Bulk ? And if so, how much?

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Phate89

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Well, im posting some of my pictures and this was really hard for me to do because i am self conscious. I personally think I am still kinda fat, but every one else says im skinny/lean. It took me a while to actually decide to bulk because a part of me was against gaining weight of the fear of gaining fat, and another part of me yearned for more muscle.

So finally i am trying to bulk, but am concentrating on more of a slow bulk.

In these pictures i weigh about a 145-146 lb's 5'8

How much should i bulk until i start cutting?

Thanks.
 
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If you're going to bulk, I understand gaining weight's inevitable - but I also understand you can move the odds in your favor a bit by your workouts (when the body does change, that it adds more muscle than it does fat).
 
Good choice on the bulking. You're definitely not fat. I'd bulk until like you feel like you're getting too fat. I understand, though, that this can be difficult with body image issues. Maybe just bulk to 170 (for example) and reassess. It's hard to say, because if you pick a target weight, you never know how much fat you'll really have when you get there.

If I were you, I'd hit it hard for a few months then post back for everyone's opinion, but not even worry about it until the new year.

Good luck!
 
Bulking size is a matter of personal choice and should be a personal decision. However, I agree with you that you should put on some lean tissue mass. If you are concerned with the fat to muscle ratio, then get the diet configuration in order, select a a small number over MT, and run with it for about one week; check results. Adjust prior to the 2nd week if it is necessary. It begins with diet, and then working with the equipment at your disposal.
 
What are your bulking plans? What kind of calorie surplus are you running with right now and what does your training schedule look like?
 
I'm not sure about my plans, i guess ill bulk until i think i have enough muscle to start cutting away fat. As for my schedule, i try to do a fmw M/W/F. But because of the lack of equipment i have to do some isolational, though i do have some compounds like deadlift, squats, rows, chinups/pullups
 
I need some help figuring out how to do this workout plan.

Here are the type of exercises i regularly do:
1. deadlift
2. Squats
3. bicep curl
4. fore arm curl --> every other day different variations ( hammer curl, reverse fore arm curl )
5. tricep curl
6. Chair dip --> every other day alternate chair dips
7. calf raises
8. weighted crunches
9 obliques
10. Pushups --> pushup variations every other day ( incline, dicline )
11. chinups/pullups ( do these earlier at school )
12. Rows ( added this in just recently )

Now, starting on Monday I took Chillen's advice and changed up my routine by doing all my sets TO FAILURE, and pushing my self to the limit. I think it was a great workout, i felt exhausted BUT i got only through around 7 exercises(squats, deadlifts, forearm curls, chair dips, bicep curls, pushups, weighted crunches, took about an hour to finish these), and even the last couple workouts i felt pretty tired, pushups was one of my last exercises and i can usually do around 60 on the first set, but was only able to do 39.

I was just bored in class today and was messing around trying to figure out a good split i might be able to do maybe..
heres one thing i came up with:

A1:
deadlift
squat
row
bicep curls
chinups/pull ups
pushups ( variations )

A2:
tricep curls
forearms curls ( variations )
calf raises
chair dips ( variations )
weighted crunches
obliques

I will be working all of these TO FAILURE
And was thinking of doing :
M: A1
T:A2
W:rest
Th:A1
F:A2
S:rest
Su:rest

So should I do a FBW 3 times a week, but then not be able to give my best the last couple of workouts or should I do a split and allow evenly distributed energy to all my workouts. And if i do a split, should i do a 4 day split or 6 day split because i'd like to work each muscle group 3 times a week
 
Phate you need to make sure you explain that your equipment is "limited" which limits the exercises you can do, and your weight that you have also provides limits.......I just wanted to clarify that.

And, yes, I do advocate sets to failure in your situation. However, like I told you the squat can be dangerous going to failure without a spotter, and if you dont have a partner, you may have to go a rep short, and then progress the next workout. And the squat and the deads should take something out of you; the mere fact that they do shows the power of the exercise.

Also since there is no Bench to do chest work, you have to resort to other exercises. If you are looking for additional advice: be clear on the equipment available to justify or explain the use of the other exercises you are doing. In addition, you do not want to over do it, and provide enough rest and recuperation


EDIT: the tricep curls are: Tricep extensions? I assume? Standing, sitting? or the laying "french press" "skull Crusher"?

