Check out this dude

Arnold deflated like he has b/c he went from being a 300 lb monster (not really) to a politician who doesn't lift weights.

You don't use it you lose it.

Steroids take you to supraphysiological levels of muscle and strength..... and a majority of this can be maintained with continued training at appropriate volume and intensities.

Problem is, most people don't like training without the drugs though after they've tried them.

Oh, and I don't believe for a second that all the gladiators are drug free.
 
Yea, I was gonna say that too Steve, I can't for one second believe they are taking something! NBC is insulting the viewers intelligence.
 
Isn't it possible that the gladiators took roids to achieve their current state but stopped taking them sometime before the testing for the show started? I mean they must disappear from your body after a while.
 
hah! Shruken testicles are nothing....

maleficent said:
the dose you'd get for asthma would be a lot less potent than you'd need for building muscles...

besides, what's the point behind all those muscles when the side effect of steroid abuse is shrunken testicles...
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You want to know what can REALLy happen with the use and abuse of steroids, you should ask an ex-roomie of mine. Although you would need to see a psychic or some such person, as the roids killed him. Dead.

Shrunken testicles are the least of your problems. I was less impressed with the WILD and Crazy mood swings, that would have Eric laughing one minute, crying and depressed the next, then trying to punch out his girlfriend and roomies 10 minutes later like he was in a drunken bar fight.

yes, the mood swings are really that crazy and unpredictable!

The biggest thing though was it worked. He was getting enormous and fast. So much so he figured if one daily shot in the ass was doing all that for him, then administering local shots to the areas he was working each day (pecs, quads, biceps, whatever) would have even faster effects. Right?

Wrong. I was the non-using roomie, as I was obese anyways and didnt see the point since I wasn't into the working out 4 hours a day like the other roomies. But I was (I am ashamed to say) the one sticking them in the ass with the needles, since none of those beefy muscle men could handle it themselves. They were taking race horse steroids never meant for people, even had big warnings saying "For Veterinary use ONLY!" all over them.

Thankfully I decided all the "roid rage" and mood swings were not my thing and I quickly moved out of that condo, leaving the roid monkeys behind. Nothing like having monsterous roomies who had monsterous violent mood swings. Shortly thereafter Eric decided to "up his game" and start localized injections at the regualr dose, which of course meant 4X the suggested amount (the suggestion coming from the guy selling the roids, not a doctor or anything like that) About a month later I ran into one of the other roomies and asked how everything was going since I moved out. Seems Eric, became huge fast and looked like a million bucks, right up to the point when his ultra fit and muscular body had a massive heart attack and he was found dead 10 minutes away from the condo while walking to the gym one morning. The newspaper listed his death as a massive heart attack with no foul play. I think there could be no more foul death personally.

Gives new meaning to "leaving a good looking corpse"....

This is a true story by the way, not something I read online or heard about through the grape vine. I look now at all the pro wrestlers who went the steroid route to get the bodies they wanted to be impressive on the camera, who died from complications related to roids long after they even stopped using them. Makes one wonder just how much a gigantic muscular body is worth.....

Sadly this situation is too common. When I was training in pro wrestling (yes, WWE style) it quickly became apparent, though never talked about outright, that if you were happy to be an indy wrestler and work in the local, non-televised clubs and organizations, then just working out and being healthy was fine. But to be noticed by a bigger organization, roids were a must. I hated the fact that the under 18 kids who were training were all publicly told "say no to roids" etc, but then on their 18th birthday they would get "the talk" about their future and how far they really wanted to go.....

Thats why I left. Bar none. I love pro wrestling, but I dont want any part of kids being pushed into roids or that lifestyle.

Saw one friend die already, lets see if the other ones, though having stopped for years now, follow suit.

sirant
 
Steroids aren't psychologically active. That's why they're Schedule III instead of Schedule I.

I've been around a lot of roid users and I can say this about them in relation to 'roid rage':

People who get 'roid rage' would have had that same rage without the drugs. They were 'trigger happy' before the drug. If you are F-ed up before, you sure as hell are going to be F-ed up after, and vice versa. Plenty of normal people 'use' and there's nothing that happens psychologically. It's actually the majority who use are 'fine' in the psychological sense.

