is 24, the training is a tad easier. I only have to o 42 push ups in 1 minute, 45 sit ups in 2 minutes and run 1.5 miles in under 13:30. I can do 74 push ups in 1 minute, 65 sit ups in 2 minutes and run 1.5 miles in 9:19. So, don't worry about the specifications for the navy, although i would like to get my push ups up to 100 in 2 minutes. (The more, the better) I noticed the lighter i get, the more pushups i can do...The heavier i get the less i do...We don't have to do pull ups at all, but i can do 20 pull ups at any given time.

I can agree with you that 1500 calories is too low, since women diet eating about 1300, lol. So, in other words i'm eating like a girly man. What i mean by bloating, is that my stomach just feels very tight after i eat bread for example. I just feel like a big baloon and it's uncomfortable. Now, this doesn't mean i'm carb sensitive i guess, i just don't feel the best sometimes. Most likely it's too much fiber. If i eat pasta or something i feel great. But, stuff like that makes me hungry and it's full of carbs. I just stay away from it. Personally, i like my diet. I'll contine to eat this way, just more of it...

To me, i just feel like i have a lot of body fat to burn. Sure, i'm in pretty good shape, but i look goofy. My love handles look like they stick out and i have a small gut. The thing is, i'm not a tiny guy. If you saw me walking, you would think i weighed about 160. I'll show you a picture of me in normal clothes. My body type is just awkward and i'm top heavy. A friend of mine is an inch taller than me and weighs 163. He doesn't workout, just plays soccer. He looks like he weighs 145lbs. I look bigger than he does and everyone agrees. It's weird...I just simply have more body fat. (my conclusion) So, it makes sense to me to not try and put on weight.

My HIIT consist of a 5min jog, 35sec sprint at 10.0 on the treadmill, then jog for 1min, then sprint for 35secs and repeat I sprint a total of about 4-6 times depending on the day and how i feel. Then, i might do a lighter jog for a cool down. I never exceed more than 18mins on this workout. Generally, i stop at 15mins.

Also, i'm going to most likely lose a lot of hard earned muscle going into basic...So, i figured a cut look would look good. I could get rid of the handles on the side and tighten up my mid section...

Also, i can eat anything, so don't worry about the food in the navy...

Here is a normal pic. I'm on the far left obviously, lol.
 
For the future, if you wander off the topic of a thread, just make a new thread about the new topic :) I moved all your posts here, let me know if there were any screw ups :p
 
For the future, if you wander off the topic of a thread, just make a new thread about the new topic :) I moved all your posts here, let me know if there were any screw ups :p

No problem and thank you. Just as long as chillen finds the thread and replies back. I want this new routine so i can get motivated and continue pursuing results! :laughing2::xmas:
 
For the future, if you wander off the topic of a thread, just make a new thread about the new topic :) I moved all your posts here, let me know if there were any screw ups :p

Thanks, Karks. I appreciate it, and is the reason I posted an apology to the OP for swaying off topic in the Creatine thread.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

Chillen
 
No problem and thank you. Just as long as chillen finds the thread and replies back. I want this new routine so i can get motivated and continue pursuing results! :laughing2::xmas:

Yep, found it........

Will be responding to your last post fairly quickly, my friend.

Let us ROCK this thing out.......


Best regards,

Chillen
 
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Gonna hoop in here.

Chillen, I have the most respect for you in the world man. Your advice were golden when I was doing weight lost last year. With that said though, I have to side with Oldspice here.

In theory, you are 100% correct Chillen. Everyone is different and what Oldspice is doing seems to be working for him. One pound a week is great and he is regaining his old strength back. Mentally, he feels and believe that he is getting stronger; lifting more and heavier weights. In theory, this may not be the case but the mind is an amazing machine. Maybe, he willed himself and made this happened. In my experience, I did not understand what was going on with my body back then and still do not even now. It was weird, I was dropping about 1.5-2 lbs a week and yet gaining more and more strength and cardiovascular endurance. Probably a mental thing but it worked, I believed that I was losing weight and gaining muscle and it worked (yes I believe in Santa Clause too. :) )
 
I'm just going to reply here, because this is where we started this...Hopefully OP doesn't mind...(Sorry)

LOL......I just noticed we were just carrying on-"blah"-"blah"-totally oblivious to the topic :))), and didn't want the OP to get frustrated, which can sometimes happen. So I got a little concerned with that.

