Big vs. toned: interplay between weight and # of reps?

Hi everyone,

I'd like to ask some advice. Sorry if this is long, I just want to make my question clear.

I’m an amateur who’s worked out off and on for about 20 years. I'm not driven to look like the Hulk, I just want to feel and look good. Anyway, I’m now back into it and am trying to devise an optimal programme which fits in with my schedule, i.e. each week I can spare about 4 workouts of 1 hour each. Workouts 1 & 3 will focus on, say, A, B & C. Workouts 2 & 4 will focus on D, E & F.

I’ve already identified the muscle groups I want to work on and the right exercises for them. I’ve been at it for about 6 weeks (after about 2 years of doing nothing) and am making pretty good progress – I’m lucky in that my body tends to respond pretty quickly to good workouts.

My question concerns the interplay between strength / mass-building training vs. lifting for endurance / toning.

Here’s what I understand to be generally true (if you think it's wrong, please advise me):

--A good strength / mass-building workout for a given muscle group would look something like this: following a light warm-up, do 3 sets, each with 5-7 reps of the heaviest weight you can do that many times, reaching failure or near-failure by the last 1 or 2 reps, with rest periods of 3-4 minutes between sets. Try to do the same weight each set. Makes you look big.

--At the other extreme, there is an endurance / toning training, which is the same as above, but with a weight which you can do 12-15 reps with before failure or near-failure. Makes you look more sculpted or sinewy than big.

Sometimes I get bored and mix the two styles, thinking it’ll make me both big and toned. For example, I’ll do

--Set 1, choosing a weight of, say, 100, doing 5-7 reps before failing, and then resting

-- Set 2, do 5-7 again at 100, fail, then without a rest do 3-5 more at, say, 75, and then rest

-- Set 3, do 5-7 again at 100, fail, then (all without resting) do 3-5 more at 75, fail, do 3-5 more at 55, fail, then finally go to, say, 35 and do until failure, usually about 6-9 reps. (Amazing how those “baby” weights at the end can still make your muscles burn! )

I like the challenge (makes me hear the Rocky theme in my head) but frankly don’t know enough sport science to know whether this is efficient or not. Will I achieve both mass and tone goals this way, or might this actually somehow be counterproductive? Am I getting the best return of “gain” for my investment of “pain”? One gym trainer told me he never saw any point in doing more than 15 of anything; is this valid?

Sorry again this is so long. I’d be grateful for any advice.
 
--A good strength / mass-building workout for a given muscle group would look something like this: following a light warm-up, do 3 sets, each with 5-7 reps of the heaviest weight you can do that many times, reaching failure or near-failure by the last 1 or 2 reps, with rest periods of 3-4 minutes between sets. Try to do the same weight each set. Makes you look big.
Strength and hypertrophy (mass building, are different) Half of your strength comes from hypertrophy and the other half from adaptation of the central nervous system. Strength is indeed low reps and heavy weights. You can employ 5x5, 8x3, 5 4 3 2 1... and so on. Generally I'd give abot 2 minutes inbetween sets.
Mass/Hypertrophy is best with medium reps, 8-12. Though it is true that strength can be gained while going for mass, and you can gain mass on a strength program as well.



--At the other extreme, there is an endurance / toning training, which is the same as above, but with a weight which you can do 12-15 reps with before failure or near-failure. Makes you look more sculpted or sinewy than big.
Endurance and toning is different, For endurance you'd do 3x15 or something like that with very little break time. Toning is a myth, you look tone by losing fat.

-- Set 2, do 5-7 again at 100, fail, then without a rest do 3-5 more at, say, 75, and then rest

-- Set 3, do 5-7 again at 100, fail, then (all without resting) do 3-5 more at 75, fail, do 3-5 more at 55, fail, then finally go to, say, 35 and do until failure, usually about 6-9 reps. (Amazing how those “baby” weights at the end can still make your muscles burn! )
This technique is called drop sets.
Will I achieve both mass and tone goals this way, or might this actually somehow be counterproductive? Am I getting the best return of “gain” for my investment of “pain”? One gym trainer told me he never saw any point in doing more than 15 of anything; is this valid?

You'd achieve mass, and if you decided to go on a deficit diet and lift heavy, you'd lose fat and get "toned" I don't tihnk you should do more than 15 of something, as I tihnk 3x15 30 seconds break is good enough for endurance, but you can see very nice gains while switching inbetween the three set/rep ranges.

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