Beginning afresh for the umpteenth time...

underhalfofaj

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Hello everyone,

I thought I would take the opportunity to explain a bit about myself so you can relate to my position.

I am a 26 year old man living in england. When I was growing up, my nan, whom I spent a lot of time with as a child, fed me in a destructive manner - I've since learned that the root of my eating disorder is the behaviour that I learned from those early years. I was fine with the status quo, happy with being overweight, until I left the small town I grew up in and left for university, and exposed myself to how life really is.

Over my first year of university, and it did take the whole academic year to realise, I decided that I was unhappy with being overweight. I had previously just accepted it as 'the way I was' but crucially, I was ready to find a partner and explore attachments, but I didn't feel bodily ready, or good enough, for anyone else.

During the summer after my first academic year at university, I serrupticiously started losing weight. I was embarassed at having been so stoicly 'uncaring' about my weight in the face of other people, to then shift and want to change. Over that summer, using steady, slow, light work, I lost a couple of stone.

My next year of uni allowed me to really hammer the weight loss. By this point I had done so much research I was confident enough to be a nutritionist, a gym instructor and a life coach. Unfortunately that confidence didn't last until the next academic year.

Still, during year 2 I made a lot of progress. I lost 8.5 stone in total (with temporary stones put back during christmas), bringing myself down to an average of around 13.5. That summer I once again stayed with my nan, however this time I tried as anything to get her to respect my goal and intention, and let me continue.

Unfortunately my nan, as well as many of my friends, and latterly my colleagues, found my behaviour to be dangerously obsessive - they thought I was swinging too far the other way and that there was a danger of anorexia. I know how proposterous it sounds for me to say this, but *I know* I wasn't in that place. I just have an obsessive nature altogether. I would never be any good coming off of psycotropic drugs for example.

So, during that second summer with my nan, my friends and everyone began to chip away at my resolve - and without me even knowing it, because I still felt determined when I left for my placement year - shattered it. I rededicated during the first 6 weeks of my placement, and I eventually got down to my thinnest ever since trying - 10.5 stone. But after my birthday, 6 weeks after, my resolve shattered. Since then, everytime I have rededicated myself to a plan or regime or solution or diet or exercise or schedule, it has fallen through. Sometimes after a couple of months, mostly after a week or so.

But I've reached the point where I am fed up with my failure. So I am going to make it as easy on myself as possible, to maximise the chances of staying on target. I promise herein not to beat myself up if I slip up, nor shall I forget my resolve and lose direction. I plan to adopt the same simple diet that I had researched as appropriate during my second year of university - when during this whole process I've had the most success.

Currently, I am 327 lbs and around 6 foot - I used to be 6 foot 2, and can only presume the lost height is due to spinal compression. Other things to note about me specifically is of how little relevance a BMI is to me - even the thin scale didn't seem to account for my body type. For some unknown reason, my bodie's designers intended me to be an ectomorph - hence I have a weakened back, and when I was 10.5 stone, 27" hips, but I have turned into a mesomorph.

I am not expecting specific loss immediately - knowing how I work I shall have to emplace the food and routine for exercising before I begin making any real progress, and that's ok. Slowly surely catchy monkey.

I don't know why I say that though - during my 2nd year of uni when I lost 8.5 stone, most of it was in the middle 3 months - I am capable of some fairly rapid weight gains and losses. Highlights include - when I had to eat out with work collegues morning, noon and night for 4 days about 5 years ago - and put on 2.5 stone in the process. I imagine a lot of that was water retention. Conversely, I have also lost 25 lbs in 5 days before now - I still don't know how it happened, but it did.

I welcome any questions or comments as discussion here is the fuel for change. :)
 
I don't want to get into a line of discussion where i am judging you. Its not really my business to judge what you are doing though i have worked in an eating disorder clinic and do get anxious about people who seem to be in free fall and eat almost nothing.

Just as i get anxious about people who get obsessive about the gym and seem to stop losing weight.

Its probably the control person in me.

But for all that i am curious, you've told us your height. What is your ideal weight? Maybe for someone like you, before and after pictures would be a good idea. Do you have pictures from before of when you were slim?

Are you going to document your food intake and exercise.