Sure, i want to be in better shape for the Navy, but i'm way ahead of you on all this. I've already met the requirements a long time ago. Since my age is 24, the training is a tad easier. I only have to o 42 push ups in 1 minute, 45 sit ups in 2 minutes and run 1.5 miles in under 13:30. I can do 74 push ups in 1 minute, 65 sit ups in 2 minutes and run 1.5 miles in 9:19. So, don't worry about the specifications for the navy, although i would like to get my push ups up to 100 in 2 minutes. (The more, the better) I noticed the lighter i get, the more pushups i can do...The heavier i get the less i do...We don't have to do pull ups at all, but i can do 20 pull ups at any given time.

When you listed your training routine (in your other post), you didn't list any fitness activities related to your upcoming Naval Basic Training; just a split routine (that needs reconstructed), and some HIIT.

This is why I became concerned on whether you were preparing yourself (in advance), because "strickly" weight training "isn't going to cut the mustard"--alone, in the type of endurance level you are going to have to be at within Basic Training.

Of course, include it, but also include the activities you are expected to perform, and some interval training as well that is high endurance related. Additionally, age has nothing to do with what shape your in. I have seen people in basic between 18 to 24 years of age, that couldn't perform 2 push ups.

And, you are correct on one issue: You want to train with the purpose to exceed the minimum requirements, and not just meet them to give yourself some head room (so-to-speak).

What are you during in preparation then? Where is this currently fitting in within your current routine?

I can agree with you that 1500 calories is too low, since women diet eating about 1300, lol. So, in other words i'm eating like a girly man.

When looking at your physique, and putting your personal fitness goals in mind, this is what I see:

1. You need a tad more muscle mass built--overall. Not a lot, but just a bit more to suit your personal fitness goals.

2. Core: You need a tad more core construction, which (genetics willing) will come from primarily a well constructed Full-Body Routine, and some direct core work (being lower on this importance-o-meter pertaining to your FBW, but higher in the sense of endurance as it relates to your personal needs with Naval Training).

With the core, concentrate on heavy compound movements (within the FBW), and build your endurance (as you need it with basic coming up) with direct core work. In the end, they will both assist you.

3. The cornerstone to make this happen (an limit fat reproduction, and potentially fat loss), is a clear sense of your calorie needs--along with proper macro nutrient set up. We will have to learn (FOR YOU) as we go.

4. Scrap your other routine.

5. We make a new one.

What i mean by bloating, is that my stomach just feels very tight after i eat bread for example. I just feel like a big baloon and it's uncomfortable. Now, this doesn't mean i'm carb sensitive i guess, i just don't feel the best sometimes.

It is possible (again remember, possible), that you are just experiencing the bread swelling in your stomach. You would be absolutely surprised how large (some breads) can get when you add water to it; the can swell up like a balloon :))). This isn't really an issue, if you want simply take it out of your diet, and replace it with something (comparable in nutritional value) if you wish. And, I agree, this does not mean you are carb sensitive.

Most likely it's too much fiber. If i eat pasta or something i feel great. But, stuff like that makes me hungry and it's full of carbs. I just stay away from it. Personally, i like my diet. I'll contine to eat this way, just more of it...

Thus far Carbohydrates, such as Oatmeal and Pasta agree with you. While I would tend to eat a whole grain (or veggie) variety of pasta (if possible--as "primary choice), do not get "all-shook-up" if you can not, and have to eat "white pasta" (UHG!!!!!!!!), every now and then (I cannot believe I said that, I MUST DIE! :)).

