Melancholy
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none. We accept CI vs. CO, and that CI < CO = loss, opposite = gain. That is all.
The next attempt is to discuss factors influencing that, not debating that
Building upon Calories in vs Calories out
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none. We accept CI vs. CO, and that CI < CO = loss, opposite = gain. That is all.
The next attempt is to discuss factors influencing that, not debating that
Melancholy
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I really am interested in getting some real information regarding the thermic effect on the body post-workout, and how long it (relatively) lasts after said excersise.
Melancholy
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Here is something that I found:
Q: Is it true that your body continues to burn extra calories for 12 hours after you've worked out?
A: Yes. "After vigorous exercise, we've seen caloric expenditure increase for up to 48 hours," says exercise physiologist Tom R. Thomas, Ph.D., director of the exercise physiology program at the University of Missouri in Columbia. The longer and harder you work out, the greater the post-workout metabolism increase and the longer it lasts. Subjects in Thomas' research burned 600-700 calories during one hour of running at about 80 percent of their maximum heart rate. During the next 48 hours, they burned about 15 percent more calories -- 90-105 extra -- than they otherwise would have. About 75 percent of the post-workout metabolism increase occurs in the first 1 2 hours after exercise, according to Thomas.
Q: Is it true that your body continues to burn extra calories for 12 hours after you've worked out?
A: Yes. "After vigorous exercise, we've seen caloric expenditure increase for up to 48 hours," says exercise physiologist Tom R. Thomas, Ph.D., director of the exercise physiology program at the University of Missouri in Columbia. The longer and harder you work out, the greater the post-workout metabolism increase and the longer it lasts. Subjects in Thomas' research burned 600-700 calories during one hour of running at about 80 percent of their maximum heart rate. During the next 48 hours, they burned about 15 percent more calories -- 90-105 extra -- than they otherwise would have. About 75 percent of the post-workout metabolism increase occurs in the first 1 2 hours after exercise, according to Thomas.
ChefChiTown
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People are arguing about some sort of math and how it is true mathematically or not.
Nobody is arguing that at all. The real math in that equation is...
Jay Cutler = World's Biggest VAGINA
Melancholy
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People are arguing because the nomenclature is all f'ed up. People are making the assumption that calories in is anything that comes near your face... and calories out is only BMR + exercise. My point, and belief is that there is MUCH more to this equation, including thermic effect of food, post workout calorie burn, etc. etc. etc. Ice baths (haha). brown fat, on and on and on.
ChefChiTown
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Ahh, I see what you're saying. Although those factors would affect the math, it wouldn't alter the necessary balance needed in order to lose weight. Things like thermic effect of food, ice baths (etc) are nothing more than variables. As it is...
Calories In < Calories Out = Weight Loss
Calories In > Calories Out = Weight Gain
Meaning:
If a person's Calories In = 2,000 and their Calories Out = 2,250, will they lose weight or gain weight? Well, since their Calories In (2,000) is less than their Calories Out (2,250), it means that they will lose weight.
2,000 < 2,250 = Weight Loss
Calories In < Calories Out = Weight Loss
Calories In > Calories Out = Weight Gain
Now, throw in the variables (which will be simplified as "X")...
Calories In < Calories Out +/- X = Weight Loss
Calories In > Calories Out +/- X = Weight Gain
*Add X to Calories Out if X has a positive weight loss affect
*Subtract X from Calories Out if X has a negative weight loss affect
Meaning:
If a person's Calories In = 2,000 and their Calories Out = 2,250, but the variables of thermic effect, ice baths (etc) causes them to burn 500 calories less than they normally would, will they lose weight or gain weight? Well, since their Calories In (2,000) is greater than the total of their Calories Out and variables (2,250 - 500 = 1,750), it means they will gain weight.
2,000 > 1,750 = Weight Gain
Calories In < Calories Out +/- X = Weight Loss
Calories In > Calories Out +/- X = Weight Gain
The variables may affect the rate at which a person loses weight and it very well may affect, but the result of the equation must still equal one or the other (greater than or less than). And, it's the result that ultimately determines whether or not a person loses weight.
So, does the math change? Yes, slightly. But, the outcome is still a constant.
Melancholy
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exactly!!!!
So, I am interested to talk about "X" factors that have, or are helping people out there losing weight. Things that are working, and then seeing if it's possible to a) disprove it, or b) determine why said factor is causing increased weight loss for that individual.
So, I am interested to talk about "X" factors that have, or are helping people out there losing weight. Things that are working, and then seeing if it's possible to a) disprove it, or b) determine why said factor is causing increased weight loss for that individual.
Haha ain't that the truth...I gotta give some props to that 3rd stringer for, you know, actually trying.
ChefChiTown
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As soon as they put Todd Collins in, I knew I was watching the Packers in the Super Bowl. But, Hanie is someone I've liked ever since he got some playing time in preseason a few years back. I was happy to see him take over like he did. Not so happy when he threw that last pic though, SIGH.
Melancholy
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After 9.5 miles in one run this weekend, I am hoping that this week off from working out (first time in a few months, need to repair my bones haha)... that I still get some residual benifit.. anyone experience this?
Jeanette401
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I don't have my links handy (and I don't have much time this week!) but I've heard that a lot of these studies over estimate post workout calorie burn... I know I've seen varying numbers for ... the acronym is EPOC but I forget what it stays for... from like 100+ per day to 17 calories per day.