I wonder what a doctor says about your loss of height. The compression thing sounds unlikely to me. Two inches is a LOT of height to lose especially in a young person. What could have caused the compression?

My brother in law is very tall and skinny. He is 6 foot 3. I don't know what his weight is but his weight is quite consistent. Its impossible to imagine him being fat.
 
thank you for replying fortyfour, and I greatly appreciate your sentiments regarding judging people. To be specific about my eating disorder, I am a binger. My nan never put limits in place and never encouraged me to stop, therefore listening to my inner mechanisms that tell me this is quite hard.

Its a good point you raise via the obsessive tendancies and thats kind of what I am trying to avoid this time - I probably didn't put it that clearly, please forgive me its quite late at night lol. By not trying to make myself follow a regime rigidly - I wont be able to beat myself up later for the inevitable occasional failure - and hence - the binging to feel better (well subconsciously anyway).

I honestly couldn't tell you my ideal weight because I've never been thin long enough to to be able to tell. I didn't have time to establish an equillibrium - and this is a point I feel doctors advice starts to get a little unuseful - as I alluded to with how BMI doesn't work for me, a doctor once recommended that I should be around 12 stone. As it happened, at 12 stone I still had an unsightly paunch.

That doesn't mean to say the eventual goal is not to be around that weight; my intention as far as possible is to strip off as much fat as I can and then build lean muscle. I've read many conflicting reports about building 'fatty' muscle and its advantages and disadvantages, and I decided to concentrate on toning work whilst I was losing weight and never to bulk. This should encourage the maintaining of muscle mass, increasing energy use slightly.

I will detail my planned diet for you here if you wish. I don't have any body pictures from when I was slim no, what an amazing motivator they would have been.

As far as spinal compression, I don't know enough about medicine to know the right terms, but I have noticed that my posture has changed since I became really heavy - at one point 9 months ago i was 26 stone, that may have had a detrimental effect on the layout of my spine, and in turn, caused it to lose height. I don't know for sure - like you suggest here I think a doctors opinion would be most appropriate.

Thanks once again for taking the time to comment :)
 
Not that I've begun a diet or regime yet, I'm still preparing mentally (and I need to do shopping) but this morning I lost 1 lbs over yesterday, bringing me to 225.8 lbs. I always weigh in the mornings before breakfast as I feel this gives the most reliable result to keep track of. :)
 
Its so hard to stop down the binging path. I think when it comes to it the fact that i am now making conscious choices is better than being led around by some deep seated need to eat everything i can.

The shops are 150 yards away. But Im not going. I cant afford to anyway.
 
Well Ive made my commitment and ready to begin doing everything I can to lose weight without beating myself up - which I think is what has stopped me from getting anywhere the last times I've tried. I've ordered the food for my new diet which is the only diet I've ever lost weight on - crucially theyre all foods I enjoy but aren't particularly boring. Ive included yoghurt, walnuts, bananas and clementines as well as a fair amount of baked beans with as minimal bread as possible. Breakfast will be high fibre - probably some form of muesli or fruit and fibre. Ive decided to stick for 3 meals a day for now because Im not all that active and getting into an exericise routine is going to take time.

The food arrives late tomorrow so hopefully by the end of the coming week Ill be on track with an improved diet.
 
Its quite possible that your height loss is related to posture as you suggested which is a good thing since you can get it back. Something else to look forward to.

You know, maybe it would be a good idea to start some sort of therapy or counselling. I have had therapy and had many types of short term counselling for support over the years during. When you are struggling with stuff and you are totally on your own with it, its a good idea. If you suffer from depression, its a good idea.

With your weight loss program, just try to go easy on yourself if you slip up. Use is to remotivate yourself rather than to give up. I often find that the first two or three months are the easiest and then after that, things start to go a bit wonky. That's when i have to be particularly careful. This time, i hope to forestall ending up back where i started.

Good luck
 
thank you for your response guys :)

@fortyfour - yep, Ive had some counselling in the past and a whole well of problems I have dipped into with them - its all been remarkably constructive :) your second point is more eloquently saying what I'm trying to get across - that's whats been happening.