You using your roommate as an example is just like the media using the likes of Chris Benoit to paint the illusional picture that steroids = incontrollable temper, rage, and murder. In scenarios like this (n=1), any factual data is immediately remanded to an intense scrutiny, and treated with the guilty until proven innocent fallacy.

In this particular case which had a shit ton of sensationalist media hype attached, there was one particular 'expert' on the news showing the link between steroids and aggressive behavior using a study done on rats. Last time I checked.... we are not rats. And human study does exist but god forbid he use that as this wouldn't 'sell.' Cherry-picking the data to prove a point, especially when the data picked is pretty much irrelavent, is the first way to prove yourself an idiot in the eyes of the educated (not speaking to you Sirant, but to the stooge 'expert' on television.)

I don't advocate the use of steroids. I've never used personally. But being in the position that I'm in and having quite a few who I love and care about use in the past.... I certainly made sure I was educated enough on the subject to have an unbiased, educated opinion. At this stage in the game.... if you aren't well-read on the subject.... then 99.99% of the time your source of information and education pertaining to steroids is at best, as I said before, sensationalists media hype filtered by a bunch of morons.

You've got stuff like this floating around:

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1996 Oct;81(10):3754-8.

The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men--a clinical research center study.
Tricker R, Casaburi R, Storer TW, Clevenger B, Berman N, Shirazi A, Bhasin S.

Division of Endocrinology, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA.

Anecdotal reports of "roid rage" and violent crimes by androgenic steroid users have brought attention to the relationship between anabolic steroid use and angry outbursts. However, testosterone effects on human aggression remain controversial. Previous studies have been criticized because of the low androgen doses, lack of placebo control or blinding, and inclusion of competitive athletes and those with preexisting psychopathology. To overcome these pitfalls, we used a double-blind, placebo-controlled design, excluded competitive athletes and those with psychiatric disorders, and used 600 mg testosterone enanthate (TE)/week. Forty-three eugonadal men, 19-40 yr, were randomized to 1 of 4 groups: Group I, placebo, no exercise; Group II, TE, no exercise; Group III, placebo, exercise; Group IV, TE plus exercise. Exercise consisted of thrice weekly strength training sessions. The Multi-Dimensional Anger Inventory (MAI), which includes 5 different dimensions of anger (inward anger, outward anger, anger arousal, hostile outlook, and anger eliciting situations), and a Mood Inventory (MI), which includes items related to mood and behavior, were administered to subjects before, during, and after the 10 week intervention. The subject's significant other (spouse, live-in partner, or parent) also answered the same questions about the subject's mood and behavior (Observer Mood Inventory, OMI). No differences were observed between exercising and nonexercising and between placebo and TE treated subjects for any of the 5 subdomains of MAI. Overall there were no significant changes in MI or OMI during the treatment period in any group. Conclusion: Supraphysiological doses of testosterone, when administered to normal men in a controlled setting, do not increase angry behavior. These data do not exclude the possibility that still higher doses of multiple steroids might provoke angry behavior in men with preexisting psychopathology.
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But you'll not once see the media reference something like this. It's a sad day when the media controls perception. Not so much with this particular topic, but that kind of power can be quite dangerous IMO.

If you're not already an angry asshole or depressed, juicing isn't going to put you there.
 