One of the reasons, I wasn't so keen on you being sensitive to carbohydrates, is the fact that some types of carbohydrates (can do different things within the stomach and intestines--so-to-speak). Like I said before, some breads can SWELL, fiber rich foods can swell, and take longer to digest, etc, etc, and so forth).

Just DO NOT get "confused" with food swelling in the stomach as being fat gain or an adverse reaction, because in reality (with some foods) this rather normal (especially with some carbohydrates and fibrous foods).


Some good sources of Carbohydrates:

  • Pasta, Macaroni, Spaghetti (avoid the white variety, if possible)
  • Brown rice
  • Potatoes
  • Other root vegetables
  • Whole meal breads
  • Granary bread
  • Pita bread
  • Wholegrain cereals
  • High fiber breakfast cereals
  • Muesli
  • Cassava
  • Corn
  • Yam
  • Peas
  • Beans (various types, and has some fiber)
  • Lentils

Some sources of good Fibrous Carbohydrates (they tend to swell in stomach, take longer to digest and give a feeling of fullness, and have a host of other health benefits):

  • Carrots
  • Broccoli
  • Spinach
  • Lettuce
  • Cauliflower
  • Green beans
  • Cucumbers
  • spinach
  • squash
  • zucchini
  • tomatoes

Do not be afraid of: Garlic and onions (unless they give off a BUTT ODER, lol, ;))

As a few examples. Additionally, if you want I can go on, and on about the "many advantages of fiber" in the diet when it pertains to fat loss and health, not mention some effects (good ones) on blood glucose, etc.

Some good sources of Protein (to list a few):

  • Chicken breast (non-breaded)
  • Turkey breast (including ground, 99% lean)
  • Fish (specifically, salmon (fatty oils), White and Dark Tuna, Halibut, Herring, Mackerel, and Sardines--to name a few).
  • Shellfish (some are high Cholesterol)
  • Eggs
  • Lean red meats (Top round, lean sirloin, flank, lean 97% (or better) hamburger)
  • Nonfat or low fat dairy products (Cottage Cheese, Yogurt (sugar free), etc)
  • Whey-Based Protein powders (I would choose one with no carbohydrates, and consume carbohydrates through your food sources)

Some ideas for fat sources and the all important (EFA's)

(Just to name very briefly a few)

Of course, Natural Peanut Butter
Almonds
Walnuts (absolutely wonderful source of fiber/fat combo)
Flax seeds
Avocados
A supplement that includes: Fish oil, or Flax seed oil.

Good oil base sources:

(Polyunsaturated Fat Sources)

  • Canola oil
  • Cod liver oil
  • Flax seed oil
  • Sesame oil
  • Walnut oil
  • Vegetable oil

Mono unsaturated Fat Sources

  • Almond oil
  • Avocado oil
  • Corn oil
  • Evening primrose oil
  • Hazelnut oil
  • Olive oil
  • Peanut oil
  • Safflower oil
  • Sesame oil
  • Sunflower oil

Avoid these:

  • Animal-fat shortening
  • Beef fat
  • Butter (be very picky...on which one you use)
  • Coconut oil
  • Cottonseed oil
  • Fatty meats
  • Full-fat milk products
  • Lard
  • Palm oil
  • Palm kernel oil
  • Tropical oils
  • Vegetable shortening

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Many people falsely believe that you must workout everyday or at least 5-6 days/week to build a lean ripped physique.

In fact, for most people, training that frequently will lead to over-training. Your body needs a stimulus (exercise) in order to build muscle and lose body fat. However, your body also needs sufficient rest to recover from that exercise. Therefore, training everyday doesn’t give the body much time to rebuild and get ready for the next training session. On the other hand,------if you only train one day per week, you’re doing little more than a sedentary individual.

So, what is an optimal training frequency for most people to obtain the best results?

There’s not one single answer since everyone is different. We implement a sound program, with sound rest periods, and adapt to feed back as one moves along.