@Sunflower - thank you for your support :) you seem to be doing very well with your goals so congratulations on that too
 
Its a good point you raise via the obsessive tendancies and thats kind of what I am trying to avoid this time - I probably didn't put it that clearly, please forgive me its quite late at night lol. By not trying to make myself follow a regime rigidly - I wont be able to beat myself up later for the inevitable occasional failure - and hence - the binging to feel better (well subconsciously anyway).

This sounds like me.... I also consider myself a binge eater, and i feel like the other end of the spectrum is the obsessive dieting, which is the cycle I've fallen into time after time. Binge eating is so vicious because regardless of where you are and how bad you feel, the bingeing is guaranteed to make you ultimately feel worse, yet we still do it for that little bit of immediate gratification, relief, punishment, etc. I'm saying this after a month of horrible bingeing, but despite that I feel really good about where I'm heading because I have talked my mind into a better place. For one thing, as much as I hate my body at the moment, Im choosing to accept where I am now and understand that if I make the effort everyday I can change it, I've got to be patient! Also I am realizing where I went wrong every time I failed and am making sure not to follow the same path. A big thing for me now is making it a lifestyle change. Meaning Im not going to eat fruits and vegetables everyday if I don't want to. I am eating reasonable amounts of anything I like to avoid the day where I will be so frustrated and break down and eat EVERYTHING. I don't want to deprive myself of anything, because naturally thin people enjoy junk food from time to time they just know their limits. Ive noticed that when I listen to my stomach I dont want as much food as my mind thinks I want and now that I am letting myself have anything I want, I dont even want junk food as much anymore! I hope some of these ideas help you :)
 
Welcome to the forum

Your entire post talks about the past. My advise is to forget the past, it doesn't matter, history is irrelevant. People become so haunted by the past and if you look at depressed people they seem to hang out in this vapor as well....sadly there whole life. My advise is a little different.

Every day is a do-over. Today you were given a chance to wake up and make anything out of the day that you wish. What you eat today has nothing to do with yesterday.....nothing. With that said it seems silly to even think about a past diet from months ago or even years ago.

To be succesful at anything in life, including life in general, it has to do with what you do today. So I ask you; What is your plan for today?

Go out to the store and have an adventure in the produce section and don't step foot in any other part of the store. Just hang out and look at the wonderful green leafy vegetables available to you.

Pick them up, close your eyes, and smell them. That is life, enjoy it because today is all you have. If you see something you like then buy it and eat it slowly enjoying every minute of it.

I had to put my own poor eating habits behind me and that's what I did.

6 months ago I would of never thought I would enjoy eating leafy greens like I do but this morning I made a bright green smoothie in the blender and I feel energized like a 12 year old kid. I don't count calories or even weigh myself much because what's the point? Life is all about "today" it's about "right now".

I've learned that eating healthy is the ultimate drug, it fuels an already great existance. Feeling good also opens your eyes to your surroundings.

I've been through the stage of life where I counted calories. The problem is the "quality" of food doesn't matter. So even if your calories are in check you can still feel like garbage because many things are not healthy. focus on eating healthy first, this starts with leafy green vegetables.

I don't eat perfect and I'm not worried about it. Right now my weight continues to "very" slowly drop. My gut was pretty big but I still have NO lose skin. I believe it's 100% because of eating HEALTHY.

Anyhow, focus on today only. Don't give ANY thought about the past because the past wont give you any thought either. Make a plan for today and see how much greatness you can squeeze out of today.

Mike
 
yea mike - i guess the past has kind of haunted me, but im gearing up to do everything I can to make sure it happens this time, including leniency on myself as per thnkpositives post there. I know what you are saying mike, but you don't always have to view the past as a negative influence - its been bad for me insofar as I haven't made any progress yet, but its been a good learning curve. if I hadn't gone through everything I have, I wouldn't have any clue where to begin. Were talking about 5 years of my life and I refuse to consign it to pure waste.
 
yea mike - i guess the past has kind of haunted me, but im gearing up to do everything I can to make sure it happens this time, including leniency on myself as per thnkpositives post there. I know what you are saying mike, but you don't always have to view the past as a negative influence - its been bad for me insofar as I haven't made any progress yet, but its been a good learning curve. if I hadn't gone through everything I have, I wouldn't have any clue where to begin. Were talking about 5 years of my life and I refuse to consign it to pure waste.