Interesting points Steve

In fact these roomies of mine were all 18-22 year old dudes who were testosterone crazed in normal life already, but I must say, they REALLY became different after they started juicing, sensationalism and scientific evidence or not. Perhaps it was all in their heads, based on the other media hype, nervousness about injecting substances bought from "some guy" at the gym that specifically said on the bottles NOT to use on humans, or just the thought of becoming a powerful he-man overnight, who knows. But personally, I lived with those dudes for 3 years, and NEVER saw them cry, breakdown or freak out before the roids. Period. After they started juicing it was SOO remarkably different I moved out and in a hurry. Would rather hear about them beating the crap out of each other and crying about it all day than seeing it mysef. Most likely you are right though and that was something already existing inside of them that the idea of juicing helped to bring out. Who knows…

But back to the point, I wasn't trying to demonstrate the sensationalism of roid rage. As you pointed out, there are enough media hype examples of that already. Someone mentioned roids might be a viable alternative to reach their goals here. I simply wanted to point out that they DID kill my buddy, roid rage or not. His heart simply could not take the enormous strain of the crap he was pumping into himself, if it was real steroids to begin with. And yes, he was an absolute freaking moron for way exceeding the amount "the guy in the gym" told him to take.... But it is obvious he was not the only one who ever suffered ill effects from this type of drug. That's the same reason I could never do most drugs, especially little pills or powders which could be ANYTHING at all these days. Scary shit no matter how you look at it and I for one believe there are always other options to looking your best.

So, roids as a weight loss tool? Um, I would say not. Similar to a stunning jackass I know here who is seriously considering (and the doctors will of course do it for the $$$$) having his body surgically "lengthened" (no idea how the hell they do that, he claims they cut and "extend" all the bones..) in order to get skinny easily. He figures lengthening his short squat body will equalize the weight distribution and he will go from short and squat to lean and tall over night.....

Even if such a thing were possible, damn.... I would rather just do the exercise and diet change myself....

sirant
 
sirant said:
But back to the point, I wasn't trying to demonstrate the sensationalism of roid rage. As you pointed out, there are enough media hype examples of that already. Someone mentioned roids might be a viable alternative to reach their goals here. I simply wanted to point out that they DID kill my buddy, roid rage or not. His heart simply could not take the enormous strain of the crap he was pumping into himself, if it was real steroids to begin with. And yes, he was an absolute freaking moron for way exceeding the amount "the guy in the gym" told him to take.... But it is obvious he was not the only one who ever suffered ill effects from this type of drug.
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That's a good point and my apologies for missing it originally.

Taking steroids 'safely' takes a lot of time, research, knowledge, and understanding. If you don't know the basics of nutrition and training, you damn well better believe you aren't ready to be sticking a needle in your ass.

Unfortunately, what we see most of the time is a bunch of ego-crazed morons (no offense to your friend, speaking more about the people I know who use or used) doing *whatever it takes* to look good naked. And the majority of these guys are too lazy to do it the hard way.... let alone do enough research to 'use' safely.

It's quite pitiful.
 
No offense taken!

Steve said:
That's a good point and my apologies for missing it originally.

Taking steroids 'safely' takes a lot of time, research, knowledge, and understanding. If you don't know the basics of nutrition and training, you damn well better believe you aren't ready to be sticking a needle in your ass.

Unfortunately, what we see most of the time is a bunch of ego-crazed morons (no offense to your friend, speaking more about the people I know who use or used) doing *whatever it takes* to look good naked. And the majority of these guys are too lazy to do it the hard way.... let alone do enough research to 'use' safely.

It's quite pitiful.
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He was an ego-crazed moron, being my friend at the time didn't change that. He was so stupid he killed himself through abject ignorance. Period. Some would argue it was the guy selling the stuff, or the drug itself that was responsible, but it was he himself who made the decision to do it and stuck the needles in. And then even went above and beyond the "recommended" dosage. 100% idiot. Of course, steroids are used successfully and in a healthy manner all the time, but I would hope they are being administered by a health and fitness specialist/doctor, not some random guy in a gym whispering "Pssst, c'mere..." My little mom is even on them for her arthritis, and though of course nowhere near a big enough dosage to build serious muscle, I do so enjoy teasing her about how beefy and Hulk'ish she is getting... :)

I recommend anyone thinking of using steroids or any other performance enhancer talk to a health care professional or doctor first and see what their input is. And even then, if they are willing to prescribe real steroids for weight loss, I would seriously consider a second opinion, or a new doctor. But still a far cry better choice than some guy in a gym with little bottles of "something". That truly is pitiful.

sirant
 
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