However, most people respond best to training 3-4 days/week. That allows sufficient training stimuli to force your body to adapt, yet also allows sufficient rest to prevent you from getting “burned out”, and thus do not get defeated by your own enthusiasm.

This is my opinion on an "potentially effective" routine to get lean:

Focus the majority of your time on weight training to get lean instead of focusing "primarily" on cardio training.

Replace traditional moderate intensity long duration cardio with high intensity shorter duration anaerobic training such as wind sprints, interval training; Station based, high energy type of stuff. I know you do not do (long cardio), just mentioning it.

Utilize multi-joint exercises instead of single joint exercises for the majority (if not all) of your training routines; there are exceptions, of course.

Increase the intensity of your workouts by focusing on exercises in which you complete more “work” by moving significant quantities of weight for larger distances, and attack--aggressively.....progressive over load.

Follow a specific type of training program consistently for example at least 4-6 weeks before changing one of your MAIN training variables; you have to give it a chance to work, some just simply change TOO OFTEN.....continue your progression by changing one or more of the important training variables, on-the-fly, as you move along.

Some effective multi-joint exercises:

The following exercises can be effective multi-joint exercises: (keeping thing equal):

  • Standard barbell deadlifts
  • Romanian deadlifts
  • Barbell back squats
  • Barbell front squats
  • Barbell overhead squats
  • Dumbbell lunges (walking or standing)
  • Dumbbell step-ups
  • Barbell clean & presses
  • One arm snatches
  • One arm swings
  • Two arm swings
  • Barbell high pulls
  • Barbell or dumbbell incline or flat bench presses
  • Dips
  • Push-ups variations
  • Pronated grip pull-ups
  • Supinated grip chin-ups
  • Lat pulldowns (supinated, pronated, or neutral grips)
  • Barbell bent over rows
  • One arm dumbbell rows
  • Renegade dumbbell rows
  • Seated horizontal cable rows
  • Overhead barbell or dumbbell presses
  • Dumbbell squat & presses

(To name a few, to choose from)

To me, i just feel like i have a lot of body fat to burn. Sure, i'm in pretty good shape, but i look goofy. My love handles look like they stick out and i have a small gut. The thing is, i'm not a tiny guy. If you saw me walking, you would think i weighed about 160. I'll show you a picture of me in normal clothes. My body type is just awkward and i'm top heavy. It's weird...I just simply have more body fat. (my conclusion) So, it makes sense to me to not try and put on weight.

Within your FBW, you could include intensive station based body weight training, and I will include some example implementations later when I get time.

Also, i'm going to most likely lose a lot of hard earned muscle going into basic...So, i figured a cut look would look good. I could get rid of the handles on the side and tighten up my mid section...

This was my whole point on hitting on this 1500 calories and understanding (at least the BASE PREMISE) of what you needed through Benedict. The idea (at the time) was to have calories at a level to solicit (potential fat loss), and stave off as much muscle loss as possible, which has been my whole point all along.

If you are extremely careful with your diet, and carry higher deficits (meaning on rest days, -200 to -300c) or eat at maintenance on rest days (for increased recoverability), and carry some careful deficits on training days (-400 to -500c), you just may be surprised in your body's ability (I WAS), and have your macro nutrients up (including carbohydrates (at least at the present time).

Also, i can eat anything, so don't worry about the food in the navy...

Hey, now.......you said you were having trouble with carbohydrates (he, he), how does this amount to eating anything, young man? ;)


I will continue this later, when I get more time.........I will talk more about training, and your calories, etc, etc..........


Best wishes and Happy New Year to you, young man,

Chillen
 
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What i mean by "eat anything," is that i'm not picky. The only reason why i'm picky now, is because i'm trying to get into good shape and i choose to eat better food making my body perform at optimal levels. :action8:

I've never been a picky eater. My dad is actually a cook. I've had a little of everything, so anything the Navy throws at me i'll eat. Give me 1 can of tuna to eat in a day and i'll do it. I have a lot of self control. (one of my good values)

Aren't full body workouts not as beneficial, because you can't work each particular muscle group with full strength. For instance, being too tired to perform back workouts on your last set, etc...I also don't know how to set up a FBW routine, so i'll need the help. I assume you just perform the full body workout 3 days a week? But, wouldn't this mean i'm going to be in the gym for like 2 hours each day, lol? I can't see myself getting all of this done...You will have to explain, lol...