It's not wasted, the past is your legacy. Yes, learn from it, your right. What did you learn about yourself? Did your past lay a path for you to make concrete decisions about today? By decisions I mean unwavering decisions, absolute decisions.

It's my own opinion of course but the past is history, the last five years are over. I'm not saying it's wasted, but really, the "learning from the past" part isn't part of the solution. The solution lies in change, it lies in action....something the past didn't produce. The past is also not going to produce action in the future.

If you are 327 pounds than only worry about 5 pounds. Your past has nothing to do with that. I'm willing to bet you can handle 5 pounds, in fact I know you can. Your past has nothing to do with it.

Make a list of items that's required for YOU to lose 5 pounds. The list is everything, follow it, be a person of absolute action.

Today is a great day for you, live it to the fullest.

Mike
 
So, day 1. I record a loss of 1lb since yesterday. Today I will be eating up all the bad foods I still have left (which isnt much) to make way for the healthy food coming tonight. I've also ordered some new tableware and cutlery coincidentally - anything that helps towards the fresh start, and besides I did need it.
 
Day 2. No change in weight today, need to kick up the water intake. Today will also be the first full day of diet foods, which should be good.

Today I did 20 minutes on my exercise bike compared to 15 yesterday, and I felt today I could have done another 5 minutes if I really pushed myself. still, I did about 6.3 km which isnt bad.

A note on my diet - I've decided to adopt thnkpositives' advice and I also have in reserve a stock of extra 'not quite so healthy' foods like houmous and cheese should I become hungry while I transition to my proper diet. This should forestall any binging tendancies like going down to the shops to buy 20 items worth of horrible food. Slowly surely.
 
Day 2. No change in weight today, need to kick up the water intake. Today will also be the first full day of diet foods, which should be good.

Today I did 20 minutes on my exercise bike compared to 15 yesterday, and I felt today I could have done another 5 minutes if I really pushed myself. still, I did about 6.3 km which isnt bad.

A note on my diet - I've decided to adopt thnkpositives' advice and I also have in reserve a stock of extra 'not quite so healthy' foods like houmous and cheese should I become hungry while I transition to my proper diet. This should forestall any binging tendancies like going down to the shops to buy 20 items worth of horrible food. Slowly surely.

I wouldn't stock bad food because it's bad, what's the point. It also means a lack of true commitment because you can eat it any time. The bad food is the problem, eliminate it.

That would be like quiting smoking but keeping a pack of smokes around just in case I can't get through the day. Make the decision to quite and you don't need to keep the smokes around.

Today is a fresh day. If you make it the entire day eating healthy then you won. PERIOD.....you are a winner. When tomorrow comes it comes, just be prepared to be a winner.

Yesterday I ate very well, I one the day, I was the winner. Today I plan on doing the same.

Commit yourself to winning. Eliminate bad food until one day when you can manage the emotions you can handle it.

I never understood the advice of eating bad once in a while as a treat to yourself, it's not a treat, it's bad for you. I think that's poor advice. If it's bad it's bad, learn to control emotions and the bad food doesn't matter.

Most problems in life happen because of lack of decisions. Make the decision to get through ONE day eating healthy. Then the next, then the next, then the next..........
 
Mike,

I feel that we are people so different that we will not find a reasonable common ground. You are trying to dissuade me into your route or methodology by saying that mine is wrong - and yes, I know the rules of the board, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this is a public diary so you may comment, but a few times now I have felt that your sentiments are contrary to something which is positive for me.

Im sorry that I have to do so, because you seem genuinely interested to help, but I must ask you politely, without sarcasm or any other malice to discontinue your interest in my Diary. Im sure you can appreciate that sometimes, peoples views just don't help each other.

The notion of chucking out all bad foods and being exacting with my diet and regime is exactly what has lead me to fall down in the past. I cannot ignore a pattern that I have seen; I must work with it to achieve some success. Since I know there are times when my binging attitude will rear its ugly head, I would rather keep a small stock of slightly-less-better-for-you foods than buying awful foods (not to mention spending the money) and putting me even further behind.

Maybe this logic doesn't work for many people, I don't know. But differences make the world an interesting place.
 
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