Phate ITS ALL ABOUT "PROGRESSION" Progressing from one workout to the next (in weight, in reps completed, or both, in its simplistic form)
 
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Chillen said:
Phate you need to make sure you explain that your equipment is "limited" which limits the exercises you can do, and your weight that you have also provides limits.......I just wanted to clarify that.

And, yes, I do advocate sets to failure in your situation. However, like I told you the squat can be dangerous going to failure without a spotter, and if you dont have a partner, you may have to go a rep short, and then progress the next workout.
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Yep I know, i go about a couple before failure on my squats. and yes my weights and equipment is limited to a curl bar and 60 pounds in weights, but at the moment that is fine for me because those 60 pounds still challenge my muscles

But this friday i will be going to borrow some of my friends weights, so i should have a 100-120 in weights by this weekend

When i was doing my squats they weren't as hard as they used to be, going to up my squats and use the 60 pound weights for that.

And I appreciate you telling me to go to failure because i didn't realize how far I could push my body and i felt like i got a really good workout.
 
EDIT: the tricep curls are: Tricep extensions? I assume? Standing, sitting? or the laying "french press" "skull Crusher"?
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Tricep extensions
as for working my chest, push up variations is all i have for now
 
I just wanted to clarify because alot of eyes are going to see this and wonder why you are doing certain things.

When they understand that you have limited weight and equipment (at the moment), they will begin to understand why your doing certain exercises (push ups, etc)---and attempting to maximize your situation with limited resources, and this is all you can be expected to do.

Sets to Failure ABSOLUTELY---Push yourself reasonably EACH WORKOUT--ABSOLUTELY! In your situation this IS what you do.
 
Chillen said:
I just wanted to clarify because alot of eyes are going to see this and wonder why you are doing certain things.

When they understand that you have limited weight and equipment (at the moment), they will begin to understand why your doing certain exercises (push ups, etc)---and attempting to maximize your situation with limited resources, and this is all you can be expected to do.

Sets to Failure ABSOLUTELY---Push yourself reasonably EACH WORKOUT--ABSOLUTELY! In your situation this IS what you do.
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So should i stick to doing a FBW 3 times a week even though by the end i wont have the same energy to do the last workouts or should i do what i said above and and split it
 
BUMP..................
I need some help figuring out how to do this workout plan.

Here are the type of exercises i regularly do:
1. deadlift
2. Squats
3. bicep curl
4. fore arm curl --> every other day different variations ( hammer curl, reverse fore arm curl )
5. tricep curl
6. Chair dip --> every other day alternate chair dips
7. calf raises
8. weighted crunches
9 obliques
10. Pushups --> pushup variations every other day ( incline, dicline )
11. chinups/pullups ( do these earlier at school )
12. Rows ( added this in just recently )

Now, starting on Monday I took Chillen's advice and changed up my routine by doing all my sets TO FAILURE, and pushing my self to the limit. I think it was a great workout, i felt exhausted BUT i got only through around 7 exercises(squats, deadlifts, forearm curls, chair dips, bicep curls, pushups, weighted crunches, took about an hour to finish these), and even the last couple workouts i felt pretty tired, pushups was one of my last exercises and i can usually do around 60 on the first set, but was only able to do 39.

I was just bored in class today and was messing around trying to figure out a good split i might be able to do maybe..
heres one thing i came up with:

A1:
deadlift
squat
row
bicep curls
chinups/pull ups
pushups ( variations )

A2:
tricep curls
forearms curls ( variations )
calf raises
chair dips ( variations )
weighted crunches
obliques

I will be working all of these TO FAILURE
And was thinking of doing :
M: A1
T:A2
W:rest
Th:A1
F:A2
S:rest
Su:rest

So should I do a FBW 3 times a week, but then not be able to give my best the last couple of workouts or should I do a split and allow evenly distributed energy to all my workouts. And if i do a split, should i do a 4 day split or 6 day split because i'd like to work each muscle group 3 times a week
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I'd keep your fb routine. If you can't get through it and move to something less strenuous, you'll never get through it. I would build a solid one and do it until you can complete it. It won't take as long as you think to get there.

Another thing that will help is reordering your exercises. You've got bicep curls and tricep curls before chins and rows. Put those at the end and you'll have better luck.

Also, you can create two FBW's and alternate them, putting squats in one and deads in the other. I haven't had a chance to really look at the routine, but I think by reworking it a bit you can hone it so that it's doable.
 
I also agree with the FBW; however, if time and other factors prevent this, then an upper/lower split will do the purpose of your goal.
 
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