You would be surprised how much endurance i have. Hell, i'm actually surprised.

From the sound of it, it seems like your going to help me "cut" and not bulk? If i read correctly, you said eat under maintenance like 2-300 calories on workout days and eat about at maintenance on non workout days? Am i getting this right?

Basically, i'm already on the right track. (kind of) So, i should up my calories to 2000 on workout days? Should i maybe go with this number first? I would think logically that i should eat a tad more on workout days and a bit less on non workout days. It just makes sense to me...:cook:

You just give me the routine and i'll start doing it. I already have my food in order. I'm pretty good with being healthy. My only issue was apparently not eating enough, lol.

So, i assume this workout plan is to get me lean and keep endurance?

Remember, if i can get visible abs it would be a dream come true, lol. I know you said i need a bit more muscle...
 
Oldspice, I "assume" that you have some respect from what you wrote about me in the past. Here is the deal, I read Chillen response to you man. He is DETAILED and research your desire and background; more than I've read (and I read quite a lot of your posts). Listen to what the OLD MAN Chillen got to say. ha ha ha (needed to keep that head in check there, chillster).

Take what he advice, try it out and tweak it a bit to what your goals and needs are. These advices (mine included) are just road maps and compass for you to achieve your goals; you get the choose the path that you want to take. Maybe, what you choose may not intially work out and you do a 180 but if you keep on trying with good information, you will achieve your goals.
 
Oldspice, I "assume" that you have some respect from what you wrote about me in the past. Here is the deal, I read Chillen response to you man. He is DETAILED and research your desire and background; more than I've read (and I read quite a lot of your posts). Listen to what the OLD MAN Chillen got to say. ha ha ha (needed to keep that head in check there, chillster).

Take what he advice, try it out and tweak it a bit to what your goals and needs are. These advices (mine included) are just road maps and compass for you to achieve your goals; you get the choose the path that you want to take. Maybe, what you choose may not intially work out and you do a 180 but if you keep on trying with good information, you will achieve your goals.

Good advice. This is what i've chose for now.

I'm going to eat about 2000 calories a day, maybe a bit more on workout days. I'm going to lift heavy 3 days a week. On my days off i will do abs, cardio and push ups. Not on all the same day, but spread out. For instance, tuesday i may do abs and HIIT cardio and on thursday i might do 115 push ups. Something like this...This way, i can keep lifting heavy to hopefully sustain or gain muscle, while keep my push ups to a good amount.

Here is the routine i made to follow.

Monday:

Squats
Bench Press
Pull ups
Tricep Dip
Side lateral raises (With 35lb weight)

Wednesday:


Deadlifts
Incline db Bench
BB Rows
Calf work
Abs

Friday:

Squats
Mil Press
Chins/rowing movement
curls

3x8-4x6 for compound movements 3x12 + for isolation movements.

What do you think?
 
That seems kinda circuit training and once you are really pushing it, you may not be able to manage it. Personally, I am still sore with a muscle group that i workout 2-3 days afterward. The typical thinking is to go something like this:

M:chest + tricep
W: Legs + abs
F: Back + bicep + shoulders

The reason people split like this is when you bench, you use a lot of tricep and shoulder. Same with leg, when you squat, you are using calves and all the leg; same when you do calves, you will be working on the quad and hammy as well. When you do minor muscle group, the major one is working and vice versa is what I am saying. Hopefully, this does not sound like a jerk but what you got there will work for the first few months until you want to focus more building muscle. Hey, if it tickle your belly, do it and try it.


3x8-4x6 for compound movements 3x10 + for isolation movements